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Urvoth wrote: »

You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.

Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.

Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.

It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.

First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.

Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.

You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.

Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.

You said that this event's rewards are aimed at PvEers, as most PvPers would have no interest in them. I merely pointed out that's not true because 'PvPers' can also have more interest than just killing players

People shouldn't *have* to do anything in a game unless they want to, we can agree on that (at least as long as they're playing solo). Fortunately, they don't in ESO, there're plenty of activities for all sorts of gameplay and there's nothing objectively forcing them into any one kind of content.

The style pages from most events go pretty cheap from what I've seen. So not sure why anyone would bother farming them. There's a lot more valuable stuff to farm hell try out the latest expansion a lot of stuff from that is going for a lot.

Nah, those style pages, right now are going for almost 100k. But like most new releases, they are extremely high up initially but they ALL die down to below 10k for the most part. No matter if its PvP drops or PvE drops. And that was the latest MM and TC info, of course as far as pricing of anything goes, its changes with the wind and certainly dies down after enough time has passed.

I have to wonder who would actually pay that much for them. Though then again I've seen stuff from Greymoor going for high pricings. But how many actually pay that much for them? Would be easy to just wait for price to go down.

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Magdalina wrote: »

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Urvoth wrote: »

You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.

Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.

Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.

It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.

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majulook wrote: »

Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.

I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.

I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.

For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.

Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.

I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.

Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.

Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.

So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?

Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.

As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.

It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.

ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!

If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.

Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?

I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..

Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!

I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.

But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.

We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.

My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.

of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.

And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event

You know, they don't wear an 'I'm here for PvE only' signs either...is it the PvPer's duty to carefully check what they're doing first? Low rank isn't showing anything, might just be a new character. Even questing isn't showing anything, everyone is doing quests for tickets now, but PvPers are all for fighting players while doing it. What is it you're supposed to do, jump around and wait to see if they choose to engage in a fight?

I did that yesterday. Someone was low rank and didn't attack on sight so I didn't either. They ran away and 2 minutes later they came back with 5 of their friends and happily zerged me down (I haven't PvP'd for like 3 years so I'm kinda rusty, it probably wasn't impossible to kill them all anyway). Because apparently 'I don't wanna PvP' only goes for NvN scenarios, 5*NvN they can suddenly PvP just fine.
This is not a one time scenario, this has happened several times. Low rank people shying away from 1v1 encounters but happily zerging you down on sight with friends a minute later.

Don't portray poor lonely PvEers as the ultimate victim here. They're not some innocent martyrs cruelly forced into an unpleasant experience, they're people who willingly chose to partake in it, and a lot of them are being op hypocritical about it with this 'can't PvP 1v1 but sure can 5v1' attitude.

No, it isn't. But there are areas where people would only go for questing even in cyrodil (heck there are entire towns just for that) and as I pointed out some have bragged about how they would target pvers and some wanted to do so to force them to leave. When someone fully admits they intend to target pvers and I saw a fair few bragging about this can we say that they are indeed not doing this? I mean if they're near a keep or something sure assume that they're going to do something.

Yes, that is PvP whether PVEer are participating or not...Hate to inform you, but aholes exist in the anonymity that is the internet and all the online gaming. We had players on our side grab the scroll that my group worked hard to get after taking keeps, and the run it to another alliance and/or just troll around with it....And PvPers also experience, 1000x more so, the infamous gankers that set up in towns, near rss or keeps to get the unsuspecting player. Doesn't matter whether they are a hardcore PvPer, PvEer or in-between. Theses aholes are even in PVE. Guildmate, during a Vet MoL run, had some jerk ask for lead to invite the much needed tank after the orginally had to leave. Said jerk KICKED everyone in group then invited a bunch of prospects to get gold from for completing MoL on Vet....luckily for him they didn't succeed (lol). I have had ppl in Vet dungeons purposely sabotage boss fights till everyone quit. While I do feel PvP, cuz its nature, has more of these toxic players, PVE definitely isn't free of this shite.

