This event...

ZaroktheImmortal

Also note that now there are several more instances of the pvp campaigns(although I may be wrong it actually looks like less than when the event started) and now most of them have taken a nosedive in people in each one.

Shokner

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Again increase your reading comprension skill because is terrible.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration, it would cost them millions. It still probably wouldn't change anything, but it would make ME feel good. "

Had to write it gain because apparently you forget things fairly quickly and even then stopping even one sub because an event is not suited for you is a childish and spoiled behaviour,plain and simple.

This is A PvP event you need to expect to be killed by other player's,dosen't matter if you are a PvE player you still give AP and in IC also Telvar Stones that's enough to get killed by the enemy faction and the fact that if you come in a PvP area then you will need to PVP in some occasion like it or not that's a fact not a opinion.
Also people are camping spot even when there is no event,why?people that are returning to base without the stones of recall might give you a nice amount of Telvar stone(taking your example of people camping sewer entrance)

And if getting killed ruin your expirience then don't go in a PvP area or atleast not alone,really is that simple but better complain about things because is not how you want them to be.

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he dosen't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

Mate don't want to take this there but your beating me with experience some one once wrote never argue with an idiot they'll always beat you with experience well done you achieved it.

You can't make wild assumptions mate he never said any of what you wrote ffs read it properly, if he does or does not cancel it won't make any difference to zos you can throw wild figures around all day long all you've done is try to post absolute rubbish.

Dusk_Coven

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.

I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.

I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.

For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.

Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.

I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.

You can definitely vote with your dollars by cancelling any subscription you have.
And every time Midyear Mayhem shows up structured in this manner, voice your opinion until ZOS finally gets it and does things differently.

Dusk_Coven

Sarannah wrote: »

… And that we have to farm bosses in a pvp environment(IC) to try and get outfit pages which hardly ever seem to drop. Yet are the only thing worthwhile.

Worthwhile? In the eye of the beholder I guess.
The chainmail one had promise but open toe... and the rest of the outfit looking like Santa's pajamas...

Plus they are still having us wave Legion Zero's banners proudly for Molag Bal.

Dusk_Coven

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

killingspreeb16_ESO

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah saying that people should stop paying for eso+ because the poor guy feel forced to PvP when is not even required is not totally a spoiled behaviour /facepalm.

Maybe you should read what he said more than one time since apparently your reading comprension skill is not that good.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration"
In case you missed what he said.

And yes is an excuse dosen't matter if the main selling point of the game is PvE(in the past was PvP) if the event is PvP then expect to do some PvP.

Asking thing to be changed to suit your way or to stop paying for eso+ only because 2 time a year happen a PvP event for PvPer is a spoiled and stupid behaviour.
Especially if there are other way to get stuff from the event as i alredy mentioned.

I can only imagine if you had to go in the top 100(not even 10)leaderbord of PvP to get some items for PvE how much you guys would complain.

Right lets make clear for you reading obviously isn't your strong point, I highlighted in bold his main points.
First we'll deal with this rant you keep saying about demanding people stop paying for eso+ I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior were is he demanding me you or anybody else stops payment? I does not = we, you, all, everybody it's singular.

Two separate areas are there for a reason those who enjoy taking on human players have there own little safe area but i still read many posts from pvpers about his main reason I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience. I read tons of posts from pvpers about other players who camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people if pvpers complain about these very same things how do you expect pve player to deal with it?

And for the love of God I can not find were he rants about cancelling these pvp events and nor should they be cancelled please point out in this post where he demands there cancelled!

He feels forced because he has to endure child like people who just want to ruin the game for people. Why are these types of players if there so hot at the game and on top as pvpers not defending, attacking city's, scouting and all the other things they could be doing to help there team wasting time going around targeting things that have no way of winning the campaign or achieving the teams goal? So yes he feels forced to either enter pvp or give zos ridiculous amounts of money for a pixel item they know people want this Indrik mount.

Crying? all i see is he dose not much care to come up against the morons who spoil the pvp side, event or not and who the very same pvpers complain about.

Again increase your reading comprension skill because is terrible.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration, it would cost them millions. It still probably wouldn't change anything, but it would make ME feel good. "

Had to write it gain because apparently you forget things fairly quickly and even then stopping even one sub because an event is not suited for you is a childish and spoiled behaviour,plain and simple.

This is A PvP event you need to expect to be killed by other player's,dosen't matter if you are a PvE player you still give AP and in IC also Telvar Stones that's enough to get killed by the enemy faction and the fact that if you come in a PvP area then you will need to PVP in some occasion like it or not that's a fact not a opinion.
Also people are camping spot even when there is no event,why?people that are returning to base without the stones of recall might give you a nice amount of Telvar stone(taking your example of people camping sewer entrance)

And if getting killed ruin your expirience then don't go in a PvP area or atleast not alone,really is that simple but better complain about things because is not how you want them to be.

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he dosen't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

majulook wrote: »
Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

It exists.

It dosen't matter how he feel because no one if forcing him to do the event,getting killed in PvP is normal deal with it,if your ego can't accept the fact that in PvP youre not "the hero of tamriel" maybe just don't play this event simple as that.

And if i want to go to bruma to PvP during this event then i go to bruma and kill people there,be it other PvPer,gankers or PvEer.
The fact that some people think they should be left alone because they don't like PVP and if you kill them youre a child,toxic PvPer,troll or whatever you want is the actual childish behaviour.

