Goodbye, Nefas

spartaxoxo

Soarora wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

Livestreamers and content creators did not create the game and they are not official employees of the company. They don't even own zenimax.

All they do is make videos about the game. That's it.

Some of them are officially partnered with Zenimax though… like Nefas. Nefas also has done far more than just make videos about the game. He created a discord focused on getting people into trials, ESOU. ESOU also has a commonly browsed website. Next time you look something up, take a look at the website. Often you’re going to ESOU or ESO-HUB.

Yup. ESOU is a fantastic resource. The community was lucky to have it.

Pepegrillos

For some reason, even though the game has a somewhat decent population, there aren't tons of viewers/consumers for ESO's content. You look at the viewer numbers on Twitch (without taking embedded viewers into account), or the overall views on YouTube, and they are kind of terrible.

At the same time, if you take a look at the content being created and compare it with what content creators do in other MMORPGs, you can't help but notice that it's not very good. Most of it is formulaic, stale, repetitive, and superficial. How many "Is it worth playing," and "OP Build pikachu face" videos do you need?

Anyway, good luck to Nefas on whatever he does next.

thehilanderb14a_ESO

Soarora wrote: »

Some of them are officially partnered with Zenimax though… like Nefas. Nefas also has done far more than just make videos about the game. He created a discord focused on getting people into trials, ESOU. ESOU also has a commonly browsed website. Next time you look something up, take a look at the website. Often you’re going to ESOU or ESO-HUB.

Precisely. “Content creators” encompasses a lot more than just livestreamers. Informational sites like wikis, build guides, and databases like ESO-Hub all fall under the umbrella of “content creator”. The game community wouldn’t be what it is today without creators and third party sites like Alcast, Deltia’s, Hack the Minotaur, and others that have kept interest in the game alive. How many new players would simply disappear without sites or discords created by these creators that helped them build an effective character?

wilykcat

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

spartaxoxo

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You may not have heard of them, but many players did. And they are amazing resources that help a lot of players.

Here's some amazing community created websites.

https://eso-u.com/
https://eso-hub.com/
https://lovelynorth.com/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page ,<--not just an incredible resource for ESO, but for all of the TESO series
https://benevolentbowd.ca/
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://deltiasgaming.com/best-eso-builds-updated/
https://eso.justlootit.com/

thehilanderb14a_ESO

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You’ve never looked up a map, or information about an item set? Never looked up builds?

You are in the minority of players in that case. And someone, or someoneS, had to make those sites, upload those maps, and design those builds.

People may not recognize specific names - I don’t watch game streamers and didn’t know who “Nefas” was until this post - but I’ve definitely utilized content that he had a hand in creating.

wilykcat

@spartaxoxo ,
Thanks for the information. I see your point. I enjoy playing the game and I don't use those websites.

Lags

sarahthes wrote: »

It's normal for content creators to move on LOL.

It isn't the end of the world.

not at the rate they do from eso lmao. Not at all.

Rohamad_Ali

It is this one's solemn duty to record this travesty with song and poetry to comfort the good folks of Tamriel.

"Good-by Nefas, it is sad to see you depart."
"Wishing fond farewells, you seem very smart."
"Who ever receives you next will be greatly blessed,"
"that a content creator with heart arrives and is always well dressed."


In the traditions of Sypher, Deltia, FENGRUSH, Alchast, and so on and so forth before you,

Aloha, au revoir, Auf Wiedersehen, safe travels and warm sands to you.

kah

spartaxoxo wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You may not have heard of them, but many players did. And they are amazing resources that help a lot of players.

Here's some amazing community created websites.

https://eso-u.com/
https://eso-hub.com/
https://lovelynorth.com/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page ,<--not just an incredible resource for ESO, but for all of the TESO series
https://benevolentbowd.ca/
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://deltiasgaming.com/best-eso-builds-updated/
https://eso.justlootit.com/

Oh, dip! ESO fashion is shutting down? Sad days!