Oh the scroll trolls yeah...I've done enough of cyrodiil to know about those types. I really wish ZOS would do something about that sort of behavior. And of course arseholes exist everywhere but for the most part you can just ignore them in PVE. And for dungeon runs I can always ask friends to do them with me I prefer it that way anyway to do it with people I know or friends of friends.

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.

I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.

I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.

For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.

Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.

I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.

Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.

Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.

So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?

Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.

As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.

It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.

ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!

If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.

Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?

I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..

Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!

I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.

But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.

We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.

My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.

of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.

And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event

You know, they don't wear an 'I'm here for PvE only' signs either...is it the PvPer's duty to carefully check what they're doing first? Low rank isn't showing anything, might just be a new character. Even questing isn't showing anything, everyone is doing quests for tickets now, but PvPers are all for fighting players while doing it. What is it you're supposed to do, jump around and wait to see if they choose to engage in a fight?

I did that yesterday. Someone was low rank and didn't attack on sight so I didn't either. They ran away and 2 minutes later they came back with 5 of their friends and happily zerged me down (I haven't PvP'd for like 3 years so I'm kinda rusty, it probably wasn't impossible to kill them all anyway). Because apparently 'I don't wanna PvP' only goes for NvN scenarios, 5*NvN they can suddenly PvP just fine.
This is not a one time scenario, this has happened several times. Low rank people shying away from 1v1 encounters but happily zerging you down on sight with friends a minute later.

Don't portray poor lonely PvEers as the ultimate victim here. They're not some innocent martyrs cruelly forced into an unpleasant experience, they're people who willingly chose to partake in it, and a lot of them are being op hypocritical about it with this 'can't PvP 1v1 but sure can 5v1' attitude.

No, it isn't. But there are areas where people would only go for questing even in cyrodil (heck there are entire towns just for that) and as I pointed out some have bragged about how they would target pvers and some wanted to do so to force them to leave. When someone fully admits they intend to target pvers and I saw a fair few bragging about this can we say that they are indeed not doing this? I mean if they're near a keep or something sure assume that they're going to do something.

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Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Shokner wrote: »

Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »

No one is forcing you to PVP. THe rewards your get, minus the double AP, are PURELY cosmetic...it won't help you make that Vet dungeon run of March of Sacrifices better, it won't help you heal and mitigate damage from Lord Falgravan in Aegis Trial. These events are PURELY cosmetic. Complaining as a PVEer or PvPer is a waste of time. Its money for ZoS, plain and simple. If you want cosmetics, than you need to expand your horizons. I was 100% a PVEer only, but (minus the infinite amount of bugs Cyrodiil has, can't lie about that) I grew to enjoy PvP and the comradery or in some case the greater rivalry that can take place. These events are optional. Nothing you can do about it except participate or not to participate.

Sort of doesn't make sense can you name another way as to get this cosmetic which everyone understands gives no other benefit to the game. This means your forced to play it if you really want it unless they run another event during the year that gives the opportunity to get this cosmetic for non pvpers.

Like buy them with crowns?or gold from guild store?

PvE player are so spoiled,every game they need to complain about PvP even if is just for a cosmetic.

I want all the monster set,arena weapon skin,player skin,motif and title from PvE without do any form of PvE why i can't talk it out with boss in the dungeon with my high carisma and tell them to just give me the loot?
PvE DLC should just be removed from the game!

Sound stupid right?because that is what most PvE player argument sound,stupid as hell.

Also to the guy saying PvPer don't care about cosmetic you are so wrong,the difference is PvPer don't cry at every thing that is outside their main content.

Now point me to the store page you can buy the indirk with out the lucky dip crate please. I think you miss the point pvpers do pve events no hassle all the op is saying to me is it seems a bit unfair you need to do events against people who do pvp all the time and or setup with characters to hold there own, but not just them allot of players new to the game won't understand the gankers mentality out there they see that as the normal pvp game.

only the indrik stuffis out of the guild store and you are not forced to take it,it does nothing to enhance your gameplay is just a cosmetic unlike some gear behind PvE
And you can buy event ticket with crown still which require 0 PvP.

And if you REALLY need it then you can lose 30 min of your time do 2 daily quest that require literally 5 min to complete if no one attack you,also you can make some inv potion or basic gear to make it easier to complete the quest without the need to engage in a PvP fight.

