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Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options! 2 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.2 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭Pink_E_808 wrote: »Idk if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but OP, you DO realize that we only get PvP events TWICE a year, right? PvP players are forced into PvE for gear whether there's an event or not. Just go into one of the extra campaigns, that's what they're there for.
To be fair. PvP only players are playing a game whose genre, up until this one, has been single player RPGs. It's to expect that the focus on PvE content and story would be huge. Just kind of the game they're playing. Which means, that a lot of players are coming to this game from that RPG only element so dealing with PvP may not be as fun for them, and probably why they're a lot more outspoken than PvE only people in other games.
Just be glad that we don't have FFXIV level PvP. If that doesn't scream after thought then I don't know what does.
The focus IS PVE content in ESO. Like, lets be honest....HOW could an NON-online game even portray or add into its contents PVP....Seriously, that would be impossible for a OFFLINE game to do. And I am sorry, there are not many online games that are strictly PVE only. Kinda defeats the purpose of online gaming if you can't kill the other players, especially if the storyline (the very first few Cinematics) heavily portray the Three Banners War. I know of Trials, Arenas and 4 man dungeons that require groups, but PvP IS essential for MOST online games. I have completed all the trials and most on Vet (same with 4 man dungeons and arenas). I know PVE is the main selling point, but its real crappy to completely disregard the PvP community. If this bugs you, you can always go back to playing Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. Then you don't have to deal with all these various players with various needs. Even better Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all have various MODS that you can download and install to make it perfect for YOUR gameplay.0 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »Pink_E_808 wrote: »Idk if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but OP, you DO realize that we only get PvP events TWICE a year, right? PvP players are forced into PvE for gear whether there's an event or not. Just go into one of the extra campaigns, that's what they're there for.
To be fair. PvP only players are playing a game whose genre, up until this one, has been single player RPGs. It's to expect that the focus on PvE content and story would be huge. Just kind of the game they're playing. Which means, that a lot of players are coming to this game from that RPG only element so dealing with PvP may not be as fun for them, and probably why they're a lot more outspoken than PvE only people in other games.
Just be glad that we don't have FFXIV level PvP. If that doesn't scream after thought then I don't know what does.
The focus IS PVE content in ESO. Like, lets be honest....HOW could an NON-online game even portray or add into its contents PVP....Seriously, that would be impossible for a OFFLINE game to do. And I am sorry, there are not many online games that are strictly PVE only. Kinda defeats the purpose of online gaming if you can't kill the other players, especially if the storyline (the very first few Cinematics) heavily portray the Three Banners War. I know of Trials, Arenas and 4 man dungeons that require groups, but PvP IS essential for MOST online games. I have completed all the trials and most on Vet (same with 4 man dungeons and arenas). I know PVE is the main selling point, but its real crappy to completely disregard the PvP community. If this bugs you, you can always go back to playing Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. Then you don't have to deal with all these various players with various needs. Even better Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all have various MODS that you can download and install to make it perfect for YOUR gameplay.
There's other stuff to do in an online game besides killing other players. You know like questing, dungeons, social content and what not and just having other people to play with. Not all gaming has to be aimed at killing each other. PVP isn't essential but it is there. Would the game survive without it? Well given it seems a good part of the playerbase are pve focused well es it could not that I'm suggesting they should simply pointing out that it doesn't require it. And I never said to disregard them simply that pve players shouldn't have to feel they have to pvp especially when most aren't geared or speced to pvp. And guess what? Plenty of pvers enjoy the social aspects and just questing with people and just people able to play together without killing each other. By your comparison of 'Go back to Morrowind' I could say 'Go back to Call of Duty'5 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.3 -
DarcyMardin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I enjoyed the last midyear mayhem and I’m having fun with this one, too. I’m a PvE player, but I don’t mind PvPing occasionally, even though I suck at it. Now and then I even win a one-on-one fight, which hardly ever used to happen in previous years. Plus, I had only been in Imperial City once, ever, before this event, but now I’m really getting to know the place. So no complaints from me.3 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.0 -
Jem_Kindheart✭✭✭✭It really comes down to mindset and mood. Years ago I let myself get all worked up and filled with anxiety about PvP, that's entirely the wrong mindset. Gotta learn how to have laughs about dying a lot, and not get butthurt over anything in there lol. If you find your mood starting to sour during a Cyrodiil session, it's time to pull out for awhile.
