Housing too expensive

DannyLV702 · January 2017

I may buy the 4 mill house as soon as it's released just so I know I have it and you don't

Sigtric · January 2017

I went from about 90k total (across all toons) to almost 500k total in just a couple of weeks recently, just be actually taking a few minutes every day to update my guild trader listings, and sell trash to vendors instead of destroying it to free up space immediately.

I think house pricing is good.

Elsonso · January 2017

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

The high rollers of ESO will be the ones with Manors, as it should be with an economy based system.

I can afford a manor, but none of them really look like what I want. I have my eye on something smaller, but in a better location, and also much cheaper. No way am I saying which one because, like, y'all will want it too!

Wolfkeks · January 2017

I'm poor and I'm proud of it!!

Nah, I think prices are okay, yep not everyone can get the mansion, but everyone can at least buy something

There is a house for everyone

Darkestnght · January 2017

I am sick and tired of ESO being so out of touch with reality. I am loosing my faith that this game will ever become what I thought it might be.

This game is really starting get on my nerves.

cyberjanet · January 2017

So far I have saved around 1/4 of the price of the largest houses but my aim is to get one: not for myself, but as a guild house. I don't see that a player needs one just for themselves.

bryanhaas · January 2017

ereboz wrote: »

The best houses obviously need to cost a bit, but 3 mil gold? I have 60k on a good day, how the hell are normal people that don't play 100+ hours a week supposed to come up with that kind of gold?

If everyone could afford it then it would have no significance. I do hope the crown version is significantly expensive. Currently I am only at 1.1 mil so I have a ways to go but I think I can in about a month get the funds. Just using the guild traders anyone can get tons of gold with limited play time you just have to put forth the effort to learn the system.

bryanhaas · January 2017

Danikat wrote: »

The most gold I've ever had at once was 20,500. Right now I have 5,000g. And I think house prices are fine.

Yes the 3 most expensive ones in the entire game cost an absurd amount of money. But there are over 30 others which are much cheaper. The apartments cost less than a horse.

If you only want one of the 3mil mansions then save up. Yes it's probably going to take a long time, but at least it's not like real life where you've got to afford food and rent and if something breaks unexpectedly you need to dip into your savings because you can't live without it.

I suspect the fact that "normal people" can't afford the most expensive houses right away is exactly what they intended. It gives those who have been saving for years something to spend it on, those who haven't something to work towards and in the process it removes large amounts of gold from the economy, thus reducing inflation.

Problem with inflation is it is due to counterfeit funds ie: Gold sellers. Granted that is not exactly counterfeit but ore or less achieves the same result. For any hope of inflation to be railed in they need to do something to curb the gold selling.

bryanhaas · January 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

The issue with the game is that the economy is not an equal playing field.

If you belong to a guild that can sell to the community, then you have a chance of making Gold, if your not (about 90% of the community) then you don't.

Then join a guild? 5k or 10k dues per week is a pittance once you learn to sell and until then there are lower cost guilds. I also have people in my guild that don't deal with the market so they sell all their things to me at half the price I list it for. I make sure to tell them exactly what is going to happen so they know how much money they are giving up.

SirAndy · January 2017

ereboz wrote: »

Housing too expensive

Nope, i think the pricing is spot on!

When they announced the housing patch i had about 200k in my bank. So i went and sold/traded some stuff because i was expecting the extra large castles to cost well into the millions. And it wasn't actually at all that hard to get the coin saved up.

All the homes (except the 3 castles) should be within reach of pretty much any player that has been around for a few weeks.

DaniAngione · January 2017

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am sick and tired of ESO being so out of touch with reality. I am loosing my faith that this game will ever become what I thought it might be.

This game is really starting get on my nerves.

Just like real life, there are huge, multi-billion islands or houses that we can't afford.

There are cheaper big houses that some people can afford.

There are small houses that most of us can afford.
And there's even free housing!