Lozeenge

more power to you for finding your own way of enjoying ESO, truly. but as much as i dislike the "lmao game is dying" rhetoric it isn't beating those accusations anytime soon if more community figures are suddenly closing their doors. their contributions are undeniable and quite frankly it is in desperate need of more of them as drama builds up between common players over what or what not to do with the game.

Lozeenge

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!

also bruh. like we've been saying, it's a shock to see these things go. i'm surprised Nefas even considered keeping his sites up.

TaSheen

Eh well.... it's not "shutting down" really. It's been subsumed by ESO Hub I guess. Ugh.

Eternalscourge1

brylars wrote: »

Take note ZOS thats free advertising going away. This will affect the "hype" over TES VI. That isnt conspiracy theory thats 20+ years of business experience.

Yeahhhh...ESO will be okay without his type of "advertising" all dude did was hate on the game and be snarky for clicks. OH and changes his voice all the time to make himself talk deeper. Get that frog out ya throat Nefas! ✌️😂

Eternalscourge1

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Some of them are officially partnered with Zenimax though… like Nefas. Nefas also has done far more than just make videos about the game. He created a discord focused on getting people into trials, ESOU. ESOU also has a commonly browsed website. Next time you look something up, take a look at the website. Often you’re going to ESOU or ESO-HUB.

Precisely. “Content creators” encompasses a lot more than just livestreamers. Informational sites like wikis, build guides, and databases like ESO-Hub all fall under the umbrella of “content creator”. The game community wouldn’t be what it is today without creators and third party sites like Alcast, Deltia’s, Hack the Minotaur, and others that have kept interest in the game alive. How many new players would simply disappear without sites or discords created by these creators that helped them build an effective character?

It's really not that difficult to figure out this stuff on one's own.

Lozeenge

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

Precisely. “Content creators” encompasses a lot more than just livestreamers. Informational sites like wikis, build guides, and databases like ESO-Hub all fall under the umbrella of “content creator”. The game community wouldn’t be what it is today without creators and third party sites like Alcast, Deltia’s, Hack the Minotaur, and others that have kept interest in the game alive. How many new players would simply disappear without sites or discords created by these creators that helped them build an effective character?

It's really not that difficult to figure out this stuff on one's own.

nevermind the fact that every other mmo on the planet also has some kind of dedicated community resources as it comes naturally with any sizeable multiplayer title, ESO is actually really terrible at teaching players how to play the game beyond the bare essentials. so much so that we question if the developers even understand what's going on these days. weaving wasn't even an intentional mechanic and now there are toolkits built entirely around it. each class have specific niches that could make-or-break a player's enjoyment of them that aren't ever described in the game beyond flavor text thought to be meaningless.

we literally have a section on these very forums you are in right now where people can discuss these mechanics in detail and help answer any questions. you can't possibly be serious.

Soarora

Lozeenge wrote: »

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

Precisely. “Content creators” encompasses a lot more than just livestreamers. Informational sites like wikis, build guides, and databases like ESO-Hub all fall under the umbrella of “content creator”. The game community wouldn’t be what it is today without creators and third party sites like Alcast, Deltia’s, Hack the Minotaur, and others that have kept interest in the game alive. How many new players would simply disappear without sites or discords created by these creators that helped them build an effective character?

It's really not that difficult to figure out this stuff on one's own.

nevermind the fact that every other mmo on the planet also has some kind of dedicated community resources as it comes naturally with any sizeable multiplayer title, ESO is actually really terrible at teaching players how to play the game beyond the bare essentials. so much so that we question if the developers even understand what's going on these days. weaving wasn't even an intentional mechanic and now there are toolkits built entirely around it. each class have specific niches that could make-or-break a player's enjoyment of them that aren't ever described in the game beyond flavor text thought to be meaningless.

we literally have a section on these very forums you are in right now where people can discuss these mechanics in detail and help answer any questions. you can't possibly be serious.

Plus, people use databases all the time to look up sets, buffs, skills, furnishings, cosmetics, etc. for personal use or for discussions outside of game.

Vulkunne

Good Luck Nefas, sad to see you leave but your feelings on things are understandable and relatable.