You can pretty much do this event and finish your Indrik with PvE methodology and minimal gank. I'm doing it on PvE healer characters lol.
First, make a stack of invis+speed potions. If you're feeling dedicated enough, buy or craft some sneaking gear too. Darloc Brae, Night's Silence, Shadow Dancer, Night Mother's Embrace, Night Terror.
Start in the IC sewers at your base, take a ladder and sneakilly do a quest, it'll take about 2-5 minutes and you probably won't die. Queue from IC to a Cyro campaign that is either empty or is more populated by your Alliance. Go do one town quest for one of the three towns, Burma, Vlastrus, Cropsford. .It's seriously cheesy work and takes 1-5 minutes, stuff like kill 8 undead nearby or find the idiot's missing groceries in the area lol.
This is all basically PvE content at the minimum. You can have all 4 tickets each day in about 15 minutes from start to finish and probably won't die or get ganked if you play smart. Now if you wanna farm up Legion motif pages or ear the wreath or get the optional achievments, that's up to you totally!. Definitely get a group going for those, you might die A LOT for those but just don't stress over it :P
Blessed Adventures!
Edited by Jem_Kindheart on June 29, 2020 8:55AMLongtimer since beta, the usual. 26 CP toons. ~1700cp on main account, 1000cp on 2nd account. Endgame-ish lol. Most Vets / some HM's cleared.5 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Also no it doesn't make you a 'bad pvper' it makes you someone who is just there for the quest that this event wants you to do. A lot have been trying to avoid the pvp side. By saying that since you enter the game in pve by standard you're a bad pver. Not to mention the gearing and build set up difference in a lot of these situations so if one hasn't already gotten a toon set up for pvp then well.1 -
mattaeus01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, pvp... AINT IT GREAT! I once road a wereshark. I once saw one warden take on 15 players and lived....One of these statements are false.
PvP, like PvE are based around its community, and its knowledge! You cant walk into PvP and expect to win. As well, expect to be farmed in this event. Some people will walk on by, yes. Others will stealth near quest hubs and kill you until they are bored.
Add on's can help.. Like MIAT's (whatever)
Combat metrics can help you see what you are actually doing in PvP (and PvE)
I know there is a stealth detector add on. Not sure what its called. But it tells you when someone hides near you and a general area. Marking yourself off line while in Sillydill, may help.
Wear heavy armor, put a healy staff on, and a sword and board. Go for health and regen. Slap on on monster set that will help restore stats. Get your resistances up to 30k, and wander around in a large group healing yourself. (Warden or Necro classes help)
Watch for the [snip] that follow you around for an hour trying to gank you every time you turn your back, and you'll be just fine!
[Edited to remove Baiting]
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 30, 2020 4:32PMPlayer 1 "You all suck, dont you know how to play this game?"
Player 2 "Huh?"
Player 1 "just run passed everything!"
Player 3 "We could just kill them on the way"
Player 4 "Why am I 89% of total DPS, one of the only ones that Qued as DPS, and yet in a group with 3 other DPS that cant seem to kill the basic mobs in a normal dungeon, and being told I suck?"
Player 1 "Whatever, GFL"
Player 1 has left the group...0 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
You said that this event's rewards are aimed at PvEers, as most PvPers would have no interest in them. I merely pointed out that's not true because 'PvPers' can also have more interest than just killing players
People shouldn't *have* to do anything in a game unless they want to, we can agree on that (at least as long as they're playing solo). Fortunately, they don't in ESO, there're plenty of activities for all sorts of gameplay and there's nothing objectively forcing them into any one kind of content.Edited by Magdalina on June 29, 2020 9:01AM1 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
You said that this event's rewards are aimed at PvEers, as most PvPers would have no interest in them. I merely pointed out that's not true because 'PvPers' can also have more interest than just killing players
People shouldn't *have* to do anything in a game unless they want to, we can agree on that (at least as long as they're playing solo). Fortunately, they don't in ESO, there're plenty of activities for all sorts of gameplay and there's nothing objectively forcing them into any one kind of content.
The style pages from most events go pretty cheap from what I've seen. So not sure why anyone would bother farming them. There's a lot more valuable stuff to farm hell try out the latest expansion a lot of stuff from that is going for a lot.0 -
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✭Aah, another I don't like PvP so I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram post.
