wilykcat wrote: »

Livestreamers and content creators did not create the game and they are not official employees of the company. They don't even own zenimax.

All they do is make videos about the game. That's it.

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Every game needs content creators (especially passioned one) to maintain attention to the game and to attract new players. So called free advertising. Even ZoS understands it. That's why literally all gamedev companies support their content makers and trying to make them stay covering their game as much as possible. This is a bad sign sure but nothing terrible.

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Dr_Con wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

And? Im not saying i agreed with him on everything but there is no doubt about what he has done for the community. All you gotta do is look at esou and what he did with the vitality project... smh

And carries- while personally don't condone them are not against TOS. Thats already been stated.

esou is a gorgeous-looking website, I give him credit for it.. but it doesn't excuse the fact that his guild charges people for carry runs.. which reflects poorly in the community. It's in an abysmal taste. I don't know how many times I've gone to Craglorn and had to report multiple people for spamming in zone about their fraudulent carrying service... selling vTrial skins and vDungeon skins/personalities and so forth. It should be against TOS.

people doing carry runs exist in every game, it's what some end-game people do to prevent themselves from getting bored. additionally, stats on eso-logs can help show whether a person earned a title or bought it, so it really only reflects poorly on the person who bought the carry rather than the group who carried them. It reflects poorly on the person who goes around showing off their pithkas, expecting to get into carry groups just because they have that title, but having no history of ever doing any runs on eso-logs. the carry community is also very small, so small that the majority of them are all in a chat together and the names of people who pay for carries are forever kept in logs on discord.

So yeah, it doesn't matter if someone walks around with a bought Godslayer until they try to brag about it, because they're easily outed as a Fraudslayer.

I'm not interested in carries, myself, but I have no issue with other players getting carries or giving carries if that's what they want to do, because it's really none of my business.

However, your comments seem to be placing the blame or shame upon the people buying carries rather than the ones selling carries, which strikes me as a bit like wagging your finger at people buying goods or services while simultaneously claiming that the people selling those same goods and services are blameless. Either both are okay, or both are shameful, because it is the people selling carries who give rise to the people buying carries.

I've watched some of Nefas' streams and mostly enjoyed them, until he got into ragging on the game and the devs. But the last straw for me was when I tuned into one of his streams and he was reading this forum out loud in his stream. I forget what the threads were, but he was reading posts he apparently disagreed with, and then he made the comment that he sometimes wondered whether some of these people were real. Excuse me? And this was on a day when he had put "mental health" as one of the tags on his stream. I didn't unfollow him, but I stopped tuning in after that.

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

brylars wrote: »

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OH and changes his voice all the time to make himself talk deeper. Get that frog out ya throat Nefas! ✌️😂

When you mentioned his name the first thing I thought of was his voice. I haven't sat through a whole video, but the websites are very useful. Although some parts I couldn't quite be bothered to read.

I wish him well though. I'm sure he'll be back to ESO when he wakes up at 5am thinking about the neverending dungeon...

Not that I've ever done that.

Jack-0 wrote: »

I think many of us that play endgame content in ESO are only still here because of our friends and our community. When zos keeps hurting this community, they’re ultimately hurting themselves and this game we all (used to) love.

I completely agree. I only run trials with a few guilds, with a group of people I’ve known for several years, who mostly know each other. Someone I know only plays for our core, and that was common during U35. People only playing for cores. Sometimes I do the same. I used to run multiple PuG dungeons a day and quest but not now.

When I entered this post I did not know who Nefas was, but I realized that I have used builds and other things from him without knowing it.

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Sad days, I remember when I watched that one video to learn how ultimate generation works. External sites and creators are like 90% of my current game knowledge. Each one that goes is a blow to the community.

wilykcat wrote: »

I and many others don't play online games because of livestreamers. Instead we play online games because we enjoy them.

I discover many online games and figure out how to play those without the need for livestreamers and content creators.

It's more fun to play the game for your own enjoyment instead of watching a video of someone else playing.

Tbh, content creators and livestreamers have no control over what I can and can't do. They don't influence me at all.

