MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Joinovikova wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »
I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now, they should give to it only 50% damage reduction but make it free from cost increase..
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
Sheild stack is not posible for long time on non CP due to high cost of sheilds ..MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Old DK wings were reflecting every ranged projectile. Forum were complaining about reflect not negate
oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Old DK wings were reflecting every ranged projectile. Forum were complaining about reflect not negate
It was DK ability to shut down projectile builds. Damage was a cherry on top. Watch old duels between projectile builds and DKs, it always came down to if the former could kill the DK in the second wings dropped.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
Mag sorc has basicaly not problem with Templars is one of the classes who can actualy fight with them and sometimes also wins. What is not fair Nb vs templar DK vs templar.... especíaly mag DK vs stamplar its not fair fight..MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
Of course everyone's experience may wary and there many ways to cancel magsorc's burst, for example Mist available to everyone does that just fine, i.e. see meteor -> mist -> burst is totally cancelled. So it will be question of lag, player reaction, current bar - etc - if streak stun will happen earlier then mist. Stamplar's Ritual is twice more expensive then curse... yeah, it will cleanse other effects too, but given that you also need to spam toppling charge (TC) there is zero chance to have enough magicka on stamplar to purge each curse. And here one of the most important points, is that if you play solo and if you want to kill people, Turn Evil with all it's downsides is still the best way because it almost guarantees onslaught hit.
Toppling charge doesn't guarantee anything... Majority of players blocks/dodges TC 80% of the time and off-balance was it's most valuable part (Which will be no more).. I slot TC exclusively because of magsorcs... why? Because every other viable spec in the game has 80% of it's damage only in melee and you can always mitigate their damage by movement and in the same time when you are doing damage against melee specs, you don't need gap closer at all, major expedition is enough. I am not saying TC is bad ability, quite the opposite, it is one of the very few gap closers worth slotting at all... but slotting gap closer is already a sacrifice.
Sorc doesn't make this sacrifice because streak is not only gap closer but also gap creator and unblockable stun. What OP says that combination of dark deal and streak allows magsorcs to have too much advantage over meta builds, if those meta builds won't adapt to fight the only ranged spec in the game... obviously main "issue" with streak is that it is unblockable.. how to fix this... imo best solution is notably decreasing cost of break free (which will helps sorcs themselves as well, when they fight against DK/NB).
P.S. about personal attack - if you check how many times that guy asked to nerf jabs (without arguments) in few days, you'll agree that he/she throws a shadow on magsorc class reputation... because vast majority of magsorcs I know are reasonable persons and so I surprised to see such behavior. Not that it matters much, but just my 2 cents too, because I am mostly for "fair play".
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
I GCD for streak, 1GCD for break free, 1 GCD for shield, 2GCDs for dark deal/conversion, 1 GCD for streak etc. With potion and other things
Streak spamming doesn't make your enemy die. Its escape tool which works as it should and as was designed. Stun should be removed but then this skill is ok. As is Dark deal /conversion (it isnt like there is free purge on it as is on netch)
Edit: 7s is enought time to burst someone down. Just saying
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
As a former petsorc, Stamina Templar has been the greatest threat since an eternity. They countered my entire setup and could always outsustain me with their immortality thanks to purge and damage. I always run away when I see one.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
As a former petsorc, Stamina Templar has been the greatest threat since an eternity. They countered my entire setup and could always outsustain me with their immortality thanks to purge and damage. I always run away when I see one.
And I as stamDK/stamplar have another experience - I have easy time on stamDK against sorcs and in majority of cases kill them by counter-attack during their burst when shields are down - this is without wings... with wings magsorc pressure is simply non-existent to stamDK... and on stamplar I don't have problems with any spec other then magsorc and was forced to build specifically to fight magsorcs, or more correctly to fight with streak spam. BUT in the same time I destroy stamDK on stamplar and die to stamplars on stamDK (if major evasion is not used in both cases)... So for me it seems like templar, sorc and DK exist like rock-paper-scissors to each other. This is because DK have poor mobility and is all melee and so is forced to eat jabs, while sorc is very mobile and it is hard to land jabs against one... in the same time DK has leap and fossilize and wings (in the past) and all this abilities are extremely efficient against ranged projectile builds and also fossilize applies huge stamina drain on magsorc.
So I still don't understand how old DK which was reflecting your flame reaches back into you, was more desirable opponent then stamplar... which only had cheap purge and when off-balance was much weaker..