Consider this, many PvPers don't like PvE yet they are forced to do it if they want the event tickets in the other events. You don't hear them bitching the same way as PvErs do when they have to venture into Cyrodiil and the IC. You can literally get the event tickets in 15 minutes, they are not hard to get4 -
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✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.
Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?
I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..
Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!
I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.
But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.
We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.
My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.4 -
Shokner✭✭✭WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
These will be the same player types that go around with lvl 4 characters in beginner zones with full cp points challenging newcomers to duels and destroying knowing full well can't do anything to them, all it achieves is most of them just quit the game, never understood this behavior wheres the challenge to this type of thing. I mean there obviously not intelligent enough to hack the game for God mode or descent pvp players handed them there arse on a plate.1 -
mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »Yeah, pvp... AINT IT GREAT! I once road a wereshark. I once saw one warden take on 15 players and lived....One of these statements are false.
And that's the exact problem with ESO. In order to have any chance of being impactful in PvP you need a dedicated character with different sets and morphs. Those 15 people were probably PvE players on their PvE chars. Even cobbling a PvP set together just for the event or occasional PvP won't make that much of a difference against a dedicated PvP player, who has everything set up just for PvP. I've seen such situations numerous times over the last couple days as throngs of PvE players joined in on the "fun". And since most of them joined the non-CP version (including me, I'm not 810 yet), the damage flying around is completely ludicrous. I predict a lot of seal-clubbing youtube videos from the *gud* PvP players in the next couple of weeks.1 -
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✭Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.
Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?
I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..
Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!
I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.
But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.
We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.
My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.
of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.
And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event0 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
No one is forcing you to PVP. THe rewards your get, minus the double AP, are PURELY cosmetic...it won't help you make that Vet dungeon run of March of Sacrifices better, it won't help you heal and mitigate damage from Lord Falgravan in Aegis Trial. These events are PURELY cosmetic. Complaining as a PVEer or PvPer is a waste of time. Its money for ZoS, plain and simple. If you want cosmetics, than you need to expand your horizons. I was 100% a PVEer only, but (minus the infinite amount of bugs Cyrodiil has, can't lie about that) I grew to enjoy PvP and the comradery or in some case the greater rivalry that can take place. These events are optional. Nothing you can do about it except participate or not to participate.1 -
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✭Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
No one is forcing you to PVP. THe rewards your get, minus the double AP, are PURELY cosmetic...it won't help you make that Vet dungeon run of March of Sacrifices better, it won't help you heal and mitigate damage from Lord Falgravan in Aegis Trial. These events are PURELY cosmetic. Complaining as a PVEer or PvPer is a waste of time. Its money for ZoS, plain and simple. If you want cosmetics, than you need to expand your horizons. I was 100% a PVEer only, but (minus the infinite amount of bugs Cyrodiil has, can't lie about that) I grew to enjoy PvP and the comradery or in some case the greater rivalry that can take place. These events are optional. Nothing you can do about it except participate or not to participate.
Do pvpers care about the cosmetics? Most I know don't that much. I mean there was the argument that it was about the gold but how much do those style pages actually sell for?1 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
You said that this event's rewards are aimed at PvEers, as most PvPers would have no interest in them. I merely pointed out that's not true because 'PvPers' can also have more interest than just killing players
People shouldn't *have* to do anything in a game unless they want to, we can agree on that (at least as long as they're playing solo). Fortunately, they don't in ESO, there're plenty of activities for all sorts of gameplay and there's nothing objectively forcing them into any one kind of content.
The style pages from most events go pretty cheap from what I've seen. So not sure why anyone would bother farming them. There's a lot more valuable stuff to farm hell try out the latest expansion a lot of stuff from that is going for a lot.
Nah, those style pages, right now are going for almost 100k. But like most new releases, they are extremely high up initially but they ALL die down to below 10k for the most part. No matter if its PvP drops or PvE drops. And that was the latest MM and TC info, of course as far as pricing of anything goes, its changes with the wind and certainly dies down after enough time has passed.1 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »Yeah, pvp... AINT IT GREAT! I once road a wereshark. I once saw one warden take on 15 players and lived....One of these statements are false.
PvP, like PvE are based around its community, and its knowledge! You cant walk into PvP and expect to win. As well, expect to be farmed in this event. Some people will walk on by, yes. Others will stealth near quest hubs and kill you until they are bored.