I don't get your point. They're being very thoughtful.
Just like not everyone is meant to be emperor, not everyone is meant to own a manor

Edit:
Just in case that looked super elitist,
I was being ironic

Edit 2:
I do like the prices, though.

FINALLY A REASON to save up my money.

bryanhaas · January 2017

Recremen wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I'm fine with houses being expensive, but I don't fully agree with that mentality "you have to work for it". Yes, you have to work for it as long the work you are doing is somehow fun, since this is a game that you play when you don't have to work IRL, heh.

Hence I'd like to see more valuable (=gold) rewards in end game pve and pvp. It's very boring to just grind for gold. A lot of people log in and just have the time to do some pledges or play some pvp.

I could never argue with this. I don't currently do PvE endgame, but I absolutely thrive in PvP endgame and it's honestly quite rubbish in terms of rewards. The changes they're making to town capture bags might help with this, they really seem to be putting in the effort, but the issue is going to be that the good rewards (which you can then either use or sell to other players) are all doled out with seemingly pure RNG. That keeps the prices high, of course, since if you could just buy the good thing outright then it would sell for crap, but it also means that there's a strong probability that some folks just won't get anything good to use/sell, even if they're spending millions of AP on bags. I think a significant increase in Rewards For The Worthy gold would help out more and be a bit more reliable, but who knows.

What about the tel var sacks? Alchemy reagents should be able to fetch a decent amount of gold. Although if you are on PC not sure how your market is with them.

Voxicity · January 2017

House prices are 100% on point

bryanhaas · January 2017

cwy wrote: »

My plan to earn lots of gold is steal and fence things for a month or two. Steal only items worth 100g or more. Max the appropriate skills in Legerdemain and Thieves Guild so you can fence 140 items a day for 10% above cost. 140 items x 100g per item x 110% = 15400g per day. x 30 = 462000g per month. About 1 million in two months, or even more depending on how many 250g items you get. So it's kind of doable. The question is how many hours it would take to steal 140 items worth 100g each, because I haven't tried it yet. If it takes too much time it is probably not worth it. And most items are 40g only. In most houses, inns, mansion, etc., I usually find 2 to 5 100g items each (let's say average 3.5 items per place), spending about 5 minutes every time. To get 140 items, I would have to visit 140 / 3.5 = 40 such places. x 5 min = 200 minutes. Over 3 hours a day. Still a big chore.

Dark brotherhood daily assassination thing from the speaker has tons to steal actually, doing writs might be more profitable though but not as fun.

Epona222 · January 2017

I like it that accumulating gold now has a purpose other than to sit on a pile of money and roll around in it giggling.
I now have stuff to save up for and I'm looking forward to that.

Ghettokid · January 2017

Prices are fine. I did 400k in 5 days and that was my first time ever selling on guild trader so its not too hard to make money. So I think its not too hard to get even those big houses. And atleast on ps4 its pretty easy to get in to good trading guild. People are advertising their guilds on chat all the time.

alephthiago · January 2017

carlystclair_ESO wrote: »

I can certainly tell the difference between the liberals and the conservatives in these comments.

How? Lol
I just think when something is that fine tuned we need to be happy.
Looks like they did their research on how much money most players have before pricing those houses.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

For sure the manors are designed with a guild house idea.

Basically the weekly money some guild require for bids will go into a gold sink for houses.

I'd expect to see larger guilds but all manors and attune some crafting stations as well as assistants.

If that is the case, and I totally see your point, wouldn't the next "obvious" addition to Homesteads be to allow Trade Guilds to set up a permanent Trade Kiosk within their Homestead?

I am sure some Trade Guilds manage to get the same pitch all the time, but as guilds change some may find themselves moving around, and from both a seller and a buyers point of view a know point of sale location is always better.

All The Best

@Gandrhulf_Harbard
I have to retract this comment.
24 person max doesn't really say Guild house so.....

IDK

xXSilverDragonXx · January 2017

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

The high rollers of ESO will be the ones with Manors, as it should be with an economy based system.

But what about the people who don't spend time being high rollers but on their skills, builds, etc.

