PATCH NOTES V.1.1 Inc. Craglorn - From PTS
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I have to laugh when people say this promotes zerging, or that promotes zerging. The truth is large scale PvP promotes zerging. No amount of nerfing, buffing, or fixing is going to get rid of the zerg. It's the nature of this style of PvP.
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh when people say this promotes zerging, or that promotes zerging. The truth is large scale PvP promotes zerging. No amount of nerfing, buffing, or fixing is going to get rid of the zerg. It's the nature of this style of PvP.
Their intent was the majority zerg, but any playstyle could find action. Including smaller groups or solo. Which is certainly possible as it is.
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smosti✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Everyone, please remember that these notes are specifically for the PTS, and are not the same notes you'll see on the live server. It's very likely that items will be edited and/or added in between the time it's being tested on the PTS, and when it will be available for everyone to play.
So will this be a ghost patch or will the entire patch sheet be view able when the patch is running?0 -
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Tarokor✭drakuel1ub17_ESO wrote: »Nice... Finally a real patch up to PTS... Even if half of this gets through successful I am a happy customer.. This is what we need real underlying fixes.. I hope the PTS testers really test and give the development team even more to chew on during this test..
I want to see a ton more testing and fixing done on Nightblade/Vampire/Werewolf skill lines and passives.. Please use Mods with your feedback to show them what is happening in real time.
Just one problem with this, how the friggin hell, are these supposed to be tested fixed and the fixes tested when they will be on the pts for less than 10 days
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jhmcclellan3_ESOSoul ShrivenMalediktus wrote: »
I never played Rift, but I think GW2 is splitting between PvE, WvW/PvP. WoW is doing it too I thinkRagnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Rift said thats what they would do when the game launched but they did blanket adjustments, so I think thats a myth.Malediktus wrote: »
Good choice. The majority of the players are PVE players. Imagine the outrage if they would balance around Cyrodiil. The only way to make both happy would be to split the skills (making skills have seperate properties in Cyrodiil and in PvE)Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
I haven't played GW2 in a few months, but PVP (battleground style) was separate, but PVE and WVW used the same gear, skills, and so on. That's why I assume Zenimax is taking a similar approach. They will, no doubt, have to make adjustments as time goes on, but the game is only a little over a month old.
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Kililin✭✭✭✭darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh when people say this promotes zerging, or that promotes zerging. The truth is large scale PvP promotes zerging. No amount of nerfing, buffing, or fixing is going to get rid of the zerg. It's the nature of this style of PvP.
Their intent was the majority zerg, but any playstyle could find action. Including smaller groups or solo. Which is certainly possible as it is.
It promotes the stupidest stack and turtle zerg tactics and prevents small group tactics to have a chance vs. them.
Thats the problem.
And it becomes a pure game of numbers, with "intelligent" heals targeting the most damaged players and AoE's only damaging a few of the zerg members.
No possibility to assist vs a large group of people makes it even worse, no ui method, no calling out in TS possible.1 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭And unless I browsed over it...no rapid gear decay fix.
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Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »And unless I browsed over it...no rapid gear decay fix.
Unless this doesnt cover it:
Reduced the amount of item durability loss while in group combat situations (such as dungeons.)
You browsed over it.
Edited by Auric_ESO on May 17, 2014 7:51PM"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba1 -
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No, they haven't acknowledged the problem at all.Zershar_Vemod wrote: »And unless I browsed over it...no rapid gear decay fix.
One thousand gold per hour, solo, not dying, in repair costs is, according to Zenimax "working as intended".
Vote with your wallets, Zenimax has the most punitive gear decay system in the history of gaming and is evidently proud of it. Why they chose this, of all stupid ideas, to distinguish themselves? Good question.4 -
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✭To be fair, this is before the gear decay discussion really took off. Let's give them one last chance to have added a fix for all gameplay scenarios, not just grouped gameplay, by the time the patch goes live.0 -
spriggsub17_ESOSoul ShrivenWith these changes the game should almost be ready to move out of beta testing and go LIVE! Oh, wait...2
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Corithna✭✭✭✭✭It is concerning and disturbing to me that members of our PTS group feel the inclination to usurp Zenimax's authority by posting these notes on live prior to their own official release of notes that are intended for public consumption. This is a betrayal of trust. Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released.Edited by ZOS_JasonI on May 18, 2014 12:38AMFor all the millions of pages of codified law we have enacted in this nation alone, all of it, every word, sentence, paragraph and nuance, is steeped in the singular idea of this:
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Bangstin✭✭✭It is concerning and disturbing to me that members of our PTS group feel the inclination to usurp Zenimax's authority by posting these notes on live prior to their own official release of notes that are intended for public consumption. This is a betrayal of trust. Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released.
