I am so incredibly SICK AND TIRED of rolling an end game DLC Dungeon with new players under 600 CP that are FAKE TANKS AND HEALERS. And don't know the mechanics of a dungeon.
Just today, I was finishing up weekly endeavors, and we landed in March of Sacrifices. The Tank was a fake NB, only had around 400 CP, Dual Wielding and using Whirling Blades for everything, no taunt. CONTINUED TO DIE TO TRASH MOBS. Did not engage in conversation in the group chat when people were trying to help them, or called them out on being a fake tank.
We got to the first boss, which is the sisters, and the team wiped over and over again. The others kept saying "WE CAN DO IT, IT'S ONLY NORMAL." Myself, and only one other person over a thousand Champion Ranks.
I was DPS, doing 80% of the group damage (CombatMetrics.)
I finally gave up and just left, which I absolutely hate doing.
We need harsher punishments for false roles if Zos wants to keep collecting money from me. It's getting so bad that the duty finder is an absolute chore to use. You pray and beg for an easy dungeon just to get it over with.
I've been playing since the closed betas, and I'm closing in on 3500 hours on again off again time, and I don't even want to play anymore because of this massive problem.
Grandchamp1989 wrote: »I know people say in PUG you get what you get, but people signed up for a ROLE que.
They signed up to fulfill a role.
I barely play normal, but even on vet the fake role is quite prominant.
I wish you could predict what role you would get more consistantly. The X factor should IMO be the skill gap between players, not wether or not people fulfill a role they signed up for, at its most basic level.
We need harsher punishments for false roles if Zos wants to keep collecting money from me. It's getting so bad that the duty finder is an absolute chore to use. You pray and beg for an easy dungeon just to get it over with.
The fake tanking and fake healing is real.
I can't count the number of times this past week that a fake tank queued without a taunt, died to bosses or even trash (
Falkreath Hold) or had fake healers who refused to heal the party.
My GF and I got so tired of it, I just went in as a tank (with a taunt) on my magplar, and she got on a low level toon and queued as a healer (who actually heals). This way we could circumvent some of the issues, but we still had the random 1800 CP DPS come in and run past us and leave the entire group behind.
Its really out of control. I know these players just want to get in, get their loot and get out..but the design of the game allows for this terrible behavior.
Had the game been designed like long standing MMORPGS where tanks are meant to tank everything, and healers are meant to heal, not DPS and DPS get 2/3 shot by trash mobs, then we would not have the problem we have today.
The fake tanking and fake healing is real.
I can't count the number of times this past week that a fake tank queued without a taunt, died to bosses or even trash (
Falkreath Hold) or had fake healers who refused to heal the party.
My GF and I got so tired of it, I just went in as a tank (with a taunt) on my magplar, and she got on a low level toon and queued as a healer (who actually heals). This way we could circumvent some of the issues, but we still had the random 1800 CP DPS come in and run past us and leave the entire group behind.
Its really out of control. I know these players just want to get in, get their loot and get out..but the design of the game allows for this terrible behavior.
Had the game been designed like long standing MMORPGS where tanks are meant to tank everything, and healers are meant to heal, not DPS and DPS get 2/3 shot by trash mobs, then we would not have the problem we have today.
You're not wrong. Ultimately the design of the game itself is the root cause.
you can't get a bad fake tank if YOU are the fake tank.
if you're capable of soloing the dungeon, just grab a taunt and queue as tank.
by taunting & staying alive, you'll do absolutely everything a real tank would need to do for a random normal.
relevant thread.
Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Then make a tank, that way you wont get any fake tank ever while on that character! Believe me it work marvelously!!! I did it myself and the result were almost instantaneous!! Please try it, i think you will be amazed on how well being the tank repel the fake tank from your group!
FeedbackOnly wrote: »Got to improve situation for tanks and healers. If you design content for just DPS...then you get what we got now.
People are faking roles because queue is too long and frankly tanks and healers aren't needed
I agree that the queue is too long. My friend and I queued as a healer and tank for Icereach and had to give up because the queue never popped. We duo'ed it instead, with one DPS and one healer. It was much more effective than duoing it with two DPS.
francesinhalover wrote: »What if zen sets a restriction like
"You can queue has healer if you don't have a restoration staff" or tank if you don't have sword n shield...
Snow_White wrote: »The only reason end gamers are queueing random normals is for the easy 10 transmutes.
Easiest way to reduce the power imbalance is to get rid of the easy transmutes in normal and incentivize us to queue for vet.
Do I get to yell at the fake DPS when I queue as an actual tank, in tank gear, and still do 50%+ of the DPS?
or when I queue as a real healer (with a resto staff!!) and do 80%+?
Suppose I queue as a Tank, on a DPS character.
1. I taunt literally everything and even group up mobs via LOS.
2. I do not die.
3. I keep agro of boss during fights.
4. I self sustain and heal myself.
Just because I'm wearing medium/light armor using dual wield/2h/bow/inferno staves, does that make me a fake tank?
Unironically curious at the answer. Or rather, the answer to "What qualifies as a tank?"
> I don't queue as fake heals, because I can't provide stam heals xD. (But what if you were a stamden with lots of aoe heals, but you're also a dps?). Keep in mind, these are questions for NORMAL DUNGEONS. Since I don't do veteran dungeons with randoms.