I will invoke the Deltia example again. He is IMO a very skilled player who spends a lot of time helping others by sharing what he learns, knows and understands. He will be doing this again as soon as the PTS goes live. I however will be checking out housing, messing around with crafting and master writs while I await his word on builds and what his recommendations are for ones of his that I have used. I profit in two ways here. I profit from his hard work and I profit from my own focus on money. True capitalism at its finest. And there are other players just like Deltia, not as well known, but they help others in guilds or their friends. And then there are the ones who aren't Deltia's but that is how they play a game, not to amass a fortune but for the combat, the builds, the non gold related stuff. It feels to me like that subset is being penalized a bit with the price tags.

To me, I find the houses actually cheaper than I expected but again, I was really only thinking of myself at the time. Now that we have actual prices, I can see how this would be a bit of a downer to the gamers who have not played the market but have played the combat. The game should allow for that I feel. I guess it sounds socialist to some despite me clearly being a capitalist with a mini fortune. But again, I don't sit here and just think about me. I'd be liberal scum to many, and I don't particularly care. I think it would be nice if hardcore gamers who don't waste time on making piles of gold like me, especially those who have helped me learn how to build and play my toons, could afford a nice large home at bare minimum. Again, that's probably just me. I guess people like me will have to be the benefactors of people like Deltia as a thank you for the help they have given us. Funny that it's just the same in the game as it is in real life.

Bryanonymous · January 2017

If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.

Ethyarion · January 2017

Coming soon, Crown Store Mortgage!

For only 2500 crowns a month for a 12 month agreement. Fail to keep up the payments and Orsimer bailiffs repossess your home.

Kidding......I hope

cwy · January 2017

bryanhaas wrote: »

cwy wrote: »

My plan to earn lots of gold is steal and fence things for a month or two. Steal only items worth 100g or more. Max the appropriate skills in Legerdemain and Thieves Guild so you can fence 140 items a day for 10% above cost. 140 items x 100g per item x 110% = 15400g per day. x 30 = 462000g per month. About 1 million in two months, or even more depending on how many 250g items you get. So it's kind of doable. The question is how many hours it would take to steal 140 items worth 100g each, because I haven't tried it yet. If it takes too much time it is probably not worth it. And most items are 40g only. In most houses, inns, mansion, etc., I usually find 2 to 5 100g items each (let's say average 3.5 items per place), spending about 5 minutes every time. To get 140 items, I would have to visit 140 / 3.5 = 40 such places. x 5 min = 200 minutes. Over 3 hours a day. Still a big chore.

Dark brotherhood daily assassination thing from the speaker has tons to steal actually, doing writs might be more profitable though but not as fun.

Those Sacrament missions can only be done once a day, and they yield about 10-15 green/blue stolen items, not enough to achieve 140 such items per day. So thieving seems to be only way to continuously earn large amount of gold, other than selling to trade guilds which I don't plan on doing. Writs can only be done once a day also. Questing is a *pathetic* way to earn gold. The short quests don't pay enough, and the long ones take too long. You spend hours only to get 500 gold or whatever at the end, whereas I can steal 5 green items in a few minutes. Besides, I completed most of the quests and already got the hero achievement. Killing random enemies and animals yield potentially useful items that I don't want to sell. (Btw, why can't enemies have unusable blue/green items too?) So again, stealing is the only way.

silky_soft · January 2017

None for ap. So I be going to crown store.

Prices are fine though

Betheny · January 2017

Crown prices can't be too expensive, as there's no way to buy 15,000 Crown Packs or whatever, you'd need to buy three lots of 5500 Crown Packs and you have to do that one by one, each transaction separately, which is a massive hassle and very offputting.

Also if they charged large amounts of Crowns for houses then went and sold huge Crown Packs people would stop to notice just how much they were really spending...on a virtual house...that nobody can see is yours from the outside so you can't stand on your balcony hurling mudballs at the passing peasants or anything great like that to show your mastery of the population...