Well given most of the pve players aren't hunting telvar and only going for quests and maybe at times bosses they haven't killed for the achievements it's unlikely they'd have many. This isn't about getting telvar it's just pissing people off for their own petty amusement. Fact is Cyrodil usually sits on one bar yet more at an event yet you have multiple bars of just gankers and zergs killing off pvers. It's almost as if some pvp players wanted to drive people away from pvp. They don't want pvers or people who just want to get the stuff done there? Well then this is all the more argument for not having a pvp event if any. It wasn't as bad first day it was mostly a few gankers here but they were easily dealt with as the event went on it went to full zergs to take out pvers cause seems some pvpers didn't do too well at ganking the pvers so had to bring a group of their buddies who are equally as moronic so they can feel better about their sad little lives 'omg look I killed someone in a game with my buddies who isn't even geared or speced to this but I'm sooo cool'. If someone has to specifically target pvers then they're probably not that great in pvp or they'd be looking for a challenge instead of hoping for an easy gank. And speaking of egos I had one of the gankers hate whisper me. And funnily the gankers always seem to run if they're losing. One even kept trying to gank me almost died went invisible tried again went invisible rinse repeat till I killed him before he could vanish again and I was in light armour geared as a pve healer that's not even that great of a set. What's childish behavior is the fact that some are specifically targeting pvers and that some think it being an issue that they're already somewhere they don't want to be and now being targeted by zerg mobs specifically targeting them is childish. If you think that it should be 'pvp or don't go there' then again that's an argument for not having a pvp event. If that's how the pvp side see the pve side well then they don't deserve an event if they behave like childish trolls to the people new to pvp.

Yeah no,in IC i killed various People some of them where PvEer and gave me more than 1k stone,one time i got 33k telvar stone from a guy that was clearly a PvEer Both PvPer/PvEer can give you nice amount of telvar.

This argument of getting killed to *** people off is stupid,sure some people might do it for that other's for free AP but if i see you and kill you is not because i want to ruin your day but if you are in a PvP area then if i choose to fight you i will do that.
I don't care if you are a PvEer and you don't bring your PvP stuff that's your choice and you will likely face a problem for that choice.
Before the event you had the time to prepare a PvP set up and maybe learn it a bit to fight back sometime you might also win since not every player you find is a PvPer or a good one,also gankers are full dmg,super squshy with no sustain and most of the time they are just bad,playing one shot build will bring you only that far as soon you know they are in the area they are useless.

I will use the same example i did before,if i want to get one of the new monster set in the new Vet dungeon then i guess what i have to do?Read a guide about the dungeon,bring my PvE set level up the skill i need for PvE and maybe even do some run in normal to get a better understanding of the said dungeon before doing it in a Vet Mode since they are not a cake walk esp in a pug group.
I can't expect to go in the last PvE dungeon with my PvP gear with no information about what those boss do and expect to do it in 15 min with no wipe and get all i need as if it was overland PvE.

Same logic apply to PvP,if you want to have a better time in PvP then learn some basic stuff,make some PvP gear and level up skill that are helpfull in PvP and you can always make a group to do those quest.
You can't expect that people leave you be just because you want it that way or expect to win without any effort form your part.

But whatever have it your way i lost alredy to much time try to explain things to people that clearly don't want to understand but want things changed for their taste.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Again increase your reading comprension skill because is terrible.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration, it would cost them millions. It still probably wouldn't change anything, but it would make ME feel good. "

Had to write it gain because apparently you forget things fairly quickly and even then stopping even one sub because an event is not suited for you is a childish and spoiled behaviour,plain and simple.

This is A PvP event you need to expect to be killed by other player's,dosen't matter if you are a PvE player you still give AP and in IC also Telvar Stones that's enough to get killed by the enemy faction and the fact that if you come in a PvP area then you will need to PVP in some occasion like it or not that's a fact not a opinion.
Also people are camping spot even when there is no event,why?people that are returning to base without the stones of recall might give you a nice amount of Telvar stone(taking your example of people camping sewer entrance)

And if getting killed ruin your expirience then don't go in a PvP area or atleast not alone,really is that simple but better complain about things because is not how you want them to be.

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he dosen't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

Mate don't want to take this there but your beating me with experience some one once wrote never argue with an idiot they'll always beat you with experience well done you achieved it.

You can't make wild assumptions mate he never said any of what you wrote ffs read it properly, if he does or does not cancel it won't make any difference to zos you can throw wild figures around all day long all you've done is try to post absolute rubbish.

I guess the fact your reading comprension skill is terrible is getting you worked up but don't worry you can still always learn .

Is not a wild assumptions since he clearly said that he would stop paying for eso+ if he could for the event and that he would feel good if many other would do the same is enought o get that if the event get canceled/changed for his taste he would not complain since he could get what he want without PvP in his way.

But keep living in your parallel dimension.

UGotBenched91

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.

I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.

I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.

For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.

Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.

I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.

I never understood this argument. So, PVE players shouldn’t be forced to do any PVP to unlock rewards in a PVP event? Yet there are so many PVE events were PVP people have to run the same dungeons or bosses over and over again.

Also, do BG quests and you don’t have to worry about getting ganged. Takes 8 minutes and usually 1 match to get the 1,000 points for quest.

ZaroktheImmortal

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah saying that people should stop paying for eso+ because the poor guy feel forced to PvP when is not even required is not totally a spoiled behaviour /facepalm.

Maybe you should read what he said more than one time since apparently your reading comprension skill is not that good.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration"
In case you missed what he said.

And yes is an excuse dosen't matter if the main selling point of the game is PvE(in the past was PvP) if the event is PvP then expect to do some PvP.

Asking thing to be changed to suit your way or to stop paying for eso+ only because 2 time a year happen a PvP event for PvPer is a spoiled and stupid behaviour.
Especially if there are other way to get stuff from the event as i alredy mentioned.

I can only imagine if you had to go in the top 100(not even 10)leaderbord of PvP to get some items for PvE how much you guys would complain.

Right lets make clear for you reading obviously isn't your strong point, I highlighted in bold his main points.
First we'll deal with this rant you keep saying about demanding people stop paying for eso+ I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior were is he demanding me you or anybody else stops payment? I does not = we, you, all, everybody it's singular.

Two separate areas are there for a reason those who enjoy taking on human players have there own little safe area but i still read many posts from pvpers about his main reason I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience. I read tons of posts from pvpers about other players who camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people if pvpers complain about these very same things how do you expect pve player to deal with it?

