If Ali can animation cancel a punch, I should be able to animation cancel abilities. Including ults.

SenpaiNFT · February 2020

Title. There isn’t any true, plausible argument against animation cancelling. Every argument made has been proven to be baseless and heresay. Devs have already said it’s not an exploit, and have encouraged doing it.

https://youtu.be/ThZtwhYkKSs

Furthermore, it’s been in the game 5+ years, at this point in time it is clearly a feature and anyone who says otherwise simply has a dearth of game knowledge. You have my answer, and if I am wrong, your business is to take up the argument and refute me(Meno l88). - have at it. Bring logical claims and back them with proof or else you commit fallacy and will be ignored. RIP to the Goat Socrates. Also RIP to the Goat Cassius Clay. Also RIP Kobe, Nip, and Snupe.

rager82b14_ESO · February 2020

You could not post this in other thread? but I will clearly say it again.

Developers said it was not intended, that means it is a exploit.

Developers also said that they are balance around it because it is something players do. Since we exploited it so much, they have to balance around it.

To say that it is not a exploit because devs want us to do it now is just silly. It was not intended, we found out. They lack the skill, time, or willingness to fix a exploit that was not in the vision of combat when it was made. So now they support it.

It looks bad on them for supporting it, but things are changing. I heard we got a new team working on combat, and now is the time for our voices to be heard after years and years of asking them to fix it.

SenpaiNFT · February 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

You could not post this in other thread? but I will clearly say it again.

Developers said it was not intended, that means it is a exploit.

Developers also said that they are balance around it because it is something players do. Since we exploited it so much, they have to balance around it.

To say that it is not a exploit because devs want us to do it now is just silly. It was not intended, we found out. They lack the skill, time, or willingness to fix a exploit that was not in the vision of combat when it was made. So now they support it.

It looks bad on them for supporting it, but things are changing. I heard we got a new team working on combat, and now is the time for our voices to be heard after years and years of asking them to fix it.

Heresay. Provide proof of the following
1. Developers stating AC is unintended
2. Developers stating anything unintended that’s used is an exploit

Your current argument has no evidence thus it gets ignored. Come back with evidence to back your claim. I refer you to OP.

mague · February 2020

Sad state of affairs.

The lawmakers try to avoid making laws as along as possible. But one extreme causes the opposite extreme and the fight goes on until the lawmakers have to step in. What remains is boring and regulated dullness that doesnt make anyone happy.

How about some good old self regulated responsibility ?

Dont min.-max and dont make min-maxed numbers the gauge for all and everything. Its a game, a GAME !!!

A game is a structured form of play, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes used as an educational tool.[1] Games are distinct from work, which is usually carried out for remuneration, and from art, which is more often an expression of aesthetic or ideological elements.

If you put your time on the stake and min-max it is called gambling.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements to be present: consideration (an amount wagered), risk (chance), and a prize.

Gamers waste their time intentionally into fun, gambler only want to beat the odds.

#BringBackTheFun

rager82b14_ESO · February 2020

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

No evidence. Ignored.

Well you can ignore facts all you want. We still going to correct you, and make sure others see you are wrong. See my name tag? See how it says I was a tester? Ya you knew that.

I'm not going to go back and find old posts for you. It is a well known fact in the community that the developers said it was not intended. In fact, as a tester. We reported it, and they claim they had fixes for it. Only to make it worse in a patch.

After a long time of saying nothing about it. After we started fighting among ourselves how it is consider an exploit. They embraced it because they could not fix it.

You knew that right? If no, well glad you learn something. And if you really did ignore it. Well I'm sure someone learn some history.

RefLiberty · February 2020

OP.

There are people that can help. It is super easy, you just sit down and talk.

Although they do not come cheap in all occasions.

Noxavian · February 2020

Animation cancelling is an exploit. Deal with. It.

It is being worked to be removed, that's it, end of story.

Qbiken · February 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Animation cancelling is an exploit. Deal with. It.

It is being worked to be removed, that's it, end of story.

You're wrong, deal with it

)))))))

Noxavian · February 2020

Qbiken wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

Animation cancelling is an exploit. Deal with. It.

It is being worked to be removed, that's it, end of story.

You're wrong, deal with it )))))))

That's why the devs are working on removing it, right?

Im totally wrong, yeah. Even though the devs have LITERALLY said it's an exploit and causes de-syncs and they are working on removing it.

InvitationNotFound · February 2020

What? In 2020 there is still this discussion?

While technically a broken mechanic an thus it would be exploiting, ZOS did say it is part of the game. Therefore, it is not exploiting / cheating and all good. Like it or not. But these kind of threads / comments are getting old.

Besides of that, most players don't even realize that they are canceling animations too, e.g. when dodge rolling / weapon swapping.

