Cloak is the most OP skill out there. In combination with the passives, it’s the strongest defensive skill and provides a massive offensive boost. The only counter play is a resource intensive guessing game. With the ability to stack procs, either their target dies or they get away. So here’s the fix: “Barter with (whatever Elder Scrolls deity) to enter the shadow realm for 5 seconds at the cost of 20% of their max health, avoiding all ground effects and preventing all DoTs until revealed or the skill ends.” Remains a strong defensive skill with high offensive burst potential but adds a higher risk reward element that requires iLife to use rather than mindless spamming the moment anyone looks at them.
I still think giving it the same treatment as streak and dodge roll could work well- increase the cost the more you use it.
you ever thought about why magblades don‘t use the shadowy disguise morph anymore? if it is so great, why take a hot over it?
I still think giving it the same treatment as streak and dodge roll could work well- increase the cost the more you use it.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Applies mina lot of NBs fail to realize how good the heal of Dark Cloak is because they all use invisibility instead and have cornered themselves into believing an NB can only fight from stealth.
AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they need to do is change the effect of Shadow Cloak and Shadowy Disguise and make it more like Dark Cloak
Shadow Cloak: Reduces the casters detection radius by 10 meters
Shadowy Disguise: Reduces the casters detection radius by 10 meters and heals the caster for XXXX health per second
Dark Cloak: Applies minor protection and heals the Caster for XXXX health per second (Unchanged)
So basically you would choose between minor protection or a 10 meter detection reduction, having a detection radius reduction instead of outright invisibility would mean you could not auto-stealth in the middle of combat, for combat you would have the heal effect per second to make up for it, a lot of NBs fail to realize how good the heal of Dark Cloak is because they all use invisibility instead and have cornered themselves into believing an NB can only fight from stealth.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
DaggersKid wrote: »Cloak is the most OP skill out there. In combination with the passives, it’s the strongest defensive skill and provides a massive offensive boost. The only counter play is a resource intensive guessing game. With the ability to stack procs, either their target dies or they get away. So here’s the fix: “Barter with (whatever Elder Scrolls deity) to enter the shadow realm for 5 seconds at the cost of 20% of their max health, avoiding all ground effects and preventing all DoTs until revealed or the skill ends.” Remains a strong defensive skill with high offensive burst potential but adds a higher risk reward element that requires iLife to use rather than mindless spamming the moment anyone looks at them.
dodge roll and cloak is the only thing keeping stamblades alive and guess what they are still bottom tier atm especially in no proc (real pvp).
let’s look at stamblades:
- incap makes a really loud sound and has a cast time, so you‘ll never land it on a good player.
- soul tether mostly goes off after you died (lagg and bc cast time) or not off (cast time —> cc).
- the moment a nb cloaks without trying to run, a good enemy player will hold block or dodgeroll —> almost zero dmg done even with caluurion, especially none in no proc.
- everbody has flare for major protection. if you are that afraid of a nb just cast it on yourself and stand still holding block. literally nothing we can do with cloak.
- most enemies today don‘t even have to block or dodge for 3 reasons:
a) they have enough resistance, health and mitigation to even survive heavy attack, caluurion, frenzied, light attack dawnbreaker, medium attack, whirling blades combo and then they just heal to full health in 1-2 clicks.
b) most people play magplar or magdks. who hardcounter nbs. they have more sustain, more pressure, more heals and cloak is then only useful to maybe run away.
c) most skills of stamblades either won‘t go off or won‘t hit in lagg.
what does it bring us to survive a bit longer through cloak, if we can‘t do anything against decent players anyway?
so where does stamblade shine?
- surprising enemies and burst them down (like jump outta stealth into a 2 vs 2 and burst somebody with half health already).
- killing noobs (people we can still burst down)
- killing other stamblades
- running away like a chicken regretting not playing magdk or magplar.
you ever thought about why magblades don‘t use the shadowy disguise morph anymore? if it is so great, why take a hot over it?
as long as we don‘t play in a burst meta stamblade needs cloak to be atleast somewhat useful in making fair fights unfair and snatching kills…
Any other PvP players noticed that it is much harder to bump cloak user with AoEs after cloak patch?
I mean yeah it's dead easy with detection abilities atm, but my only problem with cloak is that sometimes you do AoE, it hits, enemy reapplies cloak instantly the same GCD and with enough movement speed it becomes a guessing game with very uneven result.
Ofc doesn't apply for sweeps as it's multi-hitter.
AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »AuraNebula wrote: »Okay if we are taking away cloak from NBs then we are taking away streak and shields from sorcs. We're taking away jabs and breath of life from templars. We're taking away coagulate and embers from DKs, we're taking frost cloak from wardens.
See what I mean? Stop trying to take away class identifying skills. NBs have already been nerfed quite enough. There are plenty of counters you can use if you don't like getting ganked. Once Caluurion gets nerfed you'll never see them again. Just like how solo Magicka nightblade tether bombers have disappeared from the game.
Stop beating a dead horse geez.
It will be Caluurion meta for at least another half year I guess. Seems ZoS has no interest in doing something about. I am surprised it wasn't even mentioned in this update.
Then ask for a nerf to Caluurion and stop asking to nerf NBs. Also if you don't like getting ganked slot detect pots. I use the spell CRIT detect. They work great and gankers usually are super squishy because they're on a glass cannon build. Just one shot them.
As someone who used to play a bomber. I miss it a lot and it's gone because of comments like this, all because people didn't want to use any counters.
Now we just have giant Zerg battles with tanky DKs and templars. Boring.
I didn't exactly ask for a nerf. And those "counters" (more like dedications) work only because the majority of Nightblades is one track minded and easy to surprise with the slightest resistance. Good nightblades usually know how to handle themselves.
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.
AuraNebula wrote: »
What class do you play? I guarantee you have a skill that you could use to find stealth nightblades. If getting ganked bothers you so much then run detect pots. It's not a whole build dedicated to finding nightblades by just using potions. And yes comments like this such as "NB stealth OP it's not fair" did get solo bombers deleted from the game.
Have you ever played a nightblade? Have you ever played a stealth character in another game? You are playing a niche play style that is a glass cannon. People just never want to die in Cyrodiil which is why we now have a tanky healing meta.