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Inspecting a Player!
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Isn't that the problem though? Literally most everyone in this thread is saying people would get kicked because of gear if it didn't live up to what others thought of as 'right' to be using, instead of being given the chance to prove if their gear actually works or not. Gear only partly matters, but many people treat the gear as be all end all. That's what people are trying to explain.PizzaCat82 wrote: »If it was as skill based as people say, builds wouldn't matter.
We already see this with CP. People will get booted because of low CP without even being given the chance to show whether they're able to competently complete the content, because too many people put too much stock by arbitrary numbers that ultimately reflect 0% on skill and 100% on how much time you've been playing. Allowing an Inspect option would allow for the exact same narrow-minded take on things; people would get kicked by too many people putting too much stock by arbitrary gear choices, without taking the time to see if a person can make that particular combination work.
People already have a hard time with doing group content in this game because people who feel like they have the right to determine what's 'best' and what's 'right', even if other gear and skill combinations work just as well. We don't need more ways of giving people the ability to control what another player uses. As has been said many times; if you're curious, then ask. Either you'll be told or you won't, it's not the end of the world either way.
I also find the idea of people 'gatekeeping' information somewhat hypocritical, with the arguments saying no one's build is unique or special in any way going on. If no one's build is unique, and if pretty much all builds have already been discovered, then...how is it possible to be gatekeeping that information?PC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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✭There are mods to see buffs and debuffs and such on a player but not sure there are any to see gear so yeah.0 -
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✭tl;dr all the comments but to sum up my opinion, No, period. We don't need that option. If we're pve'ing together then your only concern is whether I'm pulling my weight or not, you don't need to know what gear I'm using to do so. If you really want to know, then do the polite thing and ask and maybe I'll share that information. And if we're pvping then I certainly don't want you snooping through my gear to see what I'm using cause it's none of your business, play your own build and keep your nose out of mine.
That probably sounds harsher then I really mean it as but I always hated that feature in other games and I certainly don't want it to be added here.4 -
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ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh and my mod that shows buffs and debuffs also shows what class someone is their current and total hp and if they're above cp 810 it shows what their level above that is0 -
Wolf_Eye✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was previously in an MMO where they had this feature. But they also gave you the ability to "turn it off" so that other players COULDN'T see your gear.
IF it is made optional in the same way (in other words, you don't HAVE to let other players see your gear, you can toggle it off), then it should be relatively fine and not liable to be abused.
But I also don't see it as a big necessity, and I think I'd prefer ZOS focus on other things in the game than this.0 -
Infectious1X✭✭✭Sure, in PvE, I could see inspection being a problem, as you’ll have players immediately kicking those who aren’t wearing the “meta sets” for whatever content they’re attempting. PvP on the other hand is rather important so a player can figure out how the other guy is able to do whatever it is they’re doing.
For example, I fought a stamden the other day who was literally hitting consistent 4k cleaves against a minimum of 26k physical resistance. I have absolutely no clue how he’s getting that high of numbers, but that’s why an inspection system could be useful so I could figure out how.
I’m not going to assume he was cheating, but I’d like to know what exactly he’s wearing to achieve such high numbers as he was literally killing a 27k health, 26k physical resistance, Undeath passive, mark of the pariah NB in 3 seconds using only cleave, sub assault, and reverse.
All these “pro” players hiding their “secret builds” really just want a build that gives them an obvious advantage over others less “informed” than them. If they actually cared about skilled PvP/challenge, they wouldn’t care who used their builds as superior skill would determine who takes home the win, not a “super secret op build.” A player may have knowledge about a certain build, but that doesn’t mean they’ll know how to apply it correctly.
Like I said, in PvE I wouldn’t mind hiding it, but perhaps an inspection could be brought up in the death recap showing skill tool tips, gear sets/options, etc. This would really only apply in PvP as bosses/mobs are static and obviously don’t use different sets.Edited by Infectious1X on July 30, 2020 5:27AM1 -
TempPlayer✭✭✭✭✭Wait, you mean player as in the one sitting behind the controller/k&m? And not the character on screen?
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laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Infectious1X wrote: »Sure, in PvE, I could see inspection being a problem, as you’ll have players immediately kicking those who aren’t wearing the “meta sets” for whatever content they’re attempting. PvP on the other hand is rather important so a player can figure out how the other guy is able to do whatever it is they’re doing.