Add on's can help.. Like MIAT's (whatever)
Combat metrics can help you see what you are actually doing in PvP (and PvE)
I know there is a stealth detector add on. Not sure what its called. But it tells you when someone hides near you and a general area. Marking yourself off line while in Sillydill, may help.
Wear heavy armor, put a healy staff on, and a sword and board. Go for health and regen. Slap on on monster set that will help restore stats. Get your resistances up to 30k, and wander around in a large group healing yourself. (Warden or Necro classes help)
Watch for the Jackoffs that follow you around for an hour trying to gank you every time you turn your back, and you'll be just fine!
Is it Wereshark??? Is that the one that's false???? Thank you for posting more hints for better survival in PVP.0 -
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✭Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »You're triggered over a PvP event when pretty much every other event is PvE. PvPers have to do PvE for the PvE events, just like you have to do some PvP content for Midyear, it's not unfair or bad design in any way. If you don't want to do PvP, just skip this event, just like what tons of PvPers do for the PvE events.
Honestly I've seen pvpers complaining about pvers in their pve and some saying they'd keep killing them till they all leave. The event is aimed at rewards that have more interest to pve players aside from the extra ap during event to get pvers in it.
Um...did you really just say that THE PvP event, featuring double reward for killing other players, is somehow targetting PvEers?o.O The very idea of Midyear Mayhem is double AP. MM without double AP is like fishing without fish or MA without MA weapons.
It gives out berries for some indrik mount and style pages for new outfits. I don't know many pvpers who care much of that side. But the other events for these mounts have been pve related and then they put a pvp one...so umm yeah it kind of is aimed to get them involved. And why do you think they put extra instances of all the pvp? Cause they knew pvers would come to it.
First, you seem to think there's some 100% segregated 'PvP' community that is there only and exclusively for PvP, never ever stepping foot out of Cyrodiil/IC and not caring about anything in the world other than killing other players. This is not true. Most PvEers try PvP sooner or later (some during events such as these ones), and some of them grow to like it - likewise, a lot of long-term PvPers do some pretty hardcore PvE as well. Most of the people who enjoy IC enjoy killing bosses with the added risk of PvP, or spicing up PvP fights with district bosses. What makes you think these people have no interest in motifs or mounts? That's just not fair lol.
Second, motifs are actually BoE so if you're aversed to farming them, you'll be able to buy them just fine, and the people who don't need them will be able to sell them just fine too. I assure you that even the PvPers that don't care about motifs do care about gold. Indrik now...that is BoP, but this thing has been part of any event for a while, no matter the nature of the event. It's not there exclusively for MM, it's just some additional treat to get people into events in general.
You need to stop separating the playerbase into 'PvPers' and 'PvEers'. You entered a PvP zone. You're now a PvPer. If you did this in your PvE setup, all this makes you is a bad PvPer.
Never said that. I've done both int he past. But there are some who don't want to do either. I know plenty who like to just do dungeons and questing and what not with friends. Point being if they don't want to do that side I don't feel they should have to. Now where exactly did I say it's 100% segregated? I love when people say I said things that I never actually said. I just feel that people shouldn't have to do that side to if they don't want to. I've done both but I find pve more chill and relaxed.
You said that this event's rewards are aimed at PvEers, as most PvPers would have no interest in them. I merely pointed out that's not true because 'PvPers' can also have more interest than just killing players
People shouldn't *have* to do anything in a game unless they want to, we can agree on that (at least as long as they're playing solo). Fortunately, they don't in ESO, there're plenty of activities for all sorts of gameplay and there's nothing objectively forcing them into any one kind of content.
The style pages from most events go pretty cheap from what I've seen. So not sure why anyone would bother farming them. There's a lot more valuable stuff to farm hell try out the latest expansion a lot of stuff from that is going for a lot.
Nah, those style pages, right now are going for almost 100k. But like most new releases, they are extremely high up initially but they ALL die down to below 10k for the most part. No matter if its PvP drops or PvE drops. And that was the latest MM and TC info, of course as far as pricing of anything goes, its changes with the wind and certainly dies down after enough time has passed.
