Goodbye, Nefas

Jaraal · September 2023

Dr_Con wrote: »

he's done everything there is to do and doesn't enjoy making eso videos. He probably feels his talents can be useful elsewhere, and I think he has huge potential as a person.

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Pepegrillos · September 2023

Pepegrillos wrote: »

INM wrote: »

Reading this thread, I once again see comments like "If it doesn't bother me, then it's not important at all". It such a disappointing stance for the community that presenting itself as being nice, friendly and understanding. Once again, I see that the whole ESOFAM is a simple facade. Thank you Nefas, you served a great job for the community.

[snip] There never has been an ESOFAM and never will be.

[edited for bashing]

[snip]

Creating the idea that the relation your customers have with the company is one of familiarity is a classic marketing move.

[edited for bashing]

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

depravity_influence wrote: »

[snip] So what if Eso is changing, has changed and will change. [snip] As it was siad in zone chat yeasterday:
"Nefas is leaving."
"WE CARES!!!!"
best zone chat ever

Yeah thats most definitely not true lol plenty have left and moved on to other things

[edited to remove quote]

RaikaNA · September 2023

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@RaikaNA offering carries is a perfectly valid and sensible way for trials guilds to make gold. Why on earth would they ban someone for that? Absolutely ridiculous notion.

Not when it starts creating unsolicited spam in zone (you see a lot of it in Craglorn). This isn't a gold simulation game. This game isn't all about how much gold you make... It's about doing content.. whether it be PvE or PvP. If you want gold.. farm for motifs that people want or farm for raw materials. If you go on YouTube and type in "How to make gold in ESO" you'll get tons of videos from content creators on how to make gold in the game.

Selling carries is not perfectly valid. It encourages laziness and it certainly defeats the purpose of doing the actual content.

RaikaNA · September 2023

Aka_ wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I saw this. Dude was a pillar of the pve community. Ive been playing a little over 2 years. I do a lot of hard raiding content. Ive found myself moving more away from it. Just loggin on to grab a daily, go to a prog, and parse every now and again. Been revisting other games and discovering new ones. A lot of my friends are doing the same. Eso- its having a really really bad time right now and the future is not looking bright.. its really sad cause i love elder scrolls..

Honestly just waiting for skinnycheeks to quit now...

This guy is far from being a pillar of the PVE community... especially when he makes videos like this as he openly admits that he uses his guild as an end-game carrying service.
https://youtu.be/AniNVUzSqOg?si=62QyGjl5Bo_AJxaC

I'm surprised to see that ZOS hasn't banned him yet for conducting this kind of practice...

That's... Not a bannable offense though, right?

It should be.

sarahthes · September 2023

RaikaNA wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@RaikaNA offering carries is a perfectly valid and sensible way for trials guilds to make gold. Why on earth would they ban someone for that? Absolutely ridiculous notion.

Not when it starts creating unsolicited spam in zone (you see a lot of it in Craglorn). This isn't a gold simulation game. This game isn't all about how much gold you make... It's about doing content.. whether it be PvE or PvP. If you want gold.. farm for motifs that people want or farm for raw materials. If you go on YouTube and type in "How to make gold in ESO" you'll get tons of videos from content creators on how to make gold in the game.

Selling carries is not perfectly valid. It encourages laziness and it certainly defeats the purpose of doing the actual content.

I have cleared most trial HMs and have most trifectas (working on ones I missed when I took a year off). I've certainly bought gear carries before, even though I can clear the content.

I also participate in them as a raider. Using carry gold to buy more carries LOL.

There's lots of reasons people might buy a carry. Getting 12 sets of drops instead of one is by far the most common, especially for people with deep pockets but limited playtime.

Elsonso · September 2023

Jaraal wrote: »

Dr_Con wrote: »

he's done everything there is to do and doesn't enjoy making eso videos. He probably feels his talents can be useful elsewhere, and I think he has huge potential as a person.

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Actually, from his video, it sounds like he is following his interests, not the "business". The game is not interesting for him, and he tells why.

Jaraal · September 2023

Elsonso wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Dr_Con wrote: »

he's done everything there is to do and doesn't enjoy making eso videos. He probably feels his talents can be useful elsewhere, and I think he has huge potential as a person.

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Actually, from his video, it sounds like he is following his interests, not the "business". The game is not interesting for him, and he tells why.