Recremen · January 2017

bryanhaas wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I'm fine with houses being expensive, but I don't fully agree with that mentality "you have to work for it". Yes, you have to work for it as long the work you are doing is somehow fun, since this is a game that you play when you don't have to work IRL, heh.

Hence I'd like to see more valuable (=gold) rewards in end game pve and pvp. It's very boring to just grind for gold. A lot of people log in and just have the time to do some pledges or play some pvp.

I could never argue with this. I don't currently do PvE endgame, but I absolutely thrive in PvP endgame and it's honestly quite rubbish in terms of rewards. The changes they're making to town capture bags might help with this, they really seem to be putting in the effort, but the issue is going to be that the good rewards (which you can then either use or sell to other players) are all doled out with seemingly pure RNG. That keeps the prices high, of course, since if you could just buy the good thing outright then it would sell for crap, but it also means that there's a strong probability that some folks just won't get anything good to use/sell, even if they're spending millions of AP on bags. I think a significant increase in Rewards For The Worthy gold would help out more and be a bit more reliable, but who knows.

What about the tel var sacks? Alchemy reagents should be able to fetch a decent amount of gold. Although if you are on PC not sure how your market is with them.

@bryanhaas

First, I'd like to say that the Tel Var sacks were an absolutely fantastic addition, and are sure to guarantee a slightly higher constant stream of Imperial City players since you're always going to need more consumables.

Tel Var Stones, however, are not Alliance Points, and the vast majority of PvP rewards (by several actual orders of magnitude) come from AP. Even PvP players/guilds don't go to Imperial City to gank stones off of people for the most part. We mostly go there with the intent to farm the PvE mobs, same as anyone else, we just happen to be able to also get them from players more often on the rare chance we cross paths. It's not exactly lucrative, either, you're better off just farming.

Artis · January 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Just another entitlement thread where someone feels they deserve everything handed to them. You can't have the manor because you don't play the merchant game. Get over it. It's like if everyone believed they deserved to become emperor.

Wait? You mean we can't have tokens drop in dungeons so we can exchange them for houses of our choice? Because getting gold for all of them takes a lot of time and so many people still won't have them even thought they want them.

xXSilverDragonXx wrote: »

I've saved up plenty, over 6 million so this is not about me that I write this for because I'm not an all about me kind of selfish jerk.

Last night I was watching Deltia's stream on the update and he said he didn't have enough gold to buy the million gold homes jokingly and people throw money at him all the time (which I believe). This astounded me until I gave it some serious thought and recognized that there are gamers like deltia who spent a fortune on best gear, on builds, on the combat gaming aspect that don't have money to waste on a manse or even large house because it all goes into playing the combat/strategy non financial aspect of the game. Then there are those that do the financial aspect and have tons of money to spend on whatever manse we desire. So really, it's not particularly fair.

Sure I have over 6mil g and have only been playing since summer but I spent minimum gold on golding stuff (which can be a mini forutune if you have multiple toons). I get my builds from people who spend fortunes on them. I play the market and make my gold there, spend a lot of time doing that in game, more than most I suspect. So honestly, I don't think this is fair. People can say oh go make it and save it, but I for one don't want to see deltia or any gamer who likes to focus on the gaming more than the gold stop doing that because they would like a house. In the case of deltia, that would mean when he plays, if he has something to share we wouldn't see it because he would be making gold. We won't see his streams if we want to because he would be making gold. All because houses do come with the kind of price tag where you would have to give up that to do this making gold thing.

I feel like they should be scaled back a bit to realize just because you play this game a lot doesn't mean you spent much of that time amassing a fortune. You might be doing builds, dungeons, trials, pvp - anything that doesn't generate you tens of thousands and might more likely cost you all the money you get to keep up with update changes, top gear, pots for combat, etc.I feel like they should have taken that into consideration when the did this.

