AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I use magelight, but that's still only a chance of fighting back, never a guarantee. 8 meters is utterly laughable and nightblades move like lightning in stealth. I could use radiant magelight to increase that chance a bit, but then I am left with a slot that is all but useless against everyone else. Usually I just have to sacrifice a detection potion because magelight doesn't cut it.
Just saying, I don't need any such counters against the other 5 classes.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I need immovability pots because of DKs, necros, wardens lol.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I need immovability pots because of DKs, necros, wardens lol.
Huh?
Immovable pots counter stuns across the board.
Pen counters resistances across the board.
More health counters burst across the board.
Slotting flare counters cloak, a skill only one class has access to, and only counters it in a specific ground area that you target.
And, I forget what patch it was, but they changed a ton of skills to no longer remove players from stealth. So yeah, unless you slot one of the specific skills designed to counter the specific offensive and defensive stealth ability of 1 class, the chances are you don't have a skill on your bar to counter cloak effectively, or in some cases, not at all.
Take a basic skill setup for a sorc:
Curse: No longer removes a NB from stealth and still requires them to be out of stealth to land it
Frag: Never removed from stealth, still requires visibility of the NB to even fire it
Fury: ""
Force Pulse: ""
Boundless Storm: No longer removes from stealth
Streak: Maybe the only native skill that is used in PVP that could work. But even then, it has a weird conal AOE stun and is not even remotely effective as a stealth counter unless you are in a super enclosed space. Plus, super expensive to just spam around trying to find someone who can perma-cloak with no penalty.
Everything else is defensive, like healing or shields.
Most classes had a ton of native cloak counters removed last year. Boundless/Hurricane used to be a great one.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I need immovability pots because of DKs, necros, wardens lol.
Huh?
Immovable pots counter stuns across the board.
Pen counters resistances across the board.
More health counters burst across the board.
Slotting flare counters cloak, a skill only one class has access to, and only counters it in a specific ground area that you target.
And, I forget what patch it was, but they changed a ton of skills to no longer remove players from stealth. So yeah, unless you slot one of the specific skills designed to counter the specific offensive and defensive stealth ability of 1 class, the chances are you don't have a skill on your bar to counter cloak effectively, or in some cases, not at all.
Take a basic skill setup for a sorc:
Curse: No longer removes a NB from stealth and still requires them to be out of stealth to land it
Frag: Never removed from stealth, still requires visibility of the NB to even fire it
Fury: ""
Force Pulse: ""
Boundless Storm: No longer removes from stealth
Streak: Maybe the only native skill that is used in PVP that could work. But even then, it has a weird conal AOE stun and is not even remotely effective as a stealth counter unless you are in a super enclosed space. Plus, super expensive to just spam around trying to find someone who can perma-cloak with no penalty.
Everything else is defensive, like healing or shields.
Most classes had a ton of native cloak counters removed last year. Boundless/Hurricane used to be a great one.
Curse removes people from stealth what are you talking about? Use a detect potion find the nightblade and put curse on them. People do it all the time. No one can permacloak they run out of Magicka that's the penalty no one can cloak for forever..try actually playing a NB and you will see what I mean. Streak removes people from stealth. You can use expert hunter, you can used jabs. There are tons of skills you can use. Stealth is a nightblades defensive skill.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I need immovability pots because of DKs, necros, wardens lol.
Huh?
Immovable pots counter stuns across the board.
Pen counters resistances across the board.
More health counters burst across the board.
Slotting flare counters cloak, a skill only one class has access to, and only counters it in a specific ground area that you target.
And, I forget what patch it was, but they changed a ton of skills to no longer remove players from stealth. So yeah, unless you slot one of the specific skills designed to counter the specific offensive and defensive stealth ability of 1 class, the chances are you don't have a skill on your bar to counter cloak effectively, or in some cases, not at all.
Take a basic skill setup for a sorc:
Curse: No longer removes a NB from stealth and still requires them to be out of stealth to land it
Frag: Never removed from stealth, still requires visibility of the NB to even fire it
Fury: ""
Force Pulse: ""
Boundless Storm: No longer removes from stealth
Streak: Maybe the only native skill that is used in PVP that could work. But even then, it has a weird conal AOE stun and is not even remotely effective as a stealth counter unless you are in a super enclosed space. Plus, super expensive to just spam around trying to find someone who can perma-cloak with no penalty.
Everything else is defensive, like healing or shields.
Most classes had a ton of native cloak counters removed last year. Boundless/Hurricane used to be a great one.
Curse removes people from stealth what are you talking about? Use a detect potion find the nightblade and put curse on them. People do it all the time. No one can permacloak they run out of Magicka that's the penalty no one can cloak for forever..try actually playing a NB and you will see what I mean. Streak removes people from stealth. You can use expert hunter, you can used jabs. There are tons of skills you can use. Stealth is a nightblades defensive skill.