For example, I fought a stamden the other day who was literally hitting consistent 4k cleaves against a minimum of 26k physical resistance. I have absolutely no clue how he’s getting that high of numbers, but that’s why an inspection system could be useful so I could figure out how.
I’m not going to assume he was cheating, but I’d like to know what exactly he’s wearing to achieve such high numbers as he was literally killing a 27k health, 26k physical resistance, Undeath passive, mark of the pariah NB in 3 seconds using only cleave, sub assault, and reverse.
All these “pro” players hiding their “secret builds” really just want a build that gives them an obvious advantage over others less “informed” than them. If they actually cared about skilled PvP/challenge, they wouldn’t care who used their builds as superior skill would determine who takes home the win, not a “super secret op build.” A player may have knowledge about a certain build, but that doesn’t mean they’ll know how to apply it correctly.
Like I said, in PvE I wouldn’t mind hiding it, but perhaps an inspection could be brought up in the death recap showing skill tool tips, gear sets/options, etc. This would really only apply in PvP as bosses/mobs are static and obviously don’t use different sets.
How about figuring out sets yourself? There are sites online that list all sets.
It takes quite some time to makw a good pvp build and fine tuning is happening all the time.
If you want to have skilled gameplay, how about putting knowledge, time and trial and error into your build.
I wouldnt want my build infos freely accessable to everyone that i kill2 -
Infectious1X✭✭✭@laksikus Why are you implying that I have little knowledge on what sets to use? I found sets that work for me quite well in PvP. The issue isn’t what is or isn’t working for me, it’s figuring out how the other player was able to accomplish what they were able to accomplish.
I can theorycraft all day all I like, but it’s not going to tell me what they did and what they were using to do it. I’m literally just guessing.
I’m not sure why it matters if players in PvP know your build or not. To me, players that hide their builds are using those builds to carry them and are afraid of that knowledge getting out because it gives them an advantage over the “less informed.” You also make it sound like the build makes the player “skilled vs unskilled” when it’s literally just knowledge. A good player can easily be using inferior sets, thereby unknowingly gimping himself, whereas poor players can easily be using meta builds that allow them to perform much better than they realistically should.1 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭I strongly feel it is time ZOS added inspecting a player to the game. It's not always looked at for gear score we will be able to look at the gear styles and also to see what the gear score is
It would be nice to expose the many self proclaimed "PvP players" who join a campaign or BG with ZERO CRIT RESI and complain about dieing for lack of aid form their team...0 -
Infectious1X✭✭✭Another example of why it would be greatly beneficial is from a video of a dragon knight doing a 20k leap in a bg. Bg, as in No-CP. This high of a single, AoE ult. Now as viewers, we were able to understand how he got such an inflated leap, but from the perspective of the receiving player, they had absolutely no clue what the **** just happened.
All the receiving player knew is what killed him, but he has no clue how or why it was such an inflated number. He can’t see the sets, total buffs, weapon damage, etc. of the opposing player. All he sees is a death recap with a 20k leap. Most players are either going to immediately assume that leap is broken op, or that that DK was doing something suspicious to achieve what he was able to achieve.
If players can inspect what the other players’ sets and buffs were during their death recap, then they’d be able to come to an understanding for as to how their opponent was able to survive 5+ mins with seemingly op healing, or how they just hit with a 12k NB bow proc... they’d be able to learn from it, apply it themselves, or just overall get better since they have an increase of knowledge. Currently, players can either only assume what happened, or decide to call out something as broken (which one do you think is more commonly happening).Edited by Infectious1X on July 30, 2020 7:58AM1 -
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✭Infectious1X wrote: »Another example of why it would be greatly beneficial is from a video of a dragon knight doing a 20k leap in a bg. Bg, as in No-CP. This high of a single, AoE ult. Now as viewers, we were able to understand how he got such an inflated leap, but from the perspective of the receiving player, they had absolutely no clue what the **** just happened.
All the receiving player knew is what killed him, but he has no clue how or why it was such an inflated number. He can’t see the sets, total buffs, weapon damage, etc. of the opposing player. All he sees is a death recap with a 20k leap. Most players are either going to immediately assume that leap is broken op, or that that DK was doing something suspicious to achieve what he was able to achieve.
If players can inspect what the other players’ sets and buffs were during their death recap, then they’d be able to come to an understanding for as to how their opponent was able to survive 5+ mins with seemingly op healing, or how they just hit with a 12k NB bow proc... they’d be able to learn from it, apply it themselves, or just overall get better since they have an increase of knowledge. Currently, players can either only assume what happened, or decide to call out something as broken (which one do you think is more commonly happening).