And for the love of God I can not find were he rants about cancelling these pvp events and nor should they be cancelled please point out in this post where he demands there cancelled!

He feels forced because he has to endure child like people who just want to ruin the game for people. Why are these types of players if there so hot at the game and on top as pvpers not defending, attacking city's, scouting and all the other things they could be doing to help there team wasting time going around targeting things that have no way of winning the campaign or achieving the teams goal? So yes he feels forced to either enter pvp or give zos ridiculous amounts of money for a pixel item they know people want this Indrik mount.

Crying? all i see is he dose not much care to come up against the morons who spoil the pvp side, event or not and who the very same pvpers complain about.

Again increase your reading comprension skill because is terrible.

"If 1 million PVE players stopped their sub for the duration, it would cost them millions. It still probably wouldn't change anything, but it would make ME feel good. "

Had to write it gain because apparently you forget things fairly quickly and even then stopping even one sub because an event is not suited for you is a childish and spoiled behaviour,plain and simple.

This is A PvP event you need to expect to be killed by other player's,dosen't matter if you are a PvE player you still give AP and in IC also Telvar Stones that's enough to get killed by the enemy faction and the fact that if you come in a PvP area then you will need to PVP in some occasion like it or not that's a fact not a opinion.
Also people are camping spot even when there is no event,why?people that are returning to base without the stones of recall might give you a nice amount of Telvar stone(taking your example of people camping sewer entrance)

And if getting killed ruin your expirience then don't go in a PvP area or atleast not alone,really is that simple but better complain about things because is not how you want them to be.

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he dosen't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

majulook wrote: »
Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?

It exists.

It dosen't matter how he feel because no one if forcing him to do the event,getting killed in PvP is normal deal with it,if your ego can't accept the fact that in PvP youre not "the hero of tamriel" maybe just don't play this event simple as that.

And if i want to go to bruma to PvP during this event then i go to bruma and kill people there,be it other PvPer,gankers or PvEer.
The fact that some people think they should be left alone because they don't like PVP and if you kill them youre a child,toxic PvPer,troll or whatever you want is the actual childish behaviour.

Well given most of the pve players aren't hunting telvar and only going for quests and maybe at times bosses they haven't killed for the achievements it's unlikely they'd have many. This isn't about getting telvar it's just pissing people off for their own petty amusement. Fact is Cyrodil usually sits on one bar yet more at an event yet you have multiple bars of just gankers and zergs killing off pvers. It's almost as if some pvp players wanted to drive people away from pvp. They don't want pvers or people who just want to get the stuff done there? Well then this is all the more argument for not having a pvp event if any. It wasn't as bad first day it was mostly a few gankers here but they were easily dealt with as the event went on it went to full zergs to take out pvers cause seems some pvpers didn't do too well at ganking the pvers so had to bring a group of their buddies who are equally as moronic so they can feel better about their sad little lives 'omg look I killed someone in a game with my buddies who isn't even geared or speced to this but I'm sooo cool'. If someone has to specifically target pvers then they're probably not that great in pvp or they'd be looking for a challenge instead of hoping for an easy gank. And speaking of egos I had one of the gankers hate whisper me. And funnily the gankers always seem to run if they're losing. One even kept trying to gank me almost died went invisible tried again went invisible rinse repeat till I killed him before he could vanish again and I was in light armour geared as a pve healer that's not even that great of a set. What's childish behavior is the fact that some are specifically targeting pvers and that some think it being an issue that they're already somewhere they don't want to be and now being targeted by zerg mobs specifically targeting them is childish. If you think that it should be 'pvp or don't go there' then again that's an argument for not having a pvp event. If that's how the pvp side see the pve side well then they don't deserve an event if they behave like childish trolls to the people new to pvp.

Yeah no,in IC i killed various People some of them where PvEer and gave me more than 1k stone,one time i got 33k telvar stone from a guy that was clearly a PvEer Both PvPer/PvEer can give you nice amount of telvar.

This argument of getting killed to *** people off is stupid,sure some people might do it for that other's for free AP but if i see you and kill you is not because i want to ruin your day but if you are in a PvP area then if i choose to fight you i will do that.
I don't care if you are a PvEer and you don't bring your PvP stuff that's your choice and you will likely face a problem for that choice.
Before the event you had the time to prepare a PvP set up and maybe learn it a bit to fight back sometime you might also win since not every player you find is a PvPer or a good one,also gankers are full dmg,super squshy with no sustain and most of the time they are just bad,playing one shot build will bring you only that far as soon you know they are in the area they are useless.

I will use the same example i did before,if i want to get one of the new monster set in the new Vet dungeon then i guess what i have to do?Read a guide about the dungeon,bring my PvE set level up the skill i need for PvE and maybe even do some run in normal to get a better understanding of the said dungeon before doing it in a Vet Mode since they are not a cake walk esp in a pug group.
I can't expect to go in the last PvE dungeon with my PvP gear with no information about what those boss do and expect to do it in 15 min with no wipe and get all i need as if it was overland PvE.

Same logic apply to PvP,if you want to have a better time in PvP then learn some basic stuff,make some PvP gear and level up skill that are helpfull in PvP and you can always make a group to do those quest.
You can't expect that people leave you be just because you want it that way or expect to win without any effort form your part.

But whatever have it your way i lost alredy to much time try to explain things to people that clearly don't want to understand but want things changed for their taste.

Umm you do realise IC is one bar the rest of the year? So yeah sure it's people going there cause it's their usual pvp spot. Yep I totally believe that.

It's not stupid people do that. Otherwise how is it that there's full on multi bar zergs in imperial city over multiple things when normally it doesn't go above 1 bar?

Yes, cause all the top pvp gear can easily be gotten by anyone right?