Thank you for your time and good effort on the part of the ESO Community, really appreciate your thoughts and opinions on the game as well.

However, as for certain others here (not limited to this thread but certainly starting with it), while I can certainly also understand your abrasiveness towards streamers (as I myself loathe a couple), Nefas has done much for the ESO community and because of that he is I believe, deserving of some respect.

Today Nefas is done, tomorrow it could be any one of us leaving or ESO itself is no more. Besides, the more salt thrown at this man, the more you are proving him right. HIs legacy will only be made stronger because its clear for everyone to see, that his intentions were at best, honorable and at worst he couldn't finish doing enough for other people because of ZOS patch changes.

Before coming against this man, I ask you... what... have you done?!??

Eternalscourge1

Lozeenge wrote: »

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

thehilanderb14a_ESO wrote: »

Precisely. “Content creators” encompasses a lot more than just livestreamers. Informational sites like wikis, build guides, and databases like ESO-Hub all fall under the umbrella of “content creator”. The game community wouldn’t be what it is today without creators and third party sites like Alcast, Deltia’s, Hack the Minotaur, and others that have kept interest in the game alive. How many new players would simply disappear without sites or discords created by these creators that helped them build an effective character?

It's really not that difficult to figure out this stuff on one's own.

nevermind the fact that every other mmo on the planet also has some kind of dedicated community resources as it comes naturally with any sizeable multiplayer title, ESO is actually really terrible at teaching players how to play the game beyond the bare essentials. so much so that we question if the developers even understand what's going on these days. weaving wasn't even an intentional mechanic and now there are toolkits built entirely around it. each class have specific niches that could make-or-break a player's enjoyment of them that aren't ever described in the game beyond flavor text thought to be meaningless.

we literally have a section on these very forums you are in right now where people can discuss these mechanics in detail and help answer any questions. you can't possibly be serious.

Wherever there's a gap in content and an opportunity for clicks, someone will surely fill the gap. Additionally, there's a ton of good info online already that applies to the game as it is today...you make it sound like every single YouTube ESO player is quitting all at once like Alderaan got Death-starred or something, and even if that DID happen, all this info online would be viable for awhile before becoming outdated

Lozeenge

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

Lozeenge wrote: »

nevermind the fact that every other mmo on the planet also has some kind of dedicated community resources as it comes naturally with any sizeable multiplayer title, ESO is actually really terrible at teaching players how to play the game beyond the bare essentials. so much so that we question if the developers even understand what's going on these days. weaving wasn't even an intentional mechanic and now there are toolkits built entirely around it. each class have specific niches that could make-or-break a player's enjoyment of them that aren't ever described in the game beyond flavor text thought to be meaningless.

we literally have a section on these very forums you are in right now where people can discuss these mechanics in detail and help answer any questions. you can't possibly be serious.

Wherever there's a gap in content and an opportunity for clicks, someone will surely fill the gap. Additionally, there's a ton of good info online already that applies to the game as it is today...you make it sound like every single YouTube ESO player is quitting all at once like Alderaan got Death-starred or something, and even if that DID happen, all this info online would be viable for awhile before becoming outdated

i wasn't referring to youtubers specifically. your post came off as reductive towards the work put into making the game enjoyable for everyone. maybe i was being a tad dramatic so in that case sorry about that.

still, there are lots of information that is outdated, conflicting with others, or is just straight up bad advice. everyone apparently has their own way on how to play the game, and i understand that's kind of what the game is going for anyway. but there needs to be a bigger effort towards consistency, especially for players looking to break into veteran content or other end-game stuffs. at least until it inevitably gets flipped on its head again with an out-of-nowhere patch but we'll get there when we get there.

FrancisCrawford

spartaxoxo wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You may not have heard of them, but many players did. And they are amazing resources that help a lot of players.

