Goodbye, Nefas

dcam86b14_ESO · September 2023

Im sorry but never heard of this person. What's going on?

RaikaNA · September 2023

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@RaikaNA offering carries is a perfectly valid and sensible way for trials guilds to make gold. Why on earth would they ban someone for that? Absolutely ridiculous notion.

Not when it starts creating unsolicited spam in zone (you see a lot of it in Craglorn). This isn't a gold simulation game. This game isn't all about how much gold you make... It's about doing content.. whether it be PvE or PvP. If you want gold.. farm for motifs that people want or farm for raw materials. If you go on YouTube and type in "How to make gold in ESO" you'll get tons of videos from content creators on how to make gold in the game.

Selling carries is not perfectly valid. It encourages laziness and it certainly defeats the purpose of doing the actual content.

I have cleared most trial HMs and have most trifectas (working on ones I missed when I took a year off). I've certainly bought gear carries before, even though I can clear the content.

I also participate in them as a raider. Using carry gold to buy more carries LOL.

There's lots of reasons people might buy a carry. Getting 12 sets of drops instead of one is by far the most common, especially for people with deep pockets but limited playtime.

It defeats the purpose of learning about the trial and understanding the mechanics. I get it.. you don't want to keep farming for gear.. I get it, but this is an MMORPG game.. and these kinds of games are quite notorious for grinding.. It's part of the game to keep players busy playing the game.

I still remember how proud I was for pulling through and finally getting my burning spellweave inferno staff from grinding City of ass.. I mean Ash after doing 100s of endless runs. I've never asked nor offered any money to buy the staff from anyone. This was before the stickerbook era too. I also did the same with getting my Kinras's Wrath's daggers.. I don't pay for carries because I want to enjoy what the content can offer me.

I understand that some people have limited playtime.. but if you don't have time to play the content.. do you really need that trial skin if you don't put enough time and effort into doing the content? I have 2 trial skins... 1 from vMoL and the other Sunspire. The vMOL skin took me 4 months to get from progressive runs...

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If you are never going to buy or sell carries, they do not affect you. At all. I can count on one finger the number of times someone tried to use clears obtained via a carry for discord certification and they got their tags removed once they couldn't provide logs.

People buy carries for any number of reasons. You have console transfers trying to quickly get back to endgame, you have RPs wanting specific skins or titles, you have PVPer wanting gear, you have completionists just wanting to tick all their boxes. Doesn't matter to me why people want the carry, as long as they are happy to pay for the time and skill it takes to carry them.

I'm not expecting people to play the game the way I play, but if you don't put enough effort into something.. you don't deserve the achievements and the goodies that come with it.

Buying carries is a disgusting practice. It encourages end-gaming pve guilds to abandon the concept of teaching new people about the mechanics and focus on how much gold (from questionable sources) they can get by carrying them through difficult content.

As for console transfers.. According to https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/25807

"It is not possible for Customer Support, to transfer characters, gear, gold, crowns or items, between different accounts, servers, or platforms."

I would be highly suspicious to see new console transfers being able to afford the kind of prices that are being offered. Where they get their gold from is the 1 million dollar question.

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Dojohoda · September 2023

Nefas has done everything in the game and some of it hundreds of times so, increasing the pursuit of other interests makes sense.

Zezin · September 2023

I strongly dislike Nefas for several reasons I don't think are worth mentioning here. That being said he's done much for the game and regardless of my personal feelings towards him that is something I'll freely admit. Seeing any of the few remaining content creators leaving gives me the big sad.

LesserCircle · September 2023

This is sad... Farewell Nefas, your videos, website, guides and everything you have done for the game won't be forgotten.

peacenote · September 2023

Jolipinator wrote: »

Not
Everyone
Follows
A
Streamer

There is a happy medium you know.

Some people follow streamers, are fans, watch them play live on Twitch, etc.

Some people just like to be better players and learn from various content videos, not blindly doing what they say but appreciating the insights and the opportunity to see the various ways things can be done in game.

The second, is me. If I'm running a new role in a raid I appreciate those videos as a resource very much.

Nefas, thanks for giving the community a transparent update about how you'll be spending your time in the near future. Many people look forward to your content so that was nice to do.

thehilanderb14a_ESO · September 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Guides existed before content creators. They would be created regardless. Nefas deserves props and credit for what he's done, but this idea that without CCs the playerbase would be lost is just not the case.

If there is a guide, there was a creator of that guide. “Content creator” doesn’t just mean livestreamer.

spartaxoxo · September 2023

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Guides existed before content creators. They would be created regardless. Nefas deserves props and credit for what he's done, but this idea that without CCs the playerbase would be lost is just not the case.

If there is a guide, there was a creator of that guide. “Content creator” doesn’t just mean livestreamer.

Content Creator as a title really didn't come about until YouTube and Streaming. It implies someone who is actively creating somewhat regularly for education or profit, and not just someone who has created a guide of two.