Well of course he's not going to say, "Hey, guess what guys! You aren't giving me enough money for my ESO content, so I'm moving to more profitable subjects!" Why would he alienate his subscribers like that?

pinkfluffygoat · September 2023

dang people got super defensive about something they clearly dont care about. like yah we get it you take this as a dooms day thread. its respect to a content creator that loved the game. good bye nefas you will be missed

CE_Nex · September 2023

Rest in Peace Nefas. May flights of ferrets sing thee to thy rest.

blktauna · September 2023

Jaraal wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Actually, from his video, it sounds like he is following his interests, not the "business". The game is not interesting for him, and he tells why.

Well of course he's not going to say, "Hey, guess what guys! You aren't giving me enough money for my ESO content, so I'm moving to more profitable subjects!" Why would he alienate his subscribers like that?

He has actual businesses. His Youtube hannel is not one of them.
You trying to minimise the impact of this is silly. This guy had a large teaching pplatfoem because ZOS can't be bothered to teach via the game. He (with others) ran extremely useful resources and had deep instututional knowledge of the game. He was a fixture and it doesn't bode well when people like that leave.

RaikaNA · September 2023

sarahthes wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@RaikaNA offering carries is a perfectly valid and sensible way for trials guilds to make gold. Why on earth would they ban someone for that? Absolutely ridiculous notion.

Not when it starts creating unsolicited spam in zone (you see a lot of it in Craglorn). This isn't a gold simulation game. This game isn't all about how much gold you make... It's about doing content.. whether it be PvE or PvP. If you want gold.. farm for motifs that people want or farm for raw materials. If you go on YouTube and type in "How to make gold in ESO" you'll get tons of videos from content creators on how to make gold in the game.

Selling carries is not perfectly valid. It encourages laziness and it certainly defeats the purpose of doing the actual content.

I have cleared most trial HMs and have most trifectas (working on ones I missed when I took a year off). I've certainly bought gear carries before, even though I can clear the content.

I also participate in them as a raider. Using carry gold to buy more carries LOL.

There's lots of reasons people might buy a carry. Getting 12 sets of drops instead of one is by far the most common, especially for people with deep pockets but limited playtime.

It defeats the purpose of learning about the trial and understanding the mechanics. I get it.. you don't want to keep farming for gear.. I get it, but this is an MMORPG game.. and these kinds of games are quite notorious for grinding.. It's part of the game to keep players busy playing the game.

I still remember how proud I was for pulling through and finally getting my burning spellweave inferno staff from grinding City of ass.. I mean Ash after doing 100s of endless runs. I've never asked nor offered any money to buy the staff from anyone. This was before the stickerbook era too. I also did the same with getting my Kinras's Wrath's daggers.. I don't pay for carries because I want to enjoy what the content can offer me.

I understand that some people have limited playtime.. but if you don't have time to play the content.. do you really need that trial skin if you don't put enough time and effort into doing the content? I have 2 trial skins... 1 from vMoL and the other Sunspire. The vMOL skin took me 4 months to get from progressive runs...

Jaraal · September 2023

blktauna wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Actually, from his video, it sounds like he is following his interests, not the "business". The game is not interesting for him, and he tells why.

Well of course he's not going to say, "Hey, guess what guys! You aren't giving me enough money for my ESO content, so I'm moving to more profitable subjects!" Why would he alienate his subscribers like that?

He has actual businesses. His Youtube hannel is not one of them.
You trying to minimise the impact of this is silly. This guy had a large teaching pplatfoem because ZOS can't be bothered to teach via the game. He (with others) ran extremely useful resources and had deep instututional knowledge of the game. He was a fixture and it doesn't bode well when people like that leave.

I said I like NefasSQ and of course his impact on the ESO playerbase is undeniable. But are you really saying he's not getting paid for his YT content? I think he would disagree with you. He makes between 10 and 30 cents per view, based on average YT ad rates.

Elsonso · September 2023

Jaraal wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Dr_Con wrote: »

he's done everything there is to do and doesn't enjoy making eso videos. He probably feels his talents can be useful elsewhere, and I think he has huge potential as a person.

I like Nefas too, but streaming is a business and what he does for a living.... and it's only natural to follow the money. His ESO views are down due to a combination of age of the game, chronic bugs and player unfriendly choices by ZOS, and viewers' interest in new games that he's moving to cover.

It makes sense that he's cutting back on (but not entirely abandoning) ESO content.

Actually, from his video, it sounds like he is following his interests, not the "business". The game is not interesting for him, and he tells why.

Well of course he's not going to say, "Hey, guess what guys! You aren't giving me enough money for my ESO content, so I'm moving to more profitable subjects!" Why would he alienate his subscribers like that?