Here's some amazing community created websites.

https://eso-u.com/
https://eso-hub.com/
https://lovelynorth.com/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page ,<--not just an incredible resource for ESO, but for all of the TESO series
https://benevolentbowd.ca/
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://deltiasgaming.com/best-eso-builds-updated/
https://eso.justlootit.com/

With rare exceptions, I don't use build sites. Instead, I use eso-skillbook, eso-sets, eso-hub and so on a LOT. At least, I do whenever I'm paying much attention to ESO at all.

mmo-fashion can be a very useful resource as well. This is the first I've heard of it shutting down, and that's lousy news.

RaikaNA

spartaxoxo wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

Carries aren't against the rules.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Jolipinator wrote: »

Not
Everyone
Follows
A
Streamer

Nearly
Everyone
Follows
A
Streamer

TFTFY

Most people aren't following streamers.

It might not be against the rules, but ripping people off is... In the video, some of the prices that he has up are questionable... for example... PvP... Charging people 100,000,00 gold for an emperor push in Icereach... A campaign that is practically dead.

Scamming is against the rules. So, if someone charged you for Emperor but then didn't carry you to that title but instead blocked you so you couldn't message them and ran away with the coin, that would be a scam. High prices are not. The price of a good or service is what people are willing to pay. The more it takes to ensure a service provided, the higher the fee. I can't speak to PC prices, so I don't know if that price is reasonable to what others are charging. But as a general rule, a high price is not by itself an indicator of rule breaking.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If someone truly wants to push for emp.. they should join a PvP guild and get support from the guild and from the faction that they're pushing for emp. The reason why I adamantly feel that it should be against TOS is that you don't know if the gold came from a legitimate source.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

spartaxoxo wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You may not have heard of them, but many players did. And they are amazing resources that help a lot of players.

Here's some amazing community created websites.

https://eso-u.com/
https://eso-hub.com/
https://lovelynorth.com/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page ,<--not just an incredible resource for ESO, but for all of the TESO series
https://benevolentbowd.ca/
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://deltiasgaming.com/best-eso-builds-updated/
https://eso.justlootit.com/

I also use ESO Fashion as it has a good furnishings section with pictures and on larger stuff a player character to get an idea of scale.

spartaxoxo

RaikaNA wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

Carries aren't against the rules.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Jolipinator wrote: »

Not
Everyone
Follows
A
Streamer

Nearly
Everyone
Follows
A
Streamer

TFTFY

Most people aren't following streamers.

It might not be against the rules, but ripping people off is... In the video, some of the prices that he has up are questionable... for example... PvP... Charging people 100,000,00 gold for an emperor push in Icereach... A campaign that is practically dead.

Scamming is against the rules. So, if someone charged you for Emperor but then didn't carry you to that title but instead blocked you so you couldn't message them and ran away with the coin, that would be a scam. High prices are not. The price of a good or service is what people are willing to pay. The more it takes to ensure a service provided, the higher the fee. I can't speak to PC prices, so I don't know if that price is reasonable to what others are charging. But as a general rule, a high price is not by itself an indicator of rule breaking.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If someone truly wants to push for emp.. they should join a PvP guild and get support from the guild and from the faction that they're pushing for emp. The reason why I adamantly feel that it should be against TOS is that you don't know if the gold came from a legitimate source.

All coin could have come from an illegitimate source. Should I not be able to sell the gold mats I got from my surveys, because my buyer might have got the coin from a bad source? I am not a big fan of selling and buying (I think its cheap to run around wearing a title that you bought rather than earned) but I don't think it should be bannable. I don't think it takes away from the good things Nefas has contributed to the community like build advice.

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

I never even heard of all of these websites and content creators until I saw these recent post on the forums.

You may not have heard of them, but many players did. And they are amazing resources that help a lot of players.

Here's some amazing community created websites.

https://eso-u.com/
https://eso-hub.com/
https://lovelynorth.com/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ ,<--shutting down soon, but check it out while it's up!
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page ,<--not just an incredible resource for ESO, but for all of the TESO series
https://benevolentbowd.ca/
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://deltiasgaming.com/best-eso-builds-updated/
https://eso.justlootit.com/

I also use ESO Fashion as it has a good furnishings section with pictures and on larger stuff a player character to get an idea of scale.