And yes, remove all cast times of ultimates...

Qbiken · February 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

Animation cancelling is an exploit. Deal with. It.

It is being worked to be removed, that's it, end of story.

You're wrong, deal with it )))))))

That's why the devs are working on removing it, right?

Im totally wrong, yeah. Even though the devs have LITERALLY said it's an exploit and causes de-syncs and they are working on removing it.

If you refer to Gilliam´s video he never states that it´s an exploit, so again you´re wrong. The desync isn´t caused by animation cancelling itself but for other reason (which has been explained in several other threads the last few days, so i take the freedom not to rewrite those things again)

At this point I´m just going to assume that you and similar likeminded individuals are activily trying to provoke and spread missinformation for the sake of it simple because you dislike the Visuals of animation cancelling (which is unironically what you´re doing).

colossalvoids · February 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

Animation cancelling is an exploit. Deal with. It.

It is being worked to be removed, that's it, end of story.

You're wrong, deal with it )))))))

That's why the devs are working on removing it, right?

Im totally wrong, yeah. Even though the devs have LITERALLY said it's an exploit and causes de-syncs and they are working on removing it.

Not a single combat team member said that, lmao. If you're not understanding what they are working on just don't post or do some research before.

Posts like that should be removed for baiting and misinformation.

RefLiberty · February 2020

It amazes me that there are people that are defending broken mechanics, e.g. it requires from them to do more work during combat, press more buttons and need to cancel stuff instead of pushing ZOS to rework it and try to create more fluid combat system.

It is like defending the job of pushing square stones instead of sitting down and thinking to make it round or maybe to put a wheels below if they must be square.

What a Muppet show.

MrBrownstone · February 2020

I don't really understand how is it gonna be better without AC. We have to light attack constantly to gain ultimate. They're gonna have to change that I guess. Because if AC is gone, light attack weaving has to go.

I think only the light weaving was not intended but block cancel and bar swap cancel was intended to make combat more reactive. I also think that light weaving is a bit lame but the other cancels are crucial. I'd love to see those anti-AC people play tank without block cancel.

Rave the Histborn · February 2020

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

Title. There isn’t any true, plausible argument against animation cancelling. Every argument made has been proven to be baseless and heresay. Devs have already said it’s not an exploit, and have encouraged doing it. https://youtu.be/ThZtwhYkKSs

Furthermore, it’s been in the game 5+ years, at this point in time it is clearly a feature and anyone who says otherwise simply has a dearth of game knowledge. You have my answer, and if I am wrong, your business is to take up the argument and refute me(Meno l88). - have at it. Bring logical claims and back them with proof or else you commit fallacy and will be ignored. RIP to the Goat Socrates. Also RIP to the Goat Cassius Clay. Also RIP Kobe, Nip, and Snupe.

It is clearly a glitch, the developers have said it was a glitch. They "like it" which is code word for "it's too expensive to fix" so it isn't going anywhere but it isn't meant to be in the game and it causes more problems in the game than the PVP/PVE simultaneous balancing ZOS chooses to do.

I do agree that combat would be boring without it but that's the only reason it gets encouraged. Instead of having to create interesting combat they rely on animation canceling to make up for their lack of vision and ability to execute

Malmai · February 2020

Animation canceling is worst exploit in this game, you can just combine 3 abilities in one broken combo and you cant even react unless you lucky dodge roll. So you cant react if you cant see, might as well remove dodge and block at this point. Why you think builds with permablock were made, because this unskilled ac exploit...

Malmai · February 2020

MrBrownstone wrote: »

I don't really understand how is it gonna be better without AC. We have to light attack constantly to gain ultimate. They're gonna have to change that I guess. Because if AC is gone, light attack weaving has to go.

I think only the light weaving was not intended but block cancel and bar swap cancel was intended to make combat more reactive. I also think that light weaving is a bit lame but the other cancels are crucial. I'd love to see those anti-AC people play tank without block cancel.

Thats is the point its easy to tank with block casting, u put DK with 50k health, bloodspawn, and healer and you cant die.

relentless_turnip · February 2020

To me trying to explain why animation cancelling is not exploit to people is like try to tell flat earther's the world is a sphere...

It doesn't matter how much evidence there is to prove the world is round people will take the smallest piece of information and gratify their mental theory with it.

You can justify a lot of stupidity by honing in on a small portion of information. You can self verify by absorbing only a few of the words of a much greater passage.

The OP has posted a video of the developer saying it is something in the game they encourage the use of it. If the people who make the game say it isn't an exploit how the *** do you argue with that?!

It is the equivalent to God saying to a flat earther "yep sorry the world is round" and the flat earther being like "I don't think so".