When I play Nightblade, I also have 0 struggle with other Nightblades because I have an easy targeted max range reveal with Mark Target that is not bound to some petty, unreliable aoe. So yea, easy to say from the perspective of a Nightblade, you're right.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I use magelight, but that's still only a chance of fighting back, never a guarantee. 8 meters is utterly laughable and nightblades move like lightning in stealth. I could use radiant magelight to increase that chance a bit, but then I am left with a slot that is all but useless against everyone else. Usually I just have to sacrifice a detection potion because magelight doesn't cut it.
Just saying, I don't need any such counters against the other 5 classes.
Every class has a different counter. If nightblades are such a bother then run counters against them. But they are not as abundant as the amount of DKs and Templars right now. Run a spell CRIT detect or an immovability detect. It doesn't have to be pure detect potions.
There are multiple slots to slot multiple potions. It's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.
This is pointless, you clearly don't read. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that I do indeed use plenty of counters. Doesn't matter if the Nightblade isn't a full dimwit.
Then get as good as they are. Don't blame your shortcomings on players that are better than you.
Fair, although I would counter by saying, stop justifying the strong state of cloak by the example of bad Nightblades who seem to struggle using it properly. This includes you, I believe.
Have fun getting ganked. If you only knew lol. But believe whatever you want, doesn't make it true haha.
I doubt this is a question of faith. Please do not pretend to be mysterious and in the possession of some great secret.
But I know. When I play Nightblade, I also have 0 struggle with other Nightblades because I have an easy targeted max range reveal with Mark Target that is not bound to some petty, unreliable aoe. So yea, easy to say from the perspective of a Nightblade, you're right.
I'm not in the possession of some great secret. All I have been doing is telling you how to take nightblades out of stealth and you just keep saying it's too hard against good players. Well that's because they are good players. When I play a nightblade I get ganked by other nightblades but I run detect pots and a lot of the times I can catch them before they get me.
I find them on my sorc, i find them on my templar, because I use counters that are available in my builds. Detect potions are not this giant hindrance like you claim.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I use magelight, but that's still only a chance of fighting back, never a guarantee. 8 meters is utterly laughable and nightblades move like lightning in stealth. I could use radiant magelight to increase that chance a bit, but then I am left with a slot that is all but useless against everyone else. Usually I just have to sacrifice a detection potion because magelight doesn't cut it.
Just saying, I don't need any such counters against the other 5 classes.
Every class has a different counter. If nightblades are such a bother then run counters against them. But they are not as abundant as the amount of DKs and Templars right now. Run a spell CRIT detect or an immovability detect. It doesn't have to be pure detect potions.
There are multiple slots to slot multiple potions. It's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.
This is pointless, you clearly don't read. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that I do indeed use plenty of counters. Doesn't matter if the Nightblade isn't a full dimwit.
Then get as good as they are. Don't blame your shortcomings on players that are better than you.
Fair, although I would counter by saying, stop justifying the strong state of cloak by the example of bad Nightblades who seem to struggle using it properly. This includes you, I believe.
Have fun getting ganked. If you only knew lol. But believe whatever you want, doesn't make it true haha.
I doubt this is a question of faith. Please do not pretend to be mysterious and in the possession of some great secret.
But I know. When I play Nightblade, I also have 0 struggle with other Nightblades because I have an easy targeted max range reveal with Mark Target that is not bound to some petty, unreliable aoe. So yea, easy to say from the perspective of a Nightblade, you're right.
I'm not in the possession of some great secret. All I have been doing is telling you how to take nightblades out of stealth and you just keep saying it's too hard against good players. Well that's because they are good players. When I play a nightblade I get ganked by other nightblades but I run detect pots and a lot of the times I can catch them before they get me.
I find them on my sorc, i find them on my templar, because I use counters that are available in my builds. Detect potions are not this giant hindrance like you claim.
You misunderstood me then. Taking Nightblades out of stealth is not the sole challenge. It's just, you act as though good nightblades instantly explode once revealed and I am telling you, this is false. You have other means to stay alive than cloak. Potent tools. Cloak is just the potent cherry on top.
Just saying, I don't need any such counters against the other 5 classes.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.
So you have zero skills on your bar that could pull a nightblade out of stealth? I find that hard to believe. I have had to change the amount of health I am running to be able to survive a DKs burst now. So yes you always have to adjust. You want to catch a streaking sorc? Better be fast. I have had to run builds with more pen as well because of the DK meta. So idk what you're going on about.
I use magelight, but that's still only a chance of fighting back, never a guarantee. 8 meters is utterly laughable and nightblades move like lightning in stealth. I could use radiant magelight to increase that chance a bit, but then I am left with a slot that is all but useless against everyone else. Usually I just have to sacrifice a detection potion because magelight doesn't cut it.
Just saying, I don't need any such counters against the other 5 classes.
Every class has a different counter. If nightblades are such a bother then run counters against them. But they are not as abundant as the amount of DKs and Templars right now. Run a spell CRIT detect or an immovability detect. It doesn't have to be pure detect potions.
There are multiple slots to slot multiple potions. It's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.