And okay let's have it this way. Next pve event any pvper can use an ability to prevent pvpers from reaching the thing only if they're a pvper and if they don't like it they shouldn't be in pve. This sound fair? You can try to argue it's just people who would normally pvp but even before the event the forums had lots of pvp players going on about how they were going to gank all the pvers and one saying he'd keep killing them till they leave. But it's all in our imagination right? Just normal pvp? We both know it's not you're just making terrible excuses for toxic behavior. If you can't behave like adults then you don't deserve nice things. You want an event? Don't behave like a child. Actually it's more like the child that kills ants with a magnifying glass for amusement. Or the school yard bully picking on other kids to feel better about himself. Though that you've gone to great lengths to make excuses which as i pointed out the flaws in this both in that there usually isn't even that many and several have admitted that they planned to do just that I can only assume that you are one of them and that is why you're so offended by me pointing out it's childish.

ZaroktheImmortal

Actually now I see why the gank and zerg squads around imperial city want this event so badly. So you don't have to have the competition of actual pvp and instead taking out pvers and so they can feel better about themselves by picking on people not even geared or speced to that side.

killingspreeb16_ESO

@ZaroktheImmortal just to point out few things.

IC was 2 bar even without the event idk what are you talking about,yes there are some days where not many people are there and some time instead you find a nice amount of player.
So no you are wrong.

Yes PvP gear can be obtained easily since most of it is crafted/looted in PvE

The last part make 0 sense.

If i want something from PvE i go to PvE and get it same goes for you if you want something from PvP you go in PvP and get it.

Also i usually let people finish their quest,let low cp(under 200) or under level 50 go unless they attack me but cool nice try i guess.

You need to do more to make me feel offended,is just stupid thinking that if you get killed in PvP is because the other guy is childish,toxic or whatever you want him to be to make yourself feel better.

But have it your way /shrug.

ZaroktheImmortal

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ZaroktheImmortal

IC was 2 bar even without the event idk what are you talking about,yes there are some days where not many people are there and some time instead you find a nice amount of player.
So no you are wrong.

Yes PvP gear can be obtained easily since most of it is crafted/looted in PvE

The last part make 0 sense.

If i want something from PvE i go to PvE and get it same goes for you if you want something from PvP you go in PvP and get it.

Also i usually let people finish their quest,let low cp(under 200) or under level 50 go unless they attack me but cool nice try i guess.

You need to do more to make me feel offended,is just stupid thinking that if you get killed in PvP is because the other guy is childish,toxic or whatever you want him to be to make yourself feel better.

But have it your way /shrug.

Every time I look at IC it's one bar each and that's during the entire day. Now it can get to two or three bars of just zergs.

Yes you can craft it. But then people who pvp will likely have a better set than you and well you know how it goes.

It's not getting offended. It's just the fact that at the point people are literally preventing people from doing the event and many have admitted to doing so that it's toxic. I understand that in pvp you can get killed but at the point you're hunting down pvpers again this is something some pvpers have said they would do and have done and camped their spawn place and always seem to pick on the one most full of pvers on a certain alliance in IC. Funny that. But we can pretend like it's not a thing they're just doing every day pvp. Or we can face reality and accept that some people are toxic trolls. Even one of the people defending the event who is mostly pvper has admitted in this that there is a troll problem in pvp side. But you can keep on pretending there isn't. It's all the pvers complaining no trolls no one specifically targeting them despite numerous people saying they are or were going to. It's all just pretend.

ZaroktheImmortal

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

@ZaroktheImmortal just to point out few things.

IC was 2 bar even without the event idk what are you talking about,yes there are some days where not many people are there and some time instead you find a nice amount of player.
So no you are wrong.

Yes PvP gear can be obtained easily since most of it is crafted/looted in PvE

The last part make 0 sense.

If i want something from PvE i go to PvE and get it same goes for you if you want something from PvP you go in PvP and get it.

Also i usually let people finish their quest,let low cp(under 200) or under level 50 go unless they attack me but cool nice try i guess.

You need to do more to make me feel offended,is just stupid thinking that if you get killed in PvP is because the other guy is childish,toxic or whatever you want him to be to make yourself feel better.

But have it your way /shrug.

Also have multi bar zergs from two different alliances targeted one alliance cause it's mostly pvers playing umm yeah. But let's just pretend it's not a thing to go troll pvers despite all the evidence of it being that and people admitting to such.

ZaroktheImmortal

In fact one person even admitted they're in a pvp guild that's doing it. But you know. It's totally not happening right?

ZaroktheImmortal

Perhaps we should shut our eyes to all evidence of it happening and just pretend it's not real that will make it so right?

Shokner

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

I guess the fact your reading comprension skill is terrible is getting you worked up but don't worry you can still always learn .

Is not a wild assumptions since he clearly said that he would stop paying for eso+ if he could for the event and that he would feel good if many other would do the same is enought o get that if the event get canceled/changed for his taste he would not complain since he could get what he want without PvP in his way.

But keep living in your parallel dimension.

Before you pat your self on the back about people being worked up as if you achieved some imaginary goal this is what you said not the op

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he doesn't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

assume

is your keyword and clue!

again page 5 mate this is what you said not the op

Yeah saying that people should stop paying for eso+ because the poor guy feel forced to PvP when is not even required is not totally a spoiled behaviour /facepalm.

His whole post is about facing gankers not calling people to rise up on mass and stop subscribing or to cancel the event, my comprehensions fine mate but i suggest you look up irony it's under I you tried to drag this in so many directions to suit your needs it's ironic you can't comprehend whats written in the op's post.

Obviously the op saying

I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor

triggered you some what, ask zos to add a trigger button so you don't get so easily offended never lmaof so much reading your drivel.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Shokner wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

I guess the fact your reading comprension skill is terrible is getting you worked up but don't worry you can still always learn .

Is not a wild assumptions since he clearly said that he would stop paying for eso+ if he could for the event and that he would feel good if many other would do the same is enought o get that if the event get canceled/changed for his taste he would not complain since he could get what he want without PvP in his way.

But keep living in your parallel dimension.