I have to wonder who would actually pay that much for them. Though then again I've seen stuff from Greymoor going for high pricings. But how many actually pay that much for them? Would be easy to just wait for price to go down.1 -
Shokner✭✭✭Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »
No one is forcing you to PVP. THe rewards your get, minus the double AP, are PURELY cosmetic...it won't help you make that Vet dungeon run of March of Sacrifices better, it won't help you heal and mitigate damage from Lord Falgravan in Aegis Trial. These events are PURELY cosmetic. Complaining as a PVEer or PvPer is a waste of time. Its money for ZoS, plain and simple. If you want cosmetics, than you need to expand your horizons. I was 100% a PVEer only, but (minus the infinite amount of bugs Cyrodiil has, can't lie about that) I grew to enjoy PvP and the comradery or in some case the greater rivalry that can take place. These events are optional. Nothing you can do about it except participate or not to participate.
Sort of doesn't make sense can you name another way as to get this cosmetic which everyone understands gives no other benefit to the game. This means your forced to play it if you really want it unless they run another event during the year that gives the opportunity to get this cosmetic for non pvpers.1 -
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✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.
Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?
I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..
Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!
I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.
But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.
We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.
My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.
of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.
And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event
You know, they don't wear an 'I'm here for PvE only' signs either...is it the PvPer's duty to carefully check what they're doing first? Low rank isn't showing anything, might just be a new character. Even questing isn't showing anything, everyone is doing quests for tickets now, but PvPers are all for fighting players while doing it. What is it you're supposed to do, jump around and wait to see if they choose to engage in a fight?
I did that yesterday. Someone was low rank and didn't attack on sight so I didn't either. They ran away and 2 minutes later they came back with 5 of their friends and happily zerged me down (I haven't PvP'd for like 3 years so I'm kinda rusty, it probably wasn't impossible to kill them all anyway). Because apparently 'I don't wanna PvP' only goes for NvN scenarios, 5*NvN they can suddenly PvP just fine.
This is not a one time scenario, this has happened several times. Low rank people shying away from 1v1 encounters but happily zerging you down on sight with friends a minute later.
Don't portray poor lonely PvEers as the ultimate victim here. They're not some innocent martyrs cruelly forced into an unpleasant experience, they're people who willingly chose to partake in it, and a lot of them are being op hypocritical about it with this 'can't PvP 1v1 but sure can 5v1' attitude.2 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.
Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?
I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..
Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!
I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.
But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.
We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.
My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.
of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.
And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event
And as i said already, both sides extreme camps complain about things.. it is what it is. Because PVP guilds who cannot get their whole groups to campaigns because there is a 150 long queues.. and PVE players because they get killed when doing Dailys.
Most people can live with these things and have fun. I personally and most i know welcome PVE players and always wish many will stay after event also. PVP scene always needs fresh players to join in. Same as endgame PVE trial groups need fresh people joining in, or both "endgame" camps get smaller. Most understand this thing.
PVP players are not a one entity that all think the Campaigns belong to some "pure pvp players" only, most understand that we need fresh players. And we welcome them.
But, there are, as you know, the extreme people, like on the other side too.. that just get more triggered from all the demands to turn the last fun PVP things into more PVE-like. I mean, we have our frustrations from the bad performance already for years, we do not need some saying that even our last events should be taken away.
One can become rather frustrated and then go let that steam out. This game is about relaxing, right? So PVE players have most events for relaxing and doing pve things on them, we have IC & Mayhem.. and some want them taken away from us?
But think we cannot find a mutual understanding on this i feel. Thus i wish you a good day and hope you and others like you can find fun in this event, and if not - can skip it. There will be PVE events soon enough again. 2 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »WhyMustItBe wrote: »Whats wrong with the Midyear Mayhem event?
Any game that forces PVE players to engage in PVP activities for ANY reason, even to gain some silly pixel reward like an Indrik mount, is catering to the worst aspect of the gaming community.
I speak of the aspect that in Black Desert Online for an obvious example, sit and gank crafters and fishers all day instead of seeking actual challenge or some semblance of sportsmanlike conduct and legit competition.
I'm talking about people who, knowing there is an influx of PVE players, go total ham selfish and camp entry points (and exit points) to the sewers, trapping people with no PVP gear or chance to defend themselves, nor interest in being there, basically wasting their time and ruining their experience.
For all I know, that is actually the whole reason they do it. Because it makes them happy to waste other people's time.
Any time a game is set up in such a way that rewards this type of behavior, even if not the explicitly intended result, I feel like I am contributing to a bad parent rewarding a child for rolling around on the floor in a place of business, knocking things off shelves and causing a scene.
I feel compelled to do more to protest my vicarious sponsorship of such behavior.