Is not unfair if i have to learn PvE boss mechanics learn what gear/skill is good in PvE to take something from PvE like a monster set that is a must for some build unlike a pet/mount that is just a vanity item.
If i can learn a PvE boss then you can waste some of your time to do 2 daily quest that are PvE not even asking you to kill players and that are super easy to complete.

If anything is more unfair to me asking a PvPer to do some DLC vet dungeon for some gear that are just a bit higher in difficulty than just go around to complete 2 quest that require 0 effort.

But unlike some people i either do the PvE stuff and get what i need,wait and hope the RNG god help me with the golden vendor or i deal with it and try to make work my build with what i got without crying on the forum at every things that does not go my way or suit my play style.

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Shokner wrote: »

Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »

No one is forcing you to PVP. THe rewards your get, minus the double AP, are PURELY cosmetic...it won't help you make that Vet dungeon run of March of Sacrifices better, it won't help you heal and mitigate damage from Lord Falgravan in Aegis Trial. These events are PURELY cosmetic. Complaining as a PVEer or PvPer is a waste of time. Its money for ZoS, plain and simple. If you want cosmetics, than you need to expand your horizons. I was 100% a PVEer only, but (minus the infinite amount of bugs Cyrodiil has, can't lie about that) I grew to enjoy PvP and the comradery or in some case the greater rivalry that can take place. These events are optional. Nothing you can do about it except participate or not to participate.

Sort of doesn't make sense can you name another way as to get this cosmetic which everyone understands gives no other benefit to the game. This means your forced to play it if you really want it unless they run another event during the year that gives the opportunity to get this cosmetic for non pvpers.

Like buy them with crowns?or gold from guild store?

PvE player are so spoiled,every game they need to complain about PvP even if is just for a cosmetic.

I want all the monster set,arena weapon skin,player skin,motif and title from PvE without do any form of PvE why i can't talk it out with boss in the dungeon with my high carisma and tell them to just give me the loot?
PvE DLC should just be removed from the game!

Sound stupid right?because that is what most PvE player argument sound,stupid as hell.

Also to the guy saying PvPer don't care about cosmetic you are so wrong,the difference is PvPer don't cry at every thing that is outside their main content.

Now point me to the store page you can buy the indirk with out the lucky dip crate please. I think you miss the point pvpers do pve events no hassle all the op is saying to me is it seems a bit unfair you need to do events against people who do pvp all the time and or setup with characters to hold there own, but not just them allot of players new to the game won't understand the gankers mentality out there they see that as the normal pvp game.

only the indrik stuffis out of the guild store and you are not forced to take it,it does nothing to enhance your gameplay is just a cosmetic unlike some gear behind PvE
And you can buy event ticket with crown still which require 0 PvP.

And if you REALLY need it then you can lose 30 min of your time do 2 daily quest that require literally 5 min to complete if no one attack you,also you can make some inv potion or basic gear to make it easier to complete the quest without the need to engage in a PvP fight.

Is not unfair if i have to learn PvE boss mechanics learn what gear/skill is good in PvE to take something from PvE like a monster set that is a must for some build unlike a pet/mount that is just a vanity item.
If i can learn a PvE boss then you can waste some of your time to do 2 daily quest that are PvE not even asking you to kill players and that are super easy to complete.

If anything is more unfair to me asking a PvPer to do some DLC vet dungeon for some gear that are just a bit higher in difficulty than just go around to complete 2 quest that require 0 effort.

But unlike some people i either do the PvE stuff and get what i need,wait and hope the RNG god help me with the golden vendor or i deal with it and try to make work my build with what i got without crying on the forum at every things that does not go my way or suit my play style.

You seem to be hung up on this a bit let me make it clear a gain "I and other players understand there cosmetic" 90% of the game is cosmetic there's a huge difference to beating an in game boss to taking on a real person you can train a chimp to beatin an in game boss , the reason the majority of pve players are coming to do the event is the Indrik doing huge walls of text to make an argument about whether pve or pvp is best makes no sense to the op's dislike to feeling forced to pvp.