I believe he already did a video on how ESO is not a good choice for making money as a content creator. If he was looking for more money, he would have no reason to hide the fact. Besides, he probably alienated a lot of his audience with this announcement.

I watch him for ESO news and commentary. I don't watch him play the game. I wish him well, but unless he is going to cover gaming news about games I am interested in, I probably won't see much of his new content. I really don't care to watch people play games. I am more interested in what they have to say about the game. If his future content is along those lines, and interesting, I know he will have insights for me to hear. Then I will tune in.

FantasticFreddie · September 2023

RaikaNA wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@RaikaNA offering carries is a perfectly valid and sensible way for trials guilds to make gold. Why on earth would they ban someone for that? Absolutely ridiculous notion.

Not when it starts creating unsolicited spam in zone (you see a lot of it in Craglorn). This isn't a gold simulation game. This game isn't all about how much gold you make... It's about doing content.. whether it be PvE or PvP. If you want gold.. farm for motifs that people want or farm for raw materials. If you go on YouTube and type in "How to make gold in ESO" you'll get tons of videos from content creators on how to make gold in the game.

Selling carries is not perfectly valid. It encourages laziness and it certainly defeats the purpose of doing the actual content.

I have cleared most trial HMs and have most trifectas (working on ones I missed when I took a year off). I've certainly bought gear carries before, even though I can clear the content.

I also participate in them as a raider. Using carry gold to buy more carries LOL.

There's lots of reasons people might buy a carry. Getting 12 sets of drops instead of one is by far the most common, especially for people with deep pockets but limited playtime.

It defeats the purpose of learning about the trial and understanding the mechanics. I get it.. you don't want to keep farming for gear.. I get it, but this is an MMORPG game.. and these kinds of games are quite notorious for grinding.. It's part of the game to keep players busy playing the game.

I still remember how proud I was for pulling through and finally getting my burning spellweave inferno staff from grinding City of ass.. I mean Ash after doing 100s of endless runs. I've never asked nor offered any money to buy the staff from anyone. This was before the stickerbook era too. I also did the same with getting my Kinras's Wrath's daggers.. I don't pay for carries because I want to enjoy what the content can offer me.

I understand that some people have limited playtime.. but if you don't have time to play the content.. do you really need that trial skin if you don't put enough time and effort into doing the content? I have 2 trial skins... 1 from vMoL and the other Sunspire. The vMOL skin took me 4 months to get from progressive runs...

[Snip]

If you are never going to buy or sell carries, they do not affect you. At all. I can count on one finger the number of times someone tried to use clears obtained via a carry for discord certification and they got their tags removed once they couldn't provide logs.

People buy carries for any number of reasons. You have console transfers trying to quickly get back to endgame, you have RPs wanting specific skins or titles, you have PVPer wanting gear, you have completionists just wanting to tick all their boxes. Doesn't matter to me why people want the carry, as long as they are happy to pay for the time and skill it takes to carry them.

[Edited for minor bait]

FeedbackOnly · September 2023

I personally didn't like them so this is a good news for me.

Rkindaleft · September 2023

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

I personally didn't like them so this is a good news for me.

[Snip]

I have been in this community since the game released on console. I have probably been in the "endgame" community for about 3ish years when finally I learned to "get good." The game frankly does a horrible job of teaching players how to play it and the only reason I ever learned and the only reason a vast majority of players who learned was resources from outside sources largely developed by content creators such as Nefas who provided so much information to the community in his websites, ESO-U discord and Project Vitality videos.

I don't think anyone can deny that players are leaving the game, the endgame community has largely been on life support since U35 and having someone who has done so much for the community decide to step back is not healthy for the game. Like I said I respect that people might not watch content creators/like them but they provide marketing for this game and provide the most information for anything above the bare essentials of combat because ZoS does not for whatever reason.

What happens if Skinny Cheeks leaves? Or even Xynode? There are smaller channels that are great (such as CP Charles) but where does a player go to get vital information about how to improve their ability, because again ZoS does not provide that through anything substantial in the actual game.

[Edited for minor bait]

LadyLethalla · September 2023

I remember when Deltia left years ago... and then came back.

Rkindaleft · September 2023

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I remember when Deltia left years ago... and then came back.