Or camping the exits and stuff comes after reading some demands at the forums for PVP events to stop being a thing. Personally after reading these kind of demand posts.. i feel like doing the same honestly. I have a very nasty ganker for it.
Even i normally not do such things but let pve questers get their daily tickets unless they attack me first. But these kind of demands.. that the 2 events we have (IC and Mayhem) should not exist makes me sorta bloodlusted. There are PVE only events the rest of the year, all other events.
So maybe let us enjoy these 2 events as we let you enjoy your PVE events?
Cause that's going to help pvp grow and get more people wanting to try it right? I mean I'd think more pvp focused players would want more to actually enjoy the pvp zones and maybe help them and get them into it but it seems like a fair few just want to annoy them until they leave even before event started there were pvpers in forums complaining about the event that it'd bring pvers into their zones and bragging about how they'd gank them all and one who said they'd keep killing them till they leave and took offence to pvers ruining their games. Yet in cyrodil I see a lot wanting more focus on pvp yet that sort of behavior is counter productive. I mean the event could be used to get more into the pvp side showing them it but instead it seems much like. And then some wonder why some pvers don't like pvp events. Fact is I've seen both pvers and pvpers complaining about the event. Some pvpers don't want pvers in this areas. It could be used to help pvp grow but instead it turns into something toxic then some wonder why pve players don't like these events. I feel as if they want a pvp event then they should have rewards focused on pvp content.
As i said on my next post after this one you quoted, both extremes on pvp & pve camps complain about having to do mixed things out of their comfort zones. But imo it is a big strenght to this game, mixing up things.
It makes people better in the game if can adapt to both sides of it. And gives more to do. In ZOS data that means players play for longer times, thus pay for ESO+ and buy crowns for switching up things, leveling new alts, and now changing Alliances also is possible. ZOS wants this, players playing all sides of the game. Smart players realize this and adapt to both if they wanna stay competitive and/or want shiny things/rewards.
ZOS also has given a way to get the shiny things without PVP, as in buying Event Tickets. So there is a way.. ZOS is smart on such things. They give people all the options!
If they wanted people to get involved both sides well the pvpers purposely targeting pvers seeing them as easy marks are setting that back. As I said in an earlier post if that were the way the best way to get them involved would be to help them not people just trying to annoy them. Also if ZOS cared about pvp then cyrodil wouldn't be the buggy mess it is. I've seen a lot of pvpers wanting the game to go back to how it was in the start saying it was more pvp focused. Also this is another thing that PVPers taking part in a pve event don't have to worry so much of pvers going after them. So it's not really on the same level.
Then also is it not so that the best way from PVE people is not to demand PVP events to be turned into PVE ones since most events already are PVE events? So if you say PVP people annoy PVE people by killing them at a PVP area.. then how come demanding pvp to be stopped in a pvp area is not also deliberately trying to annoy PVP players? And thus making them even more come after any questers they see?
I bet you understand my point if you think about it. These demands of pvp events to be ended and demands on making Cyrodiil a PVE zone have been long time happening on the forums. Some pvp players get salty about such and of course the go then show what they think on the event areas..
Personally i have often helped PVE players, cleared Quest hubs from gankers and those who use cheesy tactics inside Bruma house and so on.. but demands like these makes me not wanna help, but makes me rather wanna join in on killing everyone i see - no mercy lol!
I also am a member of a trade/social guild, where i often help "pve only" players with pvp builds and stuff, even doing sort of "bodyguard" services if asked to help, also helping against gankers and stuff. Also doing IC runs for 1st timers.. So i help a lot of people. We are not all toxic "bad people" lol.
But these kind of demand topics.. make one kinda wanna go and kill everyone on the daily areas. If there just was respect for both camps, would be nice.
We wanna enjoy our 2 pvp events. And some demanding those to be also turned to PVE.. deserve to be killed repeatedly on their Daily runs.
My Master`s Maul can cleave whole groups of people, it is hungry now. Well, after the maintenance it shall feed like Lucille.
of course you're right they wouldn't target pve players at all if they had said nothing even not knowing whether the one they target does it then wonder why pve players don't like the event hmm interesting. And I'm not saying that killing in general but there are some who will specifically try to target pve players and many who admitted to such. As I said before and why do I have to keep repeating this? Even before the event started there were pvp players bragging about how they'd gank as many pvers as they could and at least one saying how he'd keep killing them till they leave.