Please, mods have even commented in this topic without closing it. And afaik they will open pts soonish to public anyways.Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released.
This is also just an opinion.
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Corithna✭✭✭✭✭It is concerning and disturbing to me that members of our PTS group feel the inclination to usurp Zenimax's authority by posting these notes on live prior to their own official release of notes that are intended for public consumption. This is a betrayal of trust. Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released. @Moonraker and @MorHawk you have done nothing here save hurt the overall relationship between the PTS membership and Zenimax.
Please, mods have even commented in this topic without closing it. And afaik they will open pts soonish to public anyways.Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released.
This is also just an opinion.
You're right this is my opinion, I never said otherwise. And I stand by what I've written here.For all the millions of pages of codified law we have enacted in this nation alone, all of it, every word, sentence, paragraph and nuance, is steeped in the singular idea of this:
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Please, mods have even commented in this topic without closing it. And afaik they will open pts soonish to public anyways.
They did comment and had no issues with it being posted and they are opening the PTS up to the general public as soon as they can. So it's quite disconcerting to see someone throwing a tantrum over it.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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I am not sure why you felt the need to post in such a moralising tone. A few things you may have considered before doing so;It is concerning and disturbing to me that members of our PTS group feel the inclination to usurp Zenimax's authority by posting these notes on live prior to their own official release of notes that are intended for public consumption. This is a betrayal of trust. Regardless of anyone's opinion concerning the specifics of the non disclosure agreement as to if this is technically permissible under such. The obvious intent was to have notes for our testing group only until such time as they were released.
1. As with other PTS Patch Notes beforehand, the Patch Notes were posted on other sites soon after being posted. This was merely making these available to players on the official ESO forum directly so they could be discussed here also. It appears from the 47.1K views and 414 comments that it was of great interest to members.
2. Before posting these I checked directly on the Psijic Order section to check there was no NDA in place which was confirmed in this post (copied here for context as others can't see it)
I actually noted this on the OP if you check and I was very careful to mark the post as requested regarding PTS status and subject to change, which was not the case elsewhere.ZOS_AmeliaR admin
April 25 Staff Post
....is correct, you are not under an NDA when testing Craglorn on PTS. That being said, as was the case prior to launch, if you decide to share content from the latest PTS build, please make sure to mark it appropriately, so as to avoid confusion with the Live build and any unintended spoilers
This was confirmed also even directly in this post (not accessible for non PTS) which you can check directly but I wont post here.
3. Matt Firror in his recent state of the game article even referred directly to the PTS Patch Notes after they were posted and they have not been posted elsewhere (from memory the article changed a bit as it initially talked about them being posted sometime);
sourceAs you may have seen from the patch notes on PTS (Update 1 has been available to our PTS players for a week), the first update contains much more than just Craglorn, our first Adventure Zone. It also contains lots of tweaks and bug fixes above and beyond what we’ve been doing on the live servers. Keep in mind that the PTS patch notes aren’t final—more changes will be made as we continue testing.
4. As others have mentioned, ZOS staff have posted to this thread and could have removed them at any time had they deemed it appropriate.
Beyond that, why, given that you feel so strongly that things on PTS section should be kept there, do you feel the need to post this comment here and not there is beyond me. And given that this thread was posted 24 days ago, I also struggle to understand why you bring this up now with the Update 1 going live any day now.
Finally, given that the Community Rules are clear on Naming and Shaming you may want to consider removing those references and hopefully you can see that this thread was made with good intent after careful checking of the situation.
p.s. It has already been confirmed that once this Update 1 goes live, future testing should be open to everyone on the PTS which was a great decision by ZOS in my opinion. And all such notes will be publicly available right away.Edited by ZOS_JasonI on May 18, 2014 12:42AM2 -
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No, they haven't acknowledged the problem at all.Zershar_Vemod wrote: »And unless I browsed over it...no rapid gear decay fix.
One thousand gold per hour, solo, not dying, in repair costs is, according to Zenimax "working as intended".
Vote with your wallets, Zenimax has the most punitive gear decay system in the history of gaming and is evidently proud of it. Why they chose this, of all stupid ideas, to distinguish themselves? Good question.
Yup, this is the issue I have and I got more than 1k gold at some points, I started running around naked and did virtually all of Coldharbour and the end of the main quest line naked with no problems and only died a few times. I'm not even grouped 99% of the time in TESO, so all this "..while you're in a group..." talk means nothing to me honestly.