I'm not a fan of livestreamers and content creators (especially when they dictate everything the game does and what players should and shouldn't do). Everyone should be free to make their own decisions.

I mean, I've watched guides made by Alcast and Deltia and I've seen Nefaq's and other's videos, and I STILL make my own decisions. Everyone IS entitled to make their own decisions regardless if they watch streamers/content creator's videos, aren't they? The thing is you are only imprisoned by your own ignorance if you allow it. It's not like they are telling you that EVERYONE should do what they do. They are guides, because admit it or not many of the people playing ESO do not bother to learn the math behind it. Even myself. But it's nice to know at least a portion of it.

I mean, yeah it IS more fun to play on your own. As you should. But don't we all use guides in one form or another when there is something we cannot figure out? I mean, c'mon let's be real here, gamers have always been using guides, we cannot figure everything out in games, even professional athletes have mentors and coaches to correct their mistakes. Let's not act as if following a steamer's guide is such a terrible thing, and someone who watch these streamers are just scumbags because they can't figure out what you can.

Also we don't play online games because of live streamers, I mean, that argument is just silly. People watch live streams because they want to learn. Not because they don't want to play the game. LOL. So I guess, learning is just being stupid now? Not sure what's the point here.

reazea wrote: »

Over time there will be fewer and fewer tutorials and how to's being created. This has been the trend for more than a couple years now. ZOS is antagonistic to their most experienced veteran players and content creators. See this related thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/642007/since-pop-count-is-low#latest

Unfortunately you're right.

Nonetheless the anti-veteran-crowd will continue to celebrate every loss to the community while demanding an even easier game, because they have no clue how to play it.

Honestly I didn't know who this was lol! Had to look him up so doesn't really hit as hard with me at all. There is plenty of people who cover ESO luckily.

been playing MMO's since 1999 during the Everquest days. Never played WOW, could careless on content creators, they dont pay my sub to play I play cause I want to play.
most here are placing these people on some sort of pedestal that if they quit the game is going to shut down. Guess what EQ is still going on without a content creator touting the game.
I only know Nefas from the forums here other then that I could careless if they left or took a hiatus cause I'm still logging in doing what I enjoy.
you can flame me for all that I said if you want but like i said, he never directed me to ESO to play and I play other games as well.

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

That's... Not a bannable offense though, right?

tohopka_eso wrote: »

been playing MMO's since 1999 during the Everquest days. Never played WOW, could careless on content creators, they dont pay my sub to play I play cause I want to play.
most here are placing these people on some sort of pedestal that if they quit the game is going to shut down. Guess what EQ is still going on without a content creator touting the game.
I only know Nefas from the forums here other then that I could careless if they left or took a hiatus cause I'm still logging in doing what I enjoy.
you can flame me for all that I said if you want but like i said, he never directed me to ESO to play and I play other games as well.

The EQ servers are still up, but no one can legitimately argue that the game still has a thriving community. There will always be diehard fans that play a game until the day the servers die - or even “revive” them with public servers after the fact - that doesn’t mean the game is in a healthy state.

And there is nothing wrong with that either. People move on, and games dwindle to fleeting shadows of what they were in their heydays. Some take longer than others, and some linger longer than they should **COUGH**WOW**COUGH**, but it eventually will happen to any live service based game: whether it’s due to the developer pulling the plug on a no-longer profitable game, the last player logging out for the last time, or a developer going belly up.

ESO is not there yet. Even if this current debacle drags on for months, it’s not there yet. But it’s on the horizon: the veteran players know it, the creators know it, and most importantly ZoS knows it. They know that ESO isn’t going to be a moneymaker forever. And no one is saying that Nefas leaving means the game dies in a month. But as more and more creators leave and move on to newer projects, it DOES serve as an indicator that interest in the game is dwindling. And while as a particular individual, you may be a diehard fan that sticks around to the bitter end, you will do so on servers that over time see fewer people and fewer updates - until eventually the game goes the way of Asheron’s Call, City of Heroes, Warhammer Online, and others.