Before you pat your self on the back about people being worked up as if you achieved some imaginary goal this is what you said not the op

He might not said it directly(but you can assume he would not complain if the event is getting changed or removed so he doesn't have to deal with) but some people in this thread and other thread's before this one actually said that,there is one of these post in the last page currently aswell.

assume

is your keyword and clue!

again page 5 mate this is what you said not the op

Yeah saying that people should stop paying for eso+ because the poor guy feel forced to PvP when is not even required is not totally a spoiled behaviour /facepalm.

His whole post is about facing gankers not calling people to rise up on mass and stop subscribing or to cancel the event, my comprehensions fine mate but i suggest you look up irony it's under I you tried to drag this in so many directions to suit your needs it's ironic you can't comprehend whats written in the op's post.

Obviously the op saying

I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor

triggered you some what, ask zos to add a trigger button so you don't get so easily offended never lmaof so much reading your drivel.

Nice assumption but all off the mark.

barney2525

My only complaint about the Midyear Mayhem is that they did not Have an event - to gain event tickets - for an extended period of time. Now we are at Midyear mayhem and TWO berries need to be gotten. We all know berries have Never come back around, as if it was a cycle - even to the crown store. Once this opportunity is gone, any tickets used on the first two berries are completely wasted. No refund.

So if you want this particular indrik mount, you have to rack up 20 tickets (including those you may have had saved up) by being forced into this nonsense that you do not like, or pay out up to $40 US.

Its a crap strategy and it is Not fun

IMHO

Sarannah

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

KaGaOri

jaws343 wrote: »

KaGaOri wrote: »

Have been around for only handfull of events so far, but is getting the tickets this time around tad harder compared with last time, or is it just me? Like, even just getting three wins in battlegrounds (= 2 tickets) is big jump from "eat the cake + kill one delve boss = 4 tickets" from the last event, both timewise and difficultywise. Maybe that's why PvE players complain and PvP players don't. There's big difference in taking ten minutes to do something they find kind of borring and taking whole evening trying to do something they borderline can't do.

Went to IC for first time for this event. Took ten minutes just to figgure out where to find quest givers for dailies (that one's on me, lol). Grabbed daily from the only district held by my faction. It asked me to hunt twilights for claws - no problem here. Then I was supposed to throw it in a cauldron. There was enemy player camping the cauldron, killing anyone who tried to interact with it. Got chased around and killed. Respawned at base, but game wouldn't let me climb back into district where the quest was - had to go to the one next to it (controled by enemy) and it took five or six deaths just to get back there. My faction lost that single district in meantime. No idea where my faction went, saw only groups of players from other two factions from that point on. The daily took over two hours (and many many deaths) to complete. Dying I don't mind, but simply can't afford such timesink on daily bases.

On weekend I've lucked out and half of IC was controled by my faction at that moment - managed to stack on dailies a bit. Today the IC was once more "owned" by other factions at time I could play = no daily done due to time constrains. Kinda miss eating cake for tickets .

You don't have to win 3 BGs. Just keep dropping and picking up the BG daily until it turns into thr Earn 1000 points. You can do that it one match and be done with BGs for the day if you want. Not need to win 3 or participate in 5.

As far as IC. You are actually better off doing the daily in an enemy section of the city. One that is in the middle of the sections they hold. Less likely to run into them their as the ones who are fighting will be heading towards your alliances sections.

You can do that ?! Have assumed dropping the daily and picking it up again will just give you the same one. If that works, it's a life- (or time-) saver. Have "take part in five matches" ready to turn in this evening and will try this if "the three wins" gets picked after. Just took whatever the game threw at me and rolled with it thus far.

Thanks for the tip on IC. I'll have two dailies there ready to be done today, so we'll see who's holding those districts tonight. Already have swapped chest for heavy (on magsorc) and got Bloody Maras to prepare for the event, but it's not like I can pull monster set or perfected False god's out of the thin air (or magicaly go from begginer player to PvP pro) in those few days remaining of the event, so good strategy and bit of luck is the only way to go.

jaws343

KaGaOri wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

KaGaOri wrote: »

Have been around for only handfull of events so far, but is getting the tickets this time around tad harder compared with last time, or is it just me? Like, even just getting three wins in battlegrounds (= 2 tickets) is big jump from "eat the cake + kill one delve boss = 4 tickets" from the last event, both timewise and difficultywise. Maybe that's why PvE players complain and PvP players don't. There's big difference in taking ten minutes to do something they find kind of borring and taking whole evening trying to do something they borderline can't do.

Went to IC for first time for this event. Took ten minutes just to figgure out where to find quest givers for dailies (that one's on me, lol). Grabbed daily from the only district held by my faction. It asked me to hunt twilights for claws - no problem here. Then I was supposed to throw it in a cauldron. There was enemy player camping the cauldron, killing anyone who tried to interact with it. Got chased around and killed. Respawned at base, but game wouldn't let me climb back into district where the quest was - had to go to the one next to it (controled by enemy) and it took five or six deaths just to get back there. My faction lost that single district in meantime. No idea where my faction went, saw only groups of players from other two factions from that point on. The daily took over two hours (and many many deaths) to complete. Dying I don't mind, but simply can't afford such timesink on daily bases.

On weekend I've lucked out and half of IC was controled by my faction at that moment - managed to stack on dailies a bit. Today the IC was once more "owned" by other factions at time I could play = no daily done due to time constrains. Kinda miss eating cake for tickets .

You don't have to win 3 BGs. Just keep dropping and picking up the BG daily until it turns into thr Earn 1000 points. You can do that it one match and be done with BGs for the day if you want. Not need to win 3 or participate in 5.

As far as IC. You are actually better off doing the daily in an enemy section of the city. One that is in the middle of the sections they hold. Less likely to run into them their as the ones who are fighting will be heading towards your alliances sections.

You can do that ?! Have assumed dropping the daily and picking it up again will just give you the same one. If that works, it's a life- (or time-) saver. Have "take part in five matches" ready to turn in this evening and will try this if "the three wins" gets picked after. Just took whatever the game threw at me and rolled with it thus far.