Very sad the main issue is not getting a fix soon...
Had a live chat with an agent the other day, I want to believe they cared when I told them about how I get decay from pretty much any and no hit combat, and traveling to a player (lost 50% to decay for just traveling to a teammate). And this is occurring on all my characters, not just my main...
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What's done is done. I stand behind what I have said 100%. I wish you well in your future endeavors. I hope one day that you come to realize what has transpired here today.For all the millions of pages of codified law we have enacted in this nation alone, all of it, every word, sentence, paragraph and nuance, is steeped in the singular idea of this:
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No, they haven't acknowledged the problem at all.Zershar_Vemod wrote: »And unless I browsed over it...no rapid gear decay fix.
One thousand gold per hour, solo, not dying, in repair costs is, according to Zenimax "working as intended".
Vote with your wallets, Zenimax has the most punitive gear decay system in the history of gaming and is evidently proud of it. Why they chose this, of all stupid ideas, to distinguish themselves? Good question.
2 levels. Grinding ww levels. Went 45 to a hair under 47.
1500g total repairs. I have more fun running with friends in lower areas with my VR toons who dont get repair bills there.0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Yes and still what he says apply's to the OPnes of DK
I really, really cant understand that they are buffing a lot of attacks of DK
And nerf templar ressing, healing.. And dont increase dmg of some spells..
ZoS are blind ??!?!?! DK do not need buffed, they need nerfed, to be more EXACTLY THE FREAKING PILAR ULTIMATE that they can use every 20 seconds
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Akhratos✭✭✭✭Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Yes and still what he says apply's to the OPnes of DK
I really, really cant understand that they are buffing a lot of attacks of DK
And nerf templar ressing, healing.. And dont increase dmg of some spells..
ZoS are blind ??!?!?! DK do not need buffed, they need nerfed, to be more EXACTLY THE FREAKING PILAR ULTIMATE that they can use every 20 seconds
Its not the dk (and its a standard, not a pilar) ultimate. Its the stupid no-soft-cap for Ultimate reduction and Ultimate gain wich make the mechanics stupidly unbalanced.
Its the same for the Vamp ults, for the standard, and for all of the ultimate because the thing is, they shouldnt be meant to be spammed like every 5 secs.
Put a soft-cap of them. Dont let people spam the ultimate so easy. Done.
And in the other hand, I hope they buff the heavy armor tree, because I play a DK with 2handed and 7/7 Heavy, and really, pisses me off Im almost forced to go light and become one of the hated OP DK if I want to be somewhat strong (and Im not only talking about pvp) because the Heavy armor and melee skills are so absurdly bad.0 -
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✭So the PTS is a misnomer since the 'public' isn't able to participate, unlike other MMOs where the PTS is open to all the PUBLIC.
If something is by invitation only it's not 'public'.Edited by KerinKor on May 19, 2014 1:53PM3 -
Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭So the PTS is a misnomer since the 'public' isn't able to participate, unlike other MMOs where the PTS is open to all the PUBLIC.
If something is by invitation only it's not 'public'.
Depends on your definition of pts. Public test server. Private. Patch
In any case zos has confirmed in future major patches it will be available to all testers during the testing phase only. That is thier goal anyway. They didn't actually promise it"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0 -
McWop✭✭darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »I have to laugh when people say this promotes zerging, or that promotes zerging. The truth is large scale PvP promotes zerging. No amount of nerfing, buffing, or fixing is going to get rid of the zerg. It's the nature of this style of PvP.
Their intent was the majority zerg, but any playstyle could find action. Including smaller groups or solo. Which is certainly possible as it is.
It promotes the stupidest stack and turtle zerg tactics and prevents small group tactics to have a chance vs. them.
Thats the problem.
And it becomes a pure game of numbers, with "intelligent" heals targeting the most damaged players and AoE's only damaging a few of the zerg members.
No possibility to assist vs a large group of people makes it even worse, no ui method, no calling out in TS possible.
Yeah, if you see a turtle zerg, pull out a siege weapon with 3-4 buddies and wipe the entire zerg.
Shocker, the counter for zerging is the weapons provided to you in PvP2 -
spriggsub17_ESO wrote: »With these changes the game should almost be ready to move out of beta testing and go LIVE! Oh, wait...
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Apparently. what it takes is finding exploits that you keep to yourselves and giving biased feedback to protect whatever unbalanced thing you plan to use on live.
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LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭Nice going, buff the DK and and still not fixing nb and ww. Well if you can't beat em, join em. I said if they didn't fix it I am rolling a DK. We will see after the release.........I think this is the first time I am really irritated.
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