And do you ask the ones who target if they had complained about it or do you just make that assumption? Do they wear signs that say they want the event to stop? Or is it just a thing of 'damn those pvers'? I've seen plenty of pvp players not liking this event either some even saying they'd avoid cyrodil till it's over complaining about how it'll make more laggy or that pvers won't know what they'de doing some going on about how they'd kill them and make them leave. So it's not even just the pver side who don't like this event
You know, they don't wear an 'I'm here for PvE only' signs either...is it the PvPer's duty to carefully check what they're doing first? Low rank isn't showing anything, might just be a new character. Even questing isn't showing anything, everyone is doing quests for tickets now, but PvPers are all for fighting players while doing it. What is it you're supposed to do, jump around and wait to see if they choose to engage in a fight?
I did that yesterday. Someone was low rank and didn't attack on sight so I didn't either. They ran away and 2 minutes later they came back with 5 of their friends and happily zerged me down (I haven't PvP'd for like 3 years so I'm kinda rusty, it probably wasn't impossible to kill them all anyway). Because apparently 'I don't wanna PvP' only goes for NvN scenarios, 5*NvN they can suddenly PvP just fine.
This is not a one time scenario, this has happened several times. Low rank people shying away from 1v1 encounters but happily zerging you down on sight with friends a minute later.
Don't portray poor lonely PvEers as the ultimate victim here. They're not some innocent martyrs cruelly forced into an unpleasant experience, they're people who willingly chose to partake in it, and a lot of them are being op hypocritical about it with this 'can't PvP 1v1 but sure can 5v1' attitude.
No, it isn't. But there are areas where people would only go for questing even in cyrodil (heck there are entire towns just for that) and as I pointed out some have bragged about how they would target pvers and some wanted to do so to force them to leave. When someone fully admits they intend to target pvers and I saw a fair few bragging about this can we say that they are indeed not doing this? I mean if they're near a keep or something sure assume that they're going to do something.0 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »Pink_E_808 wrote: »Idk if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but OP, you DO realize that we only get PvP events TWICE a year, right? PvP players are forced into PvE for gear whether there's an event or not. Just go into one of the extra campaigns, that's what they're there for.
To be fair. PvP only players are playing a game whose genre, up until this one, has been single player RPGs. It's to expect that the focus on PvE content and story would be huge. Just kind of the game they're playing. Which means, that a lot of players are coming to this game from that RPG only element so dealing with PvP may not be as fun for them, and probably why they're a lot more outspoken than PvE only people in other games.
Just be glad that we don't have FFXIV level PvP. If that doesn't scream after thought then I don't know what does.
The focus IS PVE content in ESO. Like, lets be honest....HOW could an NON-online game even portray or add into its contents PVP....Seriously, that would be impossible for a OFFLINE game to do. And I am sorry, there are not many online games that are strictly PVE only. Kinda defeats the purpose of online gaming if you can't kill the other players, especially if the storyline (the very first few Cinematics) heavily portray the Three Banners War. I know of Trials, Arenas and 4 man dungeons that require groups, but PvP IS essential for MOST online games. I have completed all the trials and most on Vet (same with 4 man dungeons and arenas). I know PVE is the main selling point, but its real crappy to completely disregard the PvP community. If this bugs you, you can always go back to playing Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. Then you don't have to deal with all these various players with various needs. Even better Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all have various MODS that you can download and install to make it perfect for YOUR gameplay.
There's other stuff to do in an online game besides killing other players. You know like questing, dungeons, social content and what not and just having other people to play with. Not all gaming has to be aimed at killing each other. PVP isn't essential but it is there. Would the game survive without it? Well given it seems a good part of the playerbase are pve focused well es it could not that I'm suggesting they should simply pointing out that it doesn't require it. And I never said to disregard them simply that pve players shouldn't have to feel they have to pvp especially when most aren't geared or speced to pvp. And guess what? Plenty of pvers enjoy the social aspects and just questing with people and just people able to play together without killing each other. By your comparison of 'Go back to Morrowind' I could say 'Go back to Call of Duty'
I did mention questing and dungeons, and I did mention that PVEing is a huge part of ESO gameplay. I wasn't ignorant to that at all. I am saying its really crappy to disregard the minority of a community cuz it doesn't fit YOUR playstyle. There are only 2 events max that focus on PvP, Midyear Mayham and the elusive IC event. PVEer have Witches Festival, New Life, Jesters Festival, Darkbrotherhood event, Thieves Guild event, Wrothgar event, Summerset event, Murkmire event, Undaunted event, etc...Those Indrik berries and feathers always come back (didn't for a spill there but now they do), event tickets are also purchasable for those who are soooo disagreeable to doing "PvP" in any shape or form (even though scouting mission in Cyrodiil and ALL of the dailies in Imperial city are, by nature, PVE.) Those style pages...also able to buy from other players. And should PvP players feel oppressed from the fact that in their gear they can't do Vet content; that they can't even PvP without some gear coming from PVE?? You can play the "PVEers shouldn't have to feel they have to pvp when most aren't geared" but PvPers HAVE to do PVE content 70% of the time, to even be geared for basic PVP!2 -
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✭Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »Pink_E_808 wrote: »Idk if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but OP, you DO realize that we only get PvP events TWICE a year, right? PvP players are forced into PvE for gear whether there's an event or not. Just go into one of the extra campaigns, that's what they're there for.