I have personal experience "creating content" including writing a guide that was pretty popular for another game I played, without being a content creator. So, when I say that, trust me it's not to disparage people who are creating those things without being a streamer/YouTuber. It's just that having personal experience doing it, it's a different experience than what most content creators do.

colossalvoids · September 2023

RaikaNA wrote: »

As for console transfers.. According to https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/25807

"It is not possible for Customer Support, to transfer characters, gear, gold, crowns or items, between different accounts, servers, or platforms."

I would be highly suspicious to see new console transfers being able to afford the kind of prices that are being offered. Where they get their gold from is the 1 million dollar question.

Trading (rip crown trading) exists in this game for a reason, so do friends and guildies. It's not that hard to get some tens of mils for carries esp if you're a transfer that knows someone already through discord etc. and known as capable. Your game knowledge doesn't vanish, so you have a lot easier time each next time starting over, knowing how to make a coin and clear the content.

Hint, you can carry people yourself first and spent the coin on carries for your needs. Don't see it as something suspicious, but can see that it might look fishy for inexperienced person.

Jack-0 · September 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Guides existed before content creators. They would be created regardless. Nefas deserves props and credit for what he's done, but this idea that without CCs the playerbase would be lost is just not the case.

If there is a guide, there was a creator of that guide. “Content creator” doesn’t just mean livestreamer.

Content Creator as a title really didn't come about until YouTube and Streaming. It implies someone who is actively creating somewhat regularly for education or profit, and not just someone who has created a guide of two.

I have personal experience "creating content" including writing a guide that was pretty popular for another game I played, without being a content creator. So, when I say that, trust me it's not to disparage people who are creating those things without being a streamer/YouTuber. It's just that having personal experience doing it, it's a different experience than what most content creators do.

Things shift over time, gay used to mean happy rather than homosexual, the Bible used to only be in Latin, and the term content creator can be retroactively applied to people who were creating content prior to this term reaching widespread use in association with streaming live content. We can take streaming aside though as it’s only one aspect of Nefas’ work on ESO, as we know he’s also responsible for written work on his website and discord.

So once again (and I’m writing generally now, not directing this to you specifically, Spartaxoxo) let’s not be so disparaging of someone who, whether you were personally affected or not, has had a massive, net positive impact on ESO, let’s mourn the fact that zos have taken the game so far in such a bad direction and hope for some major course corrections instead.

Redguards_Revenge · September 2023

wilykcat wrote: »

I don't watch videos of livestreamerz and content creators much. Sorry.

You'll leave someday, you always will, or you'll be that guy that plays when there's nobody else left and the star has the final fuel being burned before its inevitable death. Next year ZoS will announce a new MMO game.

Kiyakotari · September 2023

Josh Strife Hayes recently put out a video where he talked about how "modern" MMO's are different from MMO's historically, and one of the biggest changes wasn't in the structure of the games themselves. Rather, he highlighted how the community environment, particularly as regards the value of game information, has drastically changed. It's a long video, but a really interesting watch.

StarOfElyon · September 2023

It's to be expected with a game that's been around a long time. I've been off and on with the game since 2018 and I know my time is almost at an end. No biggie. Players come and go. I will make one more suggestion thread for the game and then be on my way. Who knows when and if I'll come back? More importantly, who cares? There will always be more players.

Daoin · September 2023

question: will there be a post of 'welcome back' when the next new trial is released ?

Elsonso · September 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Guides existed before content creators. They would be created regardless. Nefas deserves props and credit for what he's done, but this idea that without CCs the playerbase would be lost is just not the case.

If there is a guide, there was a creator of that guide. “Content creator” doesn’t just mean livestreamer.

Content Creator as a title really didn't come about until YouTube and Streaming. It implies someone who is actively creating somewhat regularly for education or profit, and not just someone who has created a guide of two.

I have personal experience "creating content" including writing a guide that was pretty popular for another game I played, without being a content creator. So, when I say that, trust me it's not to disparage people who are creating those things without being a streamer/YouTuber. It's just that having personal experience doing it, it's a different experience than what most content creators do.

Yes, you can call yourself a Content Creator, if you want. You don't have to. The term is rather vague, has a low bar, and is easily self-assigned.

CrashTest · September 2023

I don't follow streamers but I've heard of him because I enjoy playing ESO's harder content. When you get to that level, you look for ways to improve and others who are doing that content. In your search, you'll find this guy's ESO resources and others like him who freely share what they know and their resources.

Say what you will about him, but it is undeniable that he has contributed a massive amount to the ESO community that he's still going to make freely available even though he's not mainly focusing on it anymore.