TLDR : I'm bad so I need to see what people who kill me play so I can do the same.
Lul..
No ? Why would you have the right to spy the build of a guy who worked hard to make it work ? Do your own stop being lazy.
Their is plenty of build on youtube and internet if you'r lazy.
Their is 0 good argument for this stupid thing. In every game who did that competitive play die in pvp and pve end game became incredibly toxic.[ PC EU ]
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Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭as long as any request for an inspection automatically places the requester on both a global & indiviual block list
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Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
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Algorax✭✭✭✭So many ppl in this discussion genuinely believing that other players are in no place to judje them.
As Dagoth Ur would say:
"WHAT A GRAND AND INTOXICATING INNOCENCE!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M
Watch this and thank me later
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✭✭✭we will be able to look at the gear styles and also to see what the gear score is
Style? Just ask the player(s).
Gear? No. For all the pertinent reasons other forum members stated above."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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✭For outfit styles sure, why not. But as you can see most players don't want to share info about their builds but in end game pve nobody cares as all info is visible in logs.0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭on pc you can just turn on eso logs for 10 seconds upload it and see their full build including their skill bar setupMost OwOrated healer of all time0 -
Opalblade✭✭✭I almost always run non-meta gear setups, and I'd rather not be kicked for it before I even get a chance to fight. There are too many people out there who act like meta builds are the only ones that work. Also, while I don't really have anything worth copying in PvP just yet, I still don't want some random lazy person snooping around my builds.0 -
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✭✭There's people in this thread that would insta-quit the game if their super secret masterpiece that allows them to 3 shot (or survive 10 people) in PVP were discovered.
The fact that us scrubs get a kill feed at all is too much for them. It should just show a screen that says "get good"
Personally, I'm all for adding a screen to kill feeds on what the person who did the attack was wearing. Killed by 5 people in your feed? You get a link to each of their attacks.
But then we go back to this:
And that is a good point. When you can't kill scrubs in PVP or duels anymore, the game isn't as fun for you. But then I remember that the meta will change, or you will find a different build.. and you'll get use out of something new. And I don't feel so bad.Why do you deserve to see someone's build0 -
kypranb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭A player inspection system would be fine if:
- It could be toggled On/Off
- It defaulted to "Off"
- While set to Off, it could still show cosmetic styles while hiding equipped gear.
- While we're at it, give the option to display achievement score, also with a toggle of course! Also defaulting to off.
I believe that this would clear up any issue with those who don't want a feature like this.0 -
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✭Infectious1X wrote: »@laksikus Why are you implying that I have little knowledge on what sets to use? I found sets that work for me quite well in PvP. The issue isn’t what is or isn’t working for me, it’s figuring out how the other player was able to accomplish what they were able to accomplish.
I can theorycraft all day all I like, but it’s not going to tell me what they did and what they were using to do it. I’m literally just guessing.
I’m not sure why it matters if players in PvP know your build or not. To me, players that hide their builds are using those builds to carry them and are afraid of that knowledge getting out because it gives them an advantage over the “less informed.” You also make it sound like the build makes the player “skilled vs unskilled” when it’s literally just knowledge. A good player can easily be using inferior sets, thereby unknowingly gimping himself, whereas poor players can easily be using meta builds that allow them to perform much better than they realistically should.
Im implying that he has a better knowledge of sets than you. your set might work. his set is clearly working better.
otherwise you would use his sets on your stamden and not ask for a free build on the forums
I main a bombblade. and yes there are build out there that work quite good. But is it bis? or am i using that build? ofc not. Im using something that works even better, cos i but time into the build.
I dont share my build publicly cos, why would I? I put time and effort into it. nobody is entitled to know exactly what my build is.
i just dont see why anyone should benefit from my work and knowledge without my consent
If someone wants to know the build, he can either ask me and i might share it, if im in a good mood. or he can put the time and effort into his research. NB skill line is public, as are all the sets, and even all available buffs and debuffs.
if he cant reproduce a good result, its on him
And im not scared to have an unfair advantage.
1. I have about 3k hours in my bombblade, and i dont know many bombers that are on par with me. some new guy will have to put serious hours into bombing to come even close
2. Im nearly never in aposition to get bombed, cos i know how to not stand in stupid stacks
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