To be fair. PvP only players are playing a game whose genre, up until this one, has been single player RPGs. It's to expect that the focus on PvE content and story would be huge. Just kind of the game they're playing. Which means, that a lot of players are coming to this game from that RPG only element so dealing with PvP may not be as fun for them, and probably why they're a lot more outspoken than PvE only people in other games.
Just be glad that we don't have FFXIV level PvP. If that doesn't scream after thought then I don't know what does.
The focus IS PVE content in ESO. Like, lets be honest....HOW could an NON-online game even portray or add into its contents PVP....Seriously, that would be impossible for a OFFLINE game to do. And I am sorry, there are not many online games that are strictly PVE only. Kinda defeats the purpose of online gaming if you can't kill the other players, especially if the storyline (the very first few Cinematics) heavily portray the Three Banners War. I know of Trials, Arenas and 4 man dungeons that require groups, but PvP IS essential for MOST online games. I have completed all the trials and most on Vet (same with 4 man dungeons and arenas). I know PVE is the main selling point, but its real crappy to completely disregard the PvP community. If this bugs you, you can always go back to playing Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. Then you don't have to deal with all these various players with various needs. Even better Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all have various MODS that you can download and install to make it perfect for YOUR gameplay.
There's other stuff to do in an online game besides killing other players. You know like questing, dungeons, social content and what not and just having other people to play with. Not all gaming has to be aimed at killing each other. PVP isn't essential but it is there. Would the game survive without it? Well given it seems a good part of the playerbase are pve focused well es it could not that I'm suggesting they should simply pointing out that it doesn't require it. And I never said to disregard them simply that pve players shouldn't have to feel they have to pvp especially when most aren't geared or speced to pvp. And guess what? Plenty of pvers enjoy the social aspects and just questing with people and just people able to play together without killing each other. By your comparison of 'Go back to Morrowind' I could say 'Go back to Call of Duty'
I did mention questing and dungeons, and I did mention that PVEing is a huge part of ESO gameplay. I wasn't ignorant to that at all. I am saying its really crappy to disregard the minority of a community cuz it doesn't fit YOUR playstyle. There are only 2 events max that focus on PvP, Midyear Mayham and the elusive IC event. PVEer have Witches Festival, New Life, Jesters Festival, Darkbrotherhood event, Thieves Guild event, Wrothgar event, Summerset event, Murkmire event, Undaunted event, etc...Those Indrik berries and feathers always come back (didn't for a spill there but now they do), event tickets are also purchasable for those who are soooo disagreeable to doing "PvP" in any shape or form (even though scouting mission in Cyrodiil and ALL of the dailies in Imperial city are, by nature, PVE.) Those style pages...also able to buy from other players. And should PvP players feel oppressed from the fact that in their gear they can't do Vet content; that they can't even PvP without some gear coming from PVE?? You can play the "PVEers shouldn't have to feel they have to pvp when most aren't geared" but PvPers HAVE to do PVE content 70% of the time, to even be geared for basic PVP!
Well someone suggested in another post here of having pvp and pve events at the same time so both crowds get their thing. Which to me would be a good solution. And you know even if pvpers hate doing pve content you know at least they don't have people trying to prevent them or bother them or making it any worse for them to do so. They can literally just do it quickly and be out without any trouble from anyone.1 -
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✭But as I said a good solution would be to have an event for both at the same time both giving rewards(maybe same rewards but can only be earned once from either pvp or pve side)2