This is pointless, you clearly don't read. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that I do indeed use plenty of counters. Doesn't matter if the Nightblade isn't a full dimwit.
Then get as good as they are. Don't blame your shortcomings on players that are better than you.
Fair, although I would counter by saying, stop justifying the strong state of cloak by the example of bad Nightblades who seem to struggle using it properly. This includes you, I believe.
Have fun getting ganked. If you only knew lol. But believe whatever you want, doesn't make it true haha.
I doubt this is a question of faith. Please do not pretend to be mysterious and in the possession of some great secret.
But I know. When I play Nightblade, I also have 0 struggle with other Nightblades because I have an easy targeted max range reveal with Mark Target that is not bound to some petty, unreliable aoe. So yea, easy to say from the perspective of a Nightblade, you're right.
I'm not in the possession of some great secret. All I have been doing is telling you how to take nightblades out of stealth and you just keep saying it's too hard against good players. Well that's because they are good players. When I play a nightblade I get ganked by other nightblades but I run detect pots and a lot of the times I can catch them before they get me.
I find them on my sorc, i find them on my templar, because I use counters that are available in my builds. Detect potions are not this giant hindrance like you claim.
You misunderstood me then. Taking Nightblades out of stealth is not the sole challenge. It's just, you act as though good nightblades instantly explode once revealed and I am telling you, this is false. You have other means to stay alive than cloak. Potent tools. Cloak is just the potent cherry on top.
If you're having a hard time killing gankers idk what to tell you. They are not that hard to kill, their defense is to cloak to evade you. So find them, when you can't find them you hold block...and you won't get ganked into oblivion. Pop a detect pot and hold block. You'll stay alive.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they need to do is change the effect of Shadow Cloak and Shadowy Disguise and make it more like Dark Cloak
Shadow Cloak: Reduces the casters detection radius by 10 meters
Shadowy Disguise: Reduces the casters detection radius by 10 meters and heals the caster for XXXX health per second
Dark Cloak: Applies minor protection and heals the Caster for XXXX health per second (Unchanged)
So basically you would choose between minor protection or a 10 meter detection reduction, having a detection radius reduction instead of outright invisibility would mean you could not auto-stealth in the middle of combat, for combat you would have the heal effect per second to make up for it, a lot of NBs fail to realize how good the heal of Dark Cloak is because they all use invisibility instead and have cornered themselves into believing an NB can only fight from stealth.
This is a very good compromise since it allows some better sneaking capabilities while adding healing that is needed, also I would think it also procs Armor buff still. Not bad.
Now lets fix Streak with by either only allowing stun at beginning or end of stream not stun everyone in the full range. And/or reduce range to 7m. And/or add 5 sec CD.
This topic was made and is being supported either by DKs that got nerfed and look for options to drag down any other class to keep themselves on the top shelf, either by people that have no knowledge whatsoever about how a pvp environment is supposed to work.
Also i see people crying that they want a fair chance to fight a NB. Well, once you detect him he is USELESS. There is no outcome in which a detected ganker is gonna win against you in a 1v1 unless you re straight bad at the game.
This topic was made and is being supported either by DKs that got nerfed and look for options to drag down any other class to keep themselves on the top shelf, either by people that have no knowledge whatsoever about how a pvp environment is supposed to work.
Also i see people crying that they want a fair chance to fight a NB. Well, once you detect him he is USELESS. There is no outcome in which a detected ganker is gonna win against you in a 1v1 unless you re straight bad at the game.
When the ganker gets out with their life, it is a win for them kind of.
This topic was made and is being supported either by DKs that got nerfed and look for options to drag down any other class to keep themselves on the top shelf, either by people that have no knowledge whatsoever about how a pvp environment is supposed to work.
Also i see people crying that they want a fair chance to fight a NB. Well, once you detect him he is USELESS. There is no outcome in which a detected ganker is gonna win against you in a 1v1 unless you re straight bad at the game.
When the ganker gets out with their life, it is a win for them kind of.
So basically this translates into : Make NBs useless because i get so frustrated that i am incapable of detecting them , even though the game provides ways of doing it (like MUST HAVE passive abilities such as Camo Hunter/Mage Light) and just because of my personal feel of impotence in failing to kill and ruin someone s experience i believe that they should be obliterated from existence.
I mean anyone can gank, DK's can leap from Orbit. People can outmaneuver people to single them out. You need to adjust your playstyle to address your current situation. If you're in a situation where you're getting dunked on by a specific class, you best be adapting to it.
NBs can definitely be annoying but we have the tools to address it. Try to be more adaptable.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
It was already mentioned here in this thread, but please, name any other class that requires a dedicated skill or potion to counter them?
Streak? Someone running away with streak is just someone running away. Let them run if you don't want to chase. And if they are using it offensively, they are still within attack range and you counter it with break free as you do with every other stun in the game.
Cloak however requires players to sacrifice bar slots or potion slots to counter the class. It's pretty ridiculous and it is the only class that has that requirement to counter it.