Thanks for the tip on IC. I'll have two dailies there ready to be done today, so we'll see who's holding those districts tonight. Already have swapped chest for heavy (on magsorc) and got Bloody Maras to prepare for the event, but it's not like I can pull monster set or perfected False god's out of the thin air (or magicaly go from begginer player to PvP pro) in those few days remaining of the event, so good strategy and bit of luck is the only way to go.

Yeah, the picking up and dropping a quest to get the better one is a Quality of Life change I wish they would make. So instead of having to do that, if a quest giver gives out more than 1 quest, you can choose which one you want to start with. Same for the mission boards in Cyrodil. You can repeatedly pick up and drop the kill players quest until you get Kill 20 Players. They should just change it so that you can directly choose that quest and subsequent quests without needing to pick up and drop them. Same outcome, just makes it a bit less annoying to do.

Another tip for IC is when you release after dying, always pick up the daily if you end up in a new section of the city. That way you may eventually have the daily active for every city section. So you can always work towards completing a daily no matter where you are in the city.

VaranisArano

Sarannah wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

I don't really see where PVPers are ignorant of this.

For one, preventing enemy players from accomplishing objectives is pretty much the whole point of PVP as ZOS designed it. ZOS fully incentivizes killing other players, including questers, for Tel Var, AP, daily quests, and achievements. When PVPers kill players in a PVP zone, we're playing as intended. ZOS doesn't somehow forget this when they run Midyear Mayhem or put event tickets, leads, styles, and other rewards in PVP zones.

Now, its absolutely okay to not enjoy this aspect of PVP!
But I do think it's a bit ignorant to pretend that ZOS doesn't intend for it to happen when they continue to put various rewards in PVP enabled zones.
I understand why it's more comforting to blame those mean PVPers who kill you while you just want to get your lead in Imperial City than it is to realize that ZOS intentionally sent you into a zone where you'll be targeted for your Tel Var (among other rewards) because it benefits their zone population metrics, but the latter is why ZOS is unlikely to change, despite your complaints.


As for gear/build, I think we'd all love for ZOS to add some sort of "Dressing Room" to let us quickly swap between builds. That would benefit everyone.

Even then, I'll be the first to admit that building for PVP can only do so much for an inexperienced PVPer. I try to give good advice for preparing, but when I was a new player, I was mostly aiming to gear up to have a fighting chance in an ambush or to survive the opening salvo of a ganker. I expect to die a lot in PVP, regardless of gear.Grouping up will do a lot more for your survivability than just gearing up because there really is strength in numbers. Gear helps, but friends, guildmates, and even randoms from zone chat will keep you safer than going it alone. Even then, you'll die a lot. Everyone dies in PVP. That's sort of the whole point.

But the "Wait, I have to change my build for PVP?" sort of elides the real problem.

It's really, "Yes, you have to change your mindset to be successful in PVP, even while just questing."

See, the "Players can prevent me from achieving my goal, even when I'm just questing" complaint really comes down to expecting questing to be the same as PVE. Its like "Its just a quest, why is it harder in PVP? That's not fair!"
But its really the other way 'round.
"Its PVP, of course quests are going to be harder if you have to fight non-AI players. That might not be fair, but it's 100% intended."

Again, I completely understand that some players hate this! PVP does require different builds and tactics than PVE versus AI and predictable mechanics. The "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!" required to survive can be really tiring! Dying fast while feeling like you can't scratch the opponent can be super frustrating! For me, PVP was a steep learning curve. It took me weeks of playing and a great PVP guild to "get good" and even then I still have to walk away from fights I just can't win. This year, an AD general drove me and a few others off of Cropsford - he played really, really well and we weren't able to kill him. It may not feel "fair" in the moment: who is this guy to prevent me from questing? But its still 100% intended. (I went with my 2nd option, a scouting quest, before defending our keeps.)



Honest question here: Does this constant griping about Midyear Mayhem, despite the event requiring the risk of PVP every single time its run, really come down to players refusing to come to terms with the reality that ZOS doesn't care if they get killed over and over again while trying to get their event rewards?

Galwylin

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I think more of the issue is the pvpers who purposely choose to target questing pvers just to troll them.

I'll agree it's odd to see pvp players who dislike pve in a game that's pve focused. But yeah, having two forms on events of ways to earn tickets would be a workable solution pve or pvp so people can be where they want to be.

I'm not sure I agree that people are trolling others. While its true you always have some, I don't feel its widespread. At least in my experience. This is basically the same issue WOW had where some love world PVP for the simple fact they can disrupt those uninterested so they camp corpses or quest givers. WOW solution was to make it easy to bow out for all players so now only those looking for that type play have to participate. So those people exist who complained the loudest but its a small number and really that wasn't how the game wanted you to play it. But this is the same behavior those who aren't that great at PVP would exhibit because in both cases its easy. If I get ganked in ESO its usually someone no better than I am. Sometimes you find that pro. I just think we have to keep in mind not all people we met in game are trolls regardless if they express love for PVP or not. Not saying doesn't happen but that not every case is an example of it.

On the idea of people playing this game disliking PVE... simply put they are lying. Maybe they tire of it but if you look at what you need to do to be successful... nah, you telling me a lie saying you hate PVE in ESO. Besides, PVP isn't any good in ESO. One reason why burst gets hammered so hard in games with it is because its no fun nor shows real skill. And ESO still has a lot of it from many sources. A game of Battleship is more skillful. Really the easiest fix for all of this turmoil is you can do a regular event turn in or a PVP focused one. I am almost assured you will see the vast number of players choose the PVE route. Like I said, you have to go through a lot of PVE just to be good at PVP. A player coming into this game doesn't become a god in a week without assistance. Brand new without guild support and its easily over a month if a new patch doesn't upend everything for you.

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IF I had advise to the non-PVP player on how to get through this... like I said, the battlegrounds with the five games played or 1000 medal (my favorite) are the easiest to step out of the gate. You should at least have one character level 10 of each Alliance. With IC I took a level 12 in and completed my objectives though the mobs gave me some difficulty much more than players. So check the bars of each campaign and pick the Alliance whose leading since this will mean you have more folks taking the pressure off you and follow in their wake if you have to. That's why you want the three characters of each Alliance. There are four ladders I believe leading up, so choose the daily that works for you.