Kalle_Demos · September 2023

It's truly a shame that so many long time players and streamers are being chased away from ESO. Yes. Chased. This slow exodus is a result of years of poor leadership and mismanagement by various parties. The desires and concerns of the community that pays the bills have fallen on deaf ears for so long but I believe change is on the horizon. This situation is untenable and I'm sure that there are at least some within Zenemax that know this. At some point, action will be taken to address these issues, if not out of love for the game(lol) then self preservation and job security.

Warhawke_80 · September 2023

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

. The desires and concerns of the community that pays the bills

No offense...but if you look at percentages....the causal players and the players who partake in the cash shop especially the ones who purchase large amounts of Crown Crates are the ones that actually "pay the bills"

It's not a pretty thing but it is factual.

Jamie_Aubrey · September 2023

Goodbye, I've saw your name floating around but never seen any your content, glad you're not dead like I thought when I saw the title

Kalle_Demos · September 2023

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

. The desires and concerns of the community that pays the bills

No offense...but if you look at percentages....the causal players and the players who partake in the cash shop especially the ones who purchase large amounts of Crown Crates are the ones that actually "pay the bills"

It's not a pretty thing but it is factual.

And how long before they're chased away as well? Casuals don't stay casual forever. It won't be too long before they are in the same position as the people leaving now. This is a pattern going back years. And eventually it will break but not in the game's favor. The reputation is bad enough as it is and the pool of casuals will run dry. Regardless, the behavior and attitude towards long time customers is just shoddy and unsustainable business practice.

katanagirl1 · September 2023

As someone who has finally made my way into the endgame of trials, I have relied on Nefas videos and other info quite a lot lately. I am sad to hear this news.

The last few updates I have struggled to find builds for my trials toon. There aren’t nearly as many out there as there used to be.

Even for someone who has played for 6 years now I think, I don’t understand the game enough and don’t have all the gear to test everything and come up with the best build, so I rely on guys like him. If you ask someone in your trials team what you should do each update, they always say “go look up a build”. You’re not going to have the luxury of someone sitting down with you and talking the time to explain things and tell you everything you need to know.

As for casuals, I don’t know if they spend enough in the crown store to keep things going if the endgamers leave. I get the impression they come and go, after some period of time they get bored and leave. Maybe there is an endless revolving door of them that keeps things going. That sounds pretty sad, though. I think the game would be more healthy if every skill level has the resources to stay engaged and participate.

Daoin · September 2023

theres a difference between vets and toxic vets i'll think about watching that one if he made it, never the less he left (until maybe the next new trial is released) so better to just move on so leaning more towards not watching

Daoin · September 2023

do you think the video was a pivotal point where he took his own opinions into practice then left (maybe until the next new trial is released) ? the toxics may have been outnumbering his fans and subs maybe ? because we dont need to be posting vids to see that in groups everyday, just like me take the ss so it is always self evident everyday and try to play on

C0L0SSUS · September 2023

Thanks for your help this 8 long yrs🤙🏻

Jaraal · September 2023

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

A day will one day come - hopefully FAR down the road - when there just isn’t enough interest in the game to draw in new players, the game population dwindles, and the server eventually gets shut down. At some point, creators will stop posting videos and updating databases; and new gamers will look at the game as an interesting piece of gaming history (if they look at it at all) like most new gamers now look at early MMOs like UO, EQ, and Asheron’s Call.

UO has been active over 25 years, and EQ is close to that. ESO may someday become a ghost town, but with such a large corporation owning it's rights, I don't think it will close any time in the foreseeable future.

thehilanderb14a_ESO · September 2023

Jaraal wrote: »

UO has been active over 25 years, and EQ is close to that. ESO may someday become a ghost town, but with such a large corporation owning it's rights, I don't think it will close any time in the foreseeable future.

Both UO and EQ are shadows of what they once were, and if a new gamer is looking for an MMO to play, they are not even going to be on their radar. Nothing against either of those games - I played a crap ton of both of them back in the day, along with a bunch of other MMOs (some of which still exist, but many of which do not) - but they aren’t really bringing in NEW players, just old players craving nostalgia or who never left in the first place. At best, you get people curious about the “olden days” of MMOs trying it for a couple months then moving on.

Aislinna · September 2023

Does the ugliness of u35 really need to be re-played? He's leaving ESO again (sort of), so whether you like him or not, this is just a good-bye thread.

ZOS_Volpe · September 2023

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Paralyse · September 2023

I'm disheartened to see another long-time player leaving who has been tremendously helpful with videos and instructional guides, and the force behind ESO University as well.

I never had a chance to speak to Nefas much in-game, used to see them in Leyawiin back in the day, though.

Whether you agreed with Nefas or disagreed, the community as a whole suffers when contributors choose to pursue different goals in life.

wilykcat · September 2023

I get there are some people who like this livestreamer and there are some who don't. There are even those who never heard of him. We all have our own beliefs and opinions on this topic. It's ok.

[Removed last paragraph. I'll save that for another discussion].