In a way I agree but these content creators aren't going to come back if the game continues to spiral down to an even worse state. Casuals can argue all they want but players such as Nefas or Skinny Cheeks (plus several others in the past that don't upload anymore, such as Alcast) are a part of the reason why people are at the progression level/endgame to begin with. Nobody got to endgame without outside sources, which were almost always provided by content creators as much as people try to deny it. If they go, where are new players going to learn about the combat/mechanics in this game? > because ZoS doesn't teach it to you in the game.

Also if you're a overland or solo player you shouldn't be making toxic comments because this has nothing to do with you/your playstyle.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I remember when Deltia left years ago... and then came back.

Yeah deltia left for irl reasons. He was having a kid if i recall.

Lags · September 2023

depravity_influence wrote: »

[snip] So what if Eso is changing, has changed and will change. [snip] As it was siad in zone chat yeasterday:
"Nefas is leaving."
"WE CARES!!!!"

best zone chat ever

ya i mean who cares really, im sure someone like you has done a massive amount for the eso community and will keep up nefas work. Even for the people who absolutely hate you for some wierdo reason.

[edited to remove quote]

Lags · September 2023

On the topic of streamers, anyone remember when summit played eso? What an opportunity that would have been to draw in some new players. Unfortunately he decided to pvp lol, what a rude awakening it must be for new players to realize how pvp just doesnt work.

Even asmongold tried it, for a short amount of time. Unfortunately he was turned off by, among other things, the fact that all the mounts come from the cash shop. Its undeniable that large content creators can pull a lot of people into a game.

The point is, eso is just full of lost potential. Zenimax will not take risks. Like restructure the reward system, add in some real in game rewards across the board, and fix performance. Fixing performance is easier said than done sure, but rewards they could do. Necrom was a small start, and could have been better, but it needs to be every zone, dungeons, world bosses, etc. A complete overhaul. And throw the flashy crazy mounts, polymorphs, costumes, etc, in the crates. Make the game feel rewarding.

Because at this point they are chasing content creators and players away, and they need to be doing the opposite. Things are no where near too far gone, and many people would come back given reason.

Daoin · September 2023

the old make way for the new, that is the way of all things in nature. why make a long winded video about leaving than just stop playing or streaming and log in from time to time as a casual player or to do stuff with friends ? i been around since beta but im not going to make a video of the day i stop playing and suggest to others its because eso has nothing to offer when it obviously a huge game, a bit too big said by most for new players. even i like the fact and way the game is slowly changing to become more new-player orientated

AstroST · September 2023

Daoin wrote: »

. why make a long winded video about leaving than just stop playing or streaming and log in from time to time as a casual player or to do stuff with friends ? i been around since beta but im not going to make a video of the day i stop playing

Let's be honest, no one will care if you make a video saying you are leaving, while a lot of people cared about Nefas.

I see a lot of toxicity in ESO, seems casuals want all other people gone so they can have the game totally adapted to their gameplay.
A lot of post in this thread are just another proof of this.

Daoin · September 2023

so intsead of saying guys im just gonna play casual, im done making vids on my solo achievments in HM dungeons and want to take it easy, there needs to be a video and a forum post of 'goodbye' so it not allowed in forums to make im leaving posts ? but goodbye ones because theres a video to watch of it is ok ? you know im pretty sure if theres a reason there is no im leaving posts then common sense says dont post goodbye ones with links to im leaving videos

thorwyn · September 2023

How is a youtuber supposed to say

guys im just gonna play casual, im done making vids on my solo achievments in HM dungeons and want to take it easy

to his followers and subscribers if not through a video?

spartaxoxo · September 2023

Guides existed before content creators. They would be created regardless. Nefas deserves props and credit for what he's done, but this idea that without CCs the playerbase would be lost is just not the case.

Warhawke_80 · September 2023

I always thought that game developers depend way too much on content creators...and you never know when they are going to flip out on you as in the case of the CC Pyromancer...

I don't know much about Nefas because I'm new to the game but due to recommendations I watched through many of his videos, and though he seems nice, there was always This hint of "make the game centered around Vet trials or else"

And I don't think that the devs wanted to go in that direction...I can't blame them because that is a very small demographic.

I just wish one persons discission wouldn't spark so much needless bickering.

JanTanhide · September 2023

Yep. Dozens are gone and more leaving as the game continues it's path to oblivion. Update 35 was the worst thing ever and caused i.m.o. hundreds of thousands to leave for good. The trend continues.

Wake up ZOS.

Sparxlost · September 2023

I dont have editing software but someone should totally make a "curtain call" video for Nefas where it basically shows us a ton of the best moments from his eso content career... Like i said i would do it myself but i dont have the tools to do so..