Some like the event so if this tickles their ribs, let them have it. Sure you can say you don't like events like this but its not a personal attack. I don't see why folks keep feeling they are being attacked in some way regardless of the subject. In my opinion this event does nothing to encourage PVP as you are doing PVE quests in a PVP zone. This event is simply having bodies in a PVP zone. Its like teaching football by tackling them and that's all. I wish the game did a better job at this kind of stuff instead of relying on its fans to learn then teach others how to play properly. I know some love that complication.

Keep in mind, I think I suck at this game. In the most embarrassing ways at times. I use pre-Morrowind equipment on my main and put CP in things like saving on the cost of sneak. So your mileage will vary.

Agenericname

Sarannah wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

Sarannah wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

You can do some pve in pvp gear. Any of the vet DLCs, vet trials, or vet arenas would pose a serious challenge for average player in pvp gear. If you tried to do any of the aforementioned content in PvP gear youd likely be kicked from the group.

You can do some content in Cyrodiil in pve gear. You can kill some players while wearing pve gear in cyrodiil.

Most serious PvErs already have multiple gear sets for different content, some change inside of a single instance. VMA builds often have their own gear/builds as do the other arenas, vet trials, and dungeons can all differ.

And probably the more important point that everyone seems to miss, they're not pvpers or pvers, they're just players. Many people do both. If cyrodiil were filled with just PvPers there wouldn't be a need for so many extra servers. Which suggests that the increase in participation has to come from somewhere other than dedicated pvpers. So are they really "pvpers" preventing you from completing your objectives?

Players can prevent other players from completing their objectives in PvP. That however is the content, and if you look at the number of servers added and the queue times it appears to be somewhat popular.

Vevvev

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I LOVE getting ganked. Probably the easiest type of PVPer to kill.

Totally agree here. If they don't kill you in the initial attack it throws them off, and then you just turn around and begin letting them have it. If they try to cloak away just use an AoE or stealth detection skill/pot. They very rarely survive if you keep up the pressure.

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FlopsyPrince

Magdalina wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Getting ganked by 4-5 enemy players while questing is definitely not a great experience and "getting gud" will not solve that.

Having a group of 7 players whose only goal is to run around and gank others is another hindrance. They are so mature they think killing a pet sorc was a major achievement and they will go through sitting on me repeatedly (to put it politely) is just a great thing to do.

Remember I am a solo pet sorc, not a zerg group. Though the emotish actions would not happen if they faced a zerg. They would probably run away and hide since their goal is to gank, not take objectives.

This is a good event ZoS?

If you don't want to be attacked, don't enter a PVP zone. The imbalance of forces during the attack is irrelevant. Your desire to peacefully run quests is irrelevant. It is a PVP zone.

I want the Indrik mounts. No choice but to enter the zone.

The event tickets require that.

So it's the mount. Hmm let's take a closer look here...your options are:

1) waiting for next event, which will be PvE because all events but this are PvE, and get the Indrik then

2) choose one of the many ways to painlessly gain tickets from this event, many of which have been retold dozens of times by dem toxic PvPers here on forums:
- choose low pop/your alliance capped campaign at off time
- do BGs which takes all of one match with 1k medals quest, without even having to enter Cyrodiil
- stock up on quests BEFORE the event, then give them in one per day (not like you didn't know the event was coming)
- join up with other people with the same purpose - there's so many of you people on forums you could easily form a zerg of your own to rival all the gankers and whatnot
All of those do feature a risk of actual PvP, but that's what you get during a PvP event. There have been multiple very helpful replies and even full threads by the toxic PvPers explaining how to make it as painless as possible. Build tanky. Slot some defense. Make some potions. Be on your guard. No one is requiring you to become an Emperor you know, all you need is survive going through a PvP area (if you choose Cyro and not BG)

3) if all else fails, buy the tickets in Crown Store. I'm personally not a fan of this, but if this silly mount is THAT important, there's always that option.

Yeah, wow, you're right, you really don't have a choice there. /s

No I do not. They keep adding new mounts. I didn't clue in early enough, so I missed the tickets in the first few events. I am still behind. Skipping the event would just put me farther behind.

Yes, I could ignore the item, but it is there for a reason and achievable with PvE interaction and no ganking in other events. Skipping this one would put me several items behind. Not a good choice at all.

VaranisArano

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Getting ganked by 4-5 enemy players while questing is definitely not a great experience and "getting gud" will not solve that.

Having a group of 7 players whose only goal is to run around and gank others is another hindrance. They are so mature they think killing a pet sorc was a major achievement and they will go through sitting on me repeatedly (to put it politely) is just a great thing to do.

Remember I am a solo pet sorc, not a zerg group. Though the emotish actions would not happen if they faced a zerg. They would probably run away and hide since their goal is to gank, not take objectives.

This is a good event ZoS?

If you don't want to be attacked, don't enter a PVP zone. The imbalance of forces during the attack is irrelevant. Your desire to peacefully run quests is irrelevant. It is a PVP zone.

I want the Indrik mounts. No choice but to enter the zone.

The event tickets require that.

So it's the mount. Hmm let's take a closer look here...your options are:

1) waiting for next event, which will be PvE because all events but this are PvE, and get the Indrik then

2) choose one of the many ways to painlessly gain tickets from this event, many of which have been retold dozens of times by dem toxic PvPers here on forums:
- choose low pop/your alliance capped campaign at off time
- do BGs which takes all of one match with 1k medals quest, without even having to enter Cyrodiil
- stock up on quests BEFORE the event, then give them in one per day (not like you didn't know the event was coming)
- join up with other people with the same purpose - there's so many of you people on forums you could easily form a zerg of your own to rival all the gankers and whatnot
All of those do feature a risk of actual PvP, but that's what you get during a PvP event. There have been multiple very helpful replies and even full threads by the toxic PvPers explaining how to make it as painless as possible. Build tanky. Slot some defense. Make some potions. Be on your guard. No one is requiring you to become an Emperor you know, all you need is survive going through a PvP area (if you choose Cyro and not BG)

3) if all else fails, buy the tickets in Crown Store. I'm personally not a fan of this, but if this silly mount is THAT important, there's always that option.