Like what evidence do you actually need, I seriously don't know if anything else can be said or done to extinguish the level of ignorance surrounding this debate!

relentless_turnip · February 2020

Malmai wrote: »

Animation canceling is worst exploit in this game, you can just combine 3 abilities in one broken combo and you cant even react unless you lucky dodge roll. So you cant react if you cant see, might as well remove dodge and block at this point. Why you think builds with permablock were made, because this unskilled ac exploit...

is this a joke? You died to a light attack - skill and presumably a bash?

If that killed you then seek help with your build.... because you are not wearing armor, but infact paper... and you should be equally concerned by a strong wind in cyrodiil!

You are not ani cancelling if you are perma blocking.... you are just holding block, i.e... PERMANENTLY BLOCKING!!

WTF? the level of ignorance on here is literally killing my soul

MajBludd · February 2020

@relentless_turnip its mental illness.
Truth doesnt matter only how they can twist it to fit their needs or agenda.

InvitationNotFound · February 2020

Malmai wrote: »

Animation canceling is worst exploit in this game, you can just combine 3 abilities in one broken combo and you cant even react unless you lucky dodge roll. So you cant react if you cant see, might as well remove dodge and block at this point. Why you think builds with permablock were made, because this unskilled ac exploit...

You can't bypass the global cooldowns. So if you get hit by a 3 ability combo, that would have taken some time (at least two seconds). If that's not enough for you to react... than that's the issue, not AC...

I mean it is fine to say that you do not like AC or consider it an exploit (which technically would be true, but then again, ZOS wants it in the game, so... deal with it). But coming up with things that aren't true or do not work at all that way won't help any discussion.

relentless_turnip · February 2020

MajBludd wrote: »

@relentless_turnip its mental illness.
Truth doesnt matter only how they can twist it to fit their needs or agenda.

I think there should be a qualifying questionnaire/exam to speak in the forums

Malmai · February 2020

Rly? Why than nerfed incap? Incap, light, bash, surprise attack, selene that is 1 sec combo? Will not speak for other abilities on different classes bcs abuse.

StaticWave · February 2020

It's so pointless debating with anti-AC people. You can literally throw all the evidence against their argument and they will still repeat the same crap everytime lmfao. Throw a video of ZOS developers literally supporting AC at them = "iTs a gLitCH". Try to explain how it works = "iTs a gLitCH". Try to explain why it would be bad for the game if removed = "iTs a gLitCH". It's the only argument they can come up with lmao

InvitationNotFound · February 2020

Malmai wrote: »

Rly? Why than nerfed incap? Incap, light, bash, surprise attack, selene that is 1 sec combo? Will not speak for other abilities on different classes bcs abuse.

I do not consider bash to be an ability (neither LA).
If the bash did kill you... you got other issues.

Again, it is not possible to bypass the global cooldown of abilities.

ThePedge · February 2020

Cast times on ultimates is the single worst change to ever happen to this game.

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Animation cancelling, trust or not, is now an officialy approved feature. Even in-game tip encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell.

Faulgor · February 2020

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

You could not post this in other thread? but I will clearly say it again.

Developers said it was not intended, that means it is a exploit.

Developers also said that they are balance around it because it is something players do. Since we exploited it so much, they have to balance around it.

To say that it is not a exploit because devs want us to do it now is just silly. It was not intended, we found out. They lack the skill, time, or willingness to fix a exploit that was not in the vision of combat when it was made. So now they support it.

It looks bad on them for supporting it, but things are changing. I heard we got a new team working on combat, and now is the time for our voices to be heard after years and years of asking them to fix it.

Heresay. Provide proof of the following
1. Developers stating AC is unintended.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/119133/confirmed-animation-cancellation-not-intended

Using animation canceling (especially light attacks into skills, henceforth "weaving") for damage rotations wasn't initially intended, and only later embraced by the devs when they effectively gave the reigns of combat design over to the players. That's when Wrobel had to come out and clarify that this is now considered okay to use and people shouldn't worry about using an "exploit".

MajBludd · February 2020

If they can claim enough ppl don't want ani cancel, then they can further push its removal with made up numbers. Its typical social media crap brainwashing.

Aurielle · February 2020

Malmai wrote: »

Animation canceling is worst exploit in this game, you can just combine 3 abilities in one broken combo and you cant even react unless you lucky dodge roll.

False.

gatekeeper13 · February 2020

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

No evidence. Ignored.

Fails to even attempt to refute my claims. Ignored.

Derailing comment. Ignored.

Quoting other peoples' comments and writing "ignored" below them isnt an argument nor does is it give you points. It only proves that you have ZERO arguments and are unable to refute other peoples' opinions.

Grow up and discuss like a mature man/woman.