Yes, listen to this! To get such massive amounts of gold one needs to particularly spend time making gold instead of playing the game. So instead of doing content - we are forced to grind. It's kinda sad. If I had active subscription I would most definitely unsub for the period it takes to make gold to buy all houses - and yes, it's not optional for achievement hunters for whom one of the goals of the game is to get every single title and achievement. I don't pay sub because I buy DLCs, but was going to sub if I need to so I can place more items in my houses. However, after seeing the price I am now absolutely sure I will not sub as long as I have to grind. Who would pay real money for the "pleasure" of doing the same non-challenging thing again and again?

And I came to the thread to say that it's fine that houses are priced that way because it gives you something to work forward. But the quoted post changed my opinion a little. Indeed, it's not the best design.

Beware13 wrote: »

Learn to work the market. It's just like any other aspect of the game you can "get good" at. I don't play as much as I use to but I still average a couple of million in the bank from keeping items listed in the traders.

PVG (Player Versus Gold) is something everyone can learn. Make gold by farming, by buying low and selling high or by selling your rewards of the worthy. @Blobsky has a money making guide and videos about trading, go check them out.

If you are on PC you should not complain about making money because you literally have addons that will help you search guild traders for items making it easier to buy and relist.

The manors that are 3.8 million will reward those players that have been on the game for a long time, not casuals or new players. There so many things in the game that now cater to casuals and/or people who don't have a lot of time put in. Yes I do contribute the amount of money I have somewhat to having 3000+ hours on the game but I would be highly disappointed if the manors were anything less. It's something to work toward. I consider it end-game material almost, it should be out of reach for some and obtainable by those who work for it.

Ehh yes, we do follow his guide etc. The point is, that you will need to spend A LOT of time doing just that - making gold: farming, going through pages of guild stores to see if there are any good deals, etc. It's not fun at all, but also it's not guaranteed that you'll be lucky to find something or maybe somebody visited that store just a minute before you ported to it.
It's fine that some time has to be spent, but in this case we are talking about absolutely unreasonable amount of time. Like, one will need to just make gold for months or years to get those titles/achievements. It's not like you're progressing to complete vmol or get a hm there - that's fun and is actually playing the game. But this....

That being said, I'm fine with prices. As in, I don't feel entitled to anything and it's fine that it can take time. I'm just suggesting you reconsider prices. They might discourage a lot of people to pay, because we will really need to take a break from actually playing and spend time farming gold, which is not playing the game - as in it's not ESO-specific. Buying things, grinding resources - pffft. That's not ESO, that could be any game. At least make the crown price reasonable so that people will have an alternative. But seriously, if they cost too much gold and crowns, then it's leaving no choice to some players - we'll have to take a break and grind or quit the game. It's just sad. One more update that makes me feel like ZOS just hates me and doesn't want me to play and have fun. I don't understand why, I didn't do anything wrong.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · January 2017

Ethyarion wrote: »

Coming soon, Crown Store Mortgage!

For only 2500 crowns a month for a 12 month agreement. Fail to keep up the payments and Orsimer bailiffs repossess your home.

Kidding......I hope

We can confirm there will not be a mortgage or upkeep fee you need to spend on player housing on ESO. Once you buy the house, it's yours.

waitwhat · January 2017

I know there's a discussion on the gold prices, but how many crowns will these manors cost us?

DragonBound · January 2017

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Omg, after reading some of the posts above I have a feeling that many people have huge problems with distinguishing a game from a reality.

"Synonym of luxury"? "Houses are expensive"? Really? Get back to earth people.

Yes, houses are expensive in real life but in the game they are considered as content which should be affordable for everyone. If most people can afford to buy only a small hut, there is no content to them.

And since most people, who will buy a mansion, will surely use their crowns, then these mansions may indeed be a synonym of luxury...

Exactly who the hek are these people? Do they live in moon caves above the earth and laugh at the little people? I am sorry but they are acting completely childish over a video game.

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

Its on purpose to not release this patch where everyone can get everything the first week. Its a way to make the game last I guess. I know you can get one apartment for free and you could start with bying the cheapest one. Its also nice that the houses are account bound and yours for the rest of your life once bought. I also think there will come DLC with additional houses.