Yeah, wow, you're right, you really don't have a choice there. /s

No I do not. They keep adding new mounts. I didn't clue in early enough, so I missed the tickets in the first few events. I am still behind. Skipping the event would just put me farther behind.

Yes, I could ignore the item, but it is there for a reason and achievable with PvE interaction and no ganking in other events. Skipping this one would put me several items behind. Not a good choice at all.

Then it seems like your best bet is to participate in Midyear Mayhem, which is an event that ZOS fully knows and intends to include the risk of ganking. Its not possible to get the event tickets without entering a PVP zone OR just buying them. (Or, potentially, waiting until the end of the year if ZOS re-releases the Indrik feathers like they did last year.)

Magdalina gave a pretty good rundown of ways to participate. I'm kind of kicking myself for not thinking of doing the dailies before the event. That's a brilliant way to minimize risk!

To expand on that with some excellent advice I've seen from others who are looking to avoid confrontation:
In Cyrodiil, you can game the Scouting missions by going to a campaign your alliance doesn't own and picking a mission for a resource close to your alliance's home keeps. Then, queue for a campaign where your alliance is dominant, transit to the home keep, and quickly do the scouting mission with very low risk.

In Battlegrounds, you can give up the daily quest and try to get one of the easier ones, like 1k medals. BGs can be unpleasant if you hate PVP in general, but it can be a better option if you really hate getting ganked while on town quests. BGs is at least a "fair" fight. (I'll be the first to admit I'm not a good BG player, so I tend to play in the Below 50 BGs on my leveling characters. It's hard to feel bad about losing miserably when I'm on a level 22 character )


Imperial City is just harder to minimize risk, yet ZOS put tickets there anyways. I looked for a campaign where my alliance had more people and picked a district daily where we owned the district. I had a lot of quest marker issues during my daily, and really only survived because my alliance dominated the district just long enough for me to finish off the quest before AD rolled in to hunt the bosses. I focused on getting in and getting out. It was really important to stealth or avoid as many mobs as I could so I didn't get bogged down and distracted -a prime target for an ambush - or have the flag flipped while I was questing (which almost happened).

Groups really shine in IC. Sure, you make less Tel Var, but you are less of a target. I went on my own, but when I was less comfortable in PVP, I would ask my guildies if they wanted to go in a group. There are bunches of PVE-loving players who want those rewards, so forming a quick group to get a daily done or farm for leads isn't too hard. It often just needs someone to get the process started.


Now, I realize this probably seems unfair. "Why should I have to go to all this effort for a PVP event when I don't for PVE events?"

Well, you don't have to. The above is well-intentioned advice for players who really hate PVP and really want to minimized risk. You can always just jump right in, no prep necessary, hope for the best, and have fun whatever happens. Lots of players do that and it's great!

Dusk_Coven

Agenericname wrote: »

You can do some pve in pvp gear. Any of the vet DLCs, vet trials, or vet arenas would pose a serious challenge for average player in pvp gear. If you tried to do any of the aforementioned content in PvP gear youd likely be kicked from the group.

When did we need vet anything for tickets?

Agenericname wrote: »

If cyrodiil were filled with just PvPers there wouldn't be a need for so many extra servers. Which suggests that the increase in participation has to come from somewhere other than dedicated pvpers.

When the event is done things will go back to normal. As usual. Another fact that pro-MYM people conveniently ignore.

How about they NOT tie event tickets to MYM in the first place?

ZaroktheImmortal

Agenericname wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

Sarannah wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Like I've said if it wasn't for trolls targeting pve players to make it harder for them to do their quests and boss kills just to annoy them it wouldn't be such an issue. But fact is they do. And I've seen plenty of pvpers bragging about how they would even before event starting. It just seems to bring out the worst toxic people to just annoy people. At least in pve events people can't stop you from doing it you usually just do your own thing if you want to.

One of the key points PvP-ers like to pretend doesn't exist.

Yups. PvE'ers can't prevent PvP'ers from completing objectives in a PvE event. Yet PvP'ers can prevent PvE'ers from completing objectives in a PvP event.
There is also the matter of gear/build: You can do PvE in PvP gear/build, but you can't PvP in PvE gear/build.

You can do some pve in pvp gear. Any of the vet DLCs, vet trials, or vet arenas would pose a serious challenge for average player in pvp gear. If you tried to do any of the aforementioned content in PvP gear youd likely be kicked from the group.

You can do some content in Cyrodiil in pve gear. You can kill some players while wearing pve gear in cyrodiil.

Most serious PvErs already have multiple gear sets for different content, some change inside of a single instance. VMA builds often have their own gear/builds as do the other arenas, vet trials, and dungeons can all differ.

And probably the more important point that everyone seems to miss, they're not pvpers or pvers, they're just players. Many people do both. If cyrodiil were filled with just PvPers there wouldn't be a need for so many extra servers. Which suggests that the increase in participation has to come from somewhere other than dedicated pvpers. So are they really "pvpers" preventing you from completing your objectives?

Players can prevent other players from completing their objectives in PvP. That however is the content, and if you look at the number of servers added and the queue times it appears to be somewhat popular.

Looking at numbers they've taken a nosedive since it started and I can guess why. Aside from the major usual campaigns the rest have gone pretty dead in cyro. Sure people got into it to get rewards when it started and every day since it's gotten less and less. And I know a fair few who are just fed up with trying to do their event and constantly being prevented from doing so. Gankers are one thing but when they then bring in entire zergs over multiple alliances just to pick off the pvers since that side has the more numbers but more of them are pvers just trying to get through the event.