Inspecting a Player!

biovitalb16_ESO

Why ? Everyone wears the same boring meta sets as everyone else.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

L_Nici wrote: »

That wouldn't be a good thing. Especially in high level PvP people tend to hide their builds, so they won't get copied. A lot of them are very special setups a normal player wouldn't even think about.

no offence, but pvp is not ment to be about stuff most of the time you can guess what gear sets, its about player skill, might as well ask them to tell you what skills and rotation as well

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

all i would say hell no!!! might as well see everything, skills, rotation, my gear set up allows me to take on ball groups with high dps and last, this a big no no, iam not meta btw and i only tell guild members, iam soz to say, if you need to know peeps set up for pvp then maybe??? as it is pvp is about having 4=50 on 1 person why give them more to get cheese kills

LioraValkyrie

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I play a lot of Monster Hunter: World which has the inspect gear option, and I have never known anyone to use it for anything but to help out and offer suggestions. Like any game, it has griefers, but they don't suddenly become griefers because you can inspect each others' gear.

There have been a few times using ESO Logs that I have been able to spot, for example, a magicka player using 3x weapon damage glyphs and had no idea that their gear was holding them back and pointing this out was very much appreciated.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

LioraValkyrie wrote: »

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I play a lot of Monster Hunter: World which has the inspect gear option, and I have never known anyone to use it for anything but to help out and offer suggestions. Like any game, it has griefers, but they don't suddenly become griefers because you can inspect each others' gear.

There have been a few times using ESO Logs that I have been able to spot, for example, a magicka player using 3x weapon damage glyphs and had no idea that their gear was holding them back and pointing this out was very much appreciated.

it will be used for isolating peeps, and after the upcoming update peeps will get kick from groups in pve, because gold is going to become more of a need, if we take the shadow, purple increase crit damage by 11% and in gold its 19% an 8% difference, alot in the game cant afford to gold out everytime there is a new set out, and for pvp, there is no way i want an player from knowing what gear set iam using when fighting them

Infectious1X

Aznarb wrote: »

Infectious1X wrote: »

Another example of why it would be greatly beneficial is from a video of a dragon knight doing a 20k leap in a bg. Bg, as in No-CP. This high of a single, AoE ult. Now as viewers, we were able to understand how he got such an inflated leap, but from the perspective of the receiving player, they had absolutely no clue what the **** just happened.

All the receiving player knew is what killed him, but he has no clue how or why it was such an inflated number. He can’t see the sets, total buffs, weapon damage, etc. of the opposing player. All he sees is a death recap with a 20k leap. Most players are either going to immediately assume that leap is broken op, or that that DK was doing something suspicious to achieve what he was able to achieve.

If players can inspect what the other players’ sets and buffs were during their death recap, then they’d be able to come to an understanding for as to how their opponent was able to survive 5+ mins with seemingly op healing, or how they just hit with a 12k NB bow proc... they’d be able to learn from it, apply it themselves, or just overall get better since they have an increase of knowledge. Currently, players can either only assume what happened, or decide to call out something as broken (which one do you think is more commonly happening).

TLDR : I'm bad so I need to see what people who kill me play so I can do the same.
Lul..

No ? Why would you have the right to spy the build of a guy who worked hard to make it work ? Do your own stop being lazy.
Their is plenty of build on youtube and internet if you'r lazy.
Their is 0 good argument for this stupid thing. In every game who did that competitive play die in pvp and pve end game became incredibly toxic.

Quite the contrary. There is 0 good arguments against it other than “I enjoy my privacy(?),” which is a pathetic argument. You act as if people knowing about your build would somehow make you a worse PvPer, when it LITERALLY has no affect on you (unless your build is carrying you). Quite a few PvPers are more than willing to share their builds and they’re not randomly starting to suck.

I literally stated why there is an argument to be made, but you’re just too stubborn and ignorant to apparently understand anything I said. You claim it’s somehow “laziness” when that is a *** poor argument and doesn’t even make sense. How am I lazy for wanting to do the research to find out how someone killed me with a 16k NB bow proc? You act as if the whole intention of this is to copy builds, when that’s obviously not the case and even if it were, how does that affect you personally?

You claim this game is “competitive,” and yet you deliberately hide your build. Why is that? You and others claim your build isn’t carrying you, but if that was the case, then why would it matter if others knew about it? If you are as good as you think you are, then those “lesser” PvPers “copying” your build still wouldn’t stand a chance anyways.

Most of yours and others’ arguments against this are full of irony and hypocrisy.

Infectious1X

laksikus wrote: »

Infectious1X wrote: »

@laksikus Why are you implying that I have little knowledge on what sets to use? I found sets that work for me quite well in PvP. The issue isn’t what is or isn’t working for me, it’s figuring out how the other player was able to accomplish what they were able to accomplish.

I can theorycraft all day all I like, but it’s not going to tell me what they did and what they were using to do it. I’m literally just guessing.

I’m not sure why it matters if players in PvP know your build or not. To me, players that hide their builds are using those builds to carry them and are afraid of that knowledge getting out because it gives them an advantage over the “less informed.” You also make it sound like the build makes the player “skilled vs unskilled” when it’s literally just knowledge. A good player can easily be using inferior sets, thereby unknowingly gimping himself, whereas poor players can easily be using meta builds that allow them to perform much better than they realistically should.

Im implying that he has a better knowledge of sets than you. your set might work. his set is clearly working better.
otherwise you would use his sets on your stamden and not ask for a free build on the forums

I main a bombblade. and yes there are build out there that work quite good. But is it bis? or am i using that build? ofc not. Im using something that works even better, cos i but time into the build.
I dont share my build publicly cos, why would I? I put time and effort into it. nobody is entitled to know exactly what my build is.
i just dont see why anyone should benefit from my work and knowledge without my consent

If someone wants to know the build, he can either ask me and i might share it, if im in a good mood. or he can put the time and effort into his research. NB skill line is public, as are all the sets, and even all available buffs and debuffs.
if he cant reproduce a good result, its on him

And im not scared to have an unfair advantage.
1. I have about 3k hours in my bombblade, and i dont know many bombers that are on par with me. some new guy will have to put serious hours into bombing to come even close
2. Im nearly never in aposition to get bombed, cos i know how to not stand in stupid stacks

Again, here we go with the whole “I put time into my build, therefore I’m OBVIOUSLY more skilled/deserve to be more skilled.” So because you did a little bit of research to figure out what does and does not work for you, then that gives you random entitlement for privacy (build privacy, what does that even mean!?) to a build that others may or may not copy? Again, why does it matter? How does it personally affect you? You act as if the time you invested into researching a build is somehow wasted just because people gain information about it. This isn’t theft.

You have the same reading skills as the guy above. This isn’t about copying builds (which, like I said, shouldn’t matter anyways even if it was). It’s about figuring out how you died, how they got their numbers, how many buffs they had at the time of your death, etc. How is this not valuable information to have? True competitive games will ALWAYS display this kind of information, so as to provide counterplay and general knowledge gain for future engagements.

I just don’t understand the mentality that “privacy” to your gear somehow = skill. You’re not deserving of a higher mmr bracket just because you did a few more hours of research than the majority of players. PvP is about who has more skill, not who has the better build. It’s like you think the name of the game is to create the most “unique” or “super omega secret” build possible and that “losing the build to the public” squanders all that “hard work.” Your main purpose in creating a build is to find what works best for you. Others copying it won’t kill you. They’re not stealing your “precious work.” Regardless, this isn’t even the main point of my argument anyways as I don’t give a **** about copying your “special build.

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