Same here. It's a shame to see it go. The pics were top notch and the sourcing information in the comments was often more accurate than other sites.

Dr_Con

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

And? Im not saying i agreed with him on everything but there is no doubt about what he has done for the community. All you gotta do is look at esou and what he did with the vitality project... smh

And carries- while personally don't condone them are not against TOS. Thats already been stated.

esou is a gorgeous-looking website, I give him credit for it.. but it doesn't excuse the fact that his guild charges people for carry runs.. which reflects poorly in the community. It's in an abysmal taste. I don't know how many times I've gone to Craglorn and had to report multiple people for spamming in zone about their fraudulent carrying service... selling vTrial skins and vDungeon skins/personalities and so forth. It should be against TOS.

people doing carry runs exist in every game, it's what some end-game people do to prevent themselves from getting bored. additionally, stats on eso-logs can help show whether a person earned a title or bought it, so it really only reflects poorly on the person who bought the carry rather than the group who carried them. It reflects poorly on the person who goes around showing off their pithkas, expecting to get into carry groups just because they have that title, but having no history of ever doing any runs on eso-logs. the carry community is also very small, so small that the majority of them are all in a chat together and the names of people who pay for carries are forever kept in logs on discord.

So yeah, it doesn't matter if someone walks around with a bought Godslayer until they try to brag about it, because they're easily outed as a Fraudslayer.

sarahthes

Jierdanit wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

It's normal for content creators to move on LOL.

It isn't the end of the world.

Can still show respect to someone who has been a major content creator for this game for several years.
And it is certainly not a good thing when people like that say that they won't be playing the game anymore.

There might be a lot of people who don't care about streamers, etc., but there are a lot of people who do and they will certainly not be more likely to pick up the game with people like Nefas saying they don't enjoy it anymore.

LOL I have plenty of respect for him, he's a nice guy and fun to raid with. I say good for him, taking a step back. Spending too much time on one game or community is unhealthy. Diversity, having other hobbies, doing other things, are all much better for one's mental health.

BahometZ

Kind of a bummer.
Not many people advocating for ESO in the gaming community like he was.
We always need new blood, and the lack of compelling online presence for this game is telling. Maybe it's just not that kind of game, but the mismanagement doesn't even give it a chance.

For people scoffing or dropping some lukewarm contrarian take like who cares? We should, or what are you even doing here on a forum for a video game.

Yeah no doubt the world will continue to turn, but the game just keeps taking losses across the board.

INM

Reading this thread, I once again see comments like "If it doesn't bother me, then it's not important at all". It such a disappointing stance for the community that presenting itself as being nice, friendly and understanding. Once again, I see that the whole ESOFAM is a simple facade. Thank you Nefas, you served a great job for the community.

LukosCreyden

Regardless of whether you follow streamers or not, it is concerning that another veteran of the game is stepping back. I am struggling to rhink of any content creators for ESO that have a significant following now. Pretty much every other game has 'big' content creators, but ESO does not.
It DID once, but not anymore.

Jierdanit

INM wrote: »

Reading this thread, I once again see comments like "If it doesn't bother me, then it's not important at all". It such a disappointing stance for the community that presenting itself as being nice, friendly and understanding. Once again, I see that the whole ESOFAM is a simple facade. Thank you Nefas, you served a great job for the community.

The most ridiculous part is that it's mostly the "casual" players who always blame Endgame players for apparently being toxic who are saying stuff like that.

I just don't get how so many people seem to think that content creators, especially ones like Nefas who had a huge impact on ESO, don't deserve respect.
I personally did not watch a lot of his content, since i don't really take part in the parts of the game he mainly does. But it's still sad to see someone like Nefas go.

Also to all the people saying that it doesn't matter if he leaves, or that you think CCs should just all leave.
What is wrong with you ffs?

No one forced you to take part in this thread, it doesn't affect you in the slightest to not write disrespectful stuff about someone.
It's literally just a thread saying Goodbye to a big content creator. Not going to hurt you.