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Streak and convert spamming is a huge issue plaguing this game
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✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.2 -
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✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Old DK wings were reflecting every ranged projectile. Forum were complaining about reflect not negate1 -
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✭Joinovikova wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »
I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now, they should give to it only 50% damage reduction but make it free from cost increase..
You know, that actually sounds Op0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭
Sheild stack is not posible for long time on non CP due to high cost of sheilds ..MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
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Joinovikova✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magickaEdited by Anyron on February 26, 2020 11:52AM3 -
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✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Old DK wings were reflecting every ranged projectile. Forum were complaining about reflect not negate
It was DK ability to shut down projectile builds. Damage was a cherry on top. Watch old duels between projectile builds and DKs, it always came down to if the former could kill the DK in the second wings dropped.0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
Old DK wings were reflecting every ranged projectile. Forum were complaining about reflect not negate
It was DK ability to shut down projectile builds. Damage was a cherry on top. Watch old duels between projectile builds and DKs, it always came down to if the former could kill the DK in the second wings dropped.
i was ok with wings negating incoming projectiles. old wings was OP and why it deserved nerf was that reflecting part only.
most of my skills is dodged in pvp so i have no issue if there are some negated too. but to deal with DK himself with his damage and also be able to tank MY OWN damage, that was too much
they could even make it working from some range. that would be ok too. but as i recall, most of ranged builds wanted to nerf it because of that reflectEdited by Anyron on February 26, 2020 12:47PM0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.1 -
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.6 -
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
Yeah.. from what you wrote i can say is that gap closer is most expensive skill in game? Try to use roll dodge 3X and tell me how your resource looks like
I played stamina a lot and yes I can tell you, with gap closer you can really easily kill any streaking sorc, problem is that nobody is using it because its " waste of skill "
For NB you need to slot detection potion to kill them, so slot gap closer for sorcerers too1 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
Streak cooldown is 4 seconds. CC-immunity cooldown is 7 seconds. I absolutely don't see why you should streak several times "to keep distance" one streak+stun+ movement already puts you far enough to require gap closer use from your melee opponent. Well, bow backbar builds have natural high speed from roll-dodges so they don't require gap closer spam as full melee but they will still receive ton of damage while closing in on magsorc.
Anyway, I found combo which allows me to keep magsorcs in check on stamplar... but that combo requires sacrifices and is overkill in terms of protection/sustain against other classes. With build where I don't feel like I'm outclassed by magsorc's build, I am immortal against all other specs maybe with exception of some good stamcros...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..1 -
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Mag sorc has basicaly not problem with Templars is one of the classes who can actualy fight with them and sometimes also wins. What is not fair Nb vs templar DK vs templar.... especíaly mag DK vs stamplar its not fair fight..MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..0 -
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✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
Templars can easily purge Curse off. They also deal consistent pressure with Jabs and Burning Light, which is the weak point of shields. Toppling is also very good and you're downplaying how easy it is to catch sorcs with it. But even if you don't want Toppling - you can't streak away in a keep or uneven terrain or on a flag or in a group. And even if you can streak away in open solo Cyro - who says the Templar is chasing you? He can just turn the other way and it's a draw. And that is what makes sorcs look strong in the untrained eye - you can achieve a draw fairly easily, but a win where it matters means giving up the biggest trump card sorcs have.3 -
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✭Its interesting reading all this back and forth. I started playing magsorc a month ago and i can see so far it isn't some skill less class to play, but as i get better i can see how it can start to be really dangerous on the battlefield too. I still have issues against really tanky opponents.
Half of you come across as if the class is OP and the other does not. suffice to say, the real answer must lie in the middle. Why don't y'all find where thats at and discuss from there?Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!1 -
thadjarvis✭✭✭✭Good point @deepseamk20b14_ESO
Also narrow down what is specifically being talked about from OP (not sure if intended one morph or what so assumed all):- 100% cost increase of Bolt Escape every time it is cast out of cooldown
- Bolt Escape base cost increased by 1k
- Dark Exchange remove the channel from this ability
- Dark Exchange remove instant resource return giving the full resources at the end or throughout the time of the buff
Ok let's suppose all agree that magsorc needs all of this for balance (I don't have a strong opinion bc I don't play one and understand the impact):- Is PvP stamsorc even considered in this? Are they a top tier class in which it could make sense to nerf?
- The instant return and cast time combo is pretty much the entire risk/reward aspect of PvE sorc tanking. Turn it into another boring Netch/Leeching/Focus skill and/or eliminate Sorc tank infinite sustain? Kinda destroys the small identity it has.
- Will the heal still be instant? Dark Exchange is used by PvE mag and stam alike as a burst heal. Eg what will a Magsorc use in CR portals to carry orbs; since matriarch damage nerf they can't use that. (It’s one of the most popular vCR classes). Outside of DD, it’s part of tank’s healing kit too.
IE please consider thinking beyond PvP magsorc especially when proposing changes to healing and sustain class functions. @Fawn4287 curious for your thoughts on general sorc impact and the morph specifics of your ideas.Edited by thadjarvis on February 26, 2020 5:50PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 26, 2020 6:42PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
Of course everyone's experience may wary and there many ways to cancel magsorc's burst, for example Mist available to everyone does that just fine, i.e. see meteor -> mist -> burst is totally cancelled. So it will be question of lag, player reaction, current bar - etc - if streak stun will happen earlier then mist. Stamplar's Ritual is twice more expensive then curse... yeah, it will cleanse other effects too, but given that you also need to spam toppling charge (TC) there is zero chance to have enough magicka on stamplar to purge each curse. And here one of the most important points, is that if you play solo and if you want to kill people, Turn Evil with all it's downsides is still the best way because it almost guarantees onslaught hit.
Toppling charge doesn't guarantee anything... Majority of players blocks/dodges TC 80% of the time and off-balance was it's most valuable part (Which will be no more).. I slot TC exclusively because of magsorcs... why? Because every other viable spec in the game has 80% of it's damage only in melee and you can always mitigate their damage by movement and in the same time when you are doing damage against melee specs, you don't need gap closer at all, major expedition is enough. I am not saying TC is bad ability, quite the opposite, it is one of the very few gap closers worth slotting at all... but slotting gap closer is already a sacrifice.
Sorc doesn't make this sacrifice because streak is not only gap closer but also gap creator and unblockable stun. What OP says that combination of dark deal and streak allows magsorcs to have too much advantage over meta builds, if those meta builds won't adapt to fight the only ranged spec in the game... obviously main "issue" with streak is that it is unblockable.. how to fix this... imo best solution is notably decreasing cost of break free (which will helps sorcs themselves as well, when they fight against DK/NB).
P.S. about personal attack - if you check how many times that guy asked to nerf jabs (without arguments) in few days, you'll agree that he/she throws a shadow on magsorc class reputation... because vast majority of magsorcs I know are reasonable persons and so I surprised to see such behavior. Not that it matters much, but just my 2 cents too, because I am mostly for "fair play".0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
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In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
Of course everyone's experience may wary and there many ways to cancel magsorc's burst, for example Mist available to everyone does that just fine, i.e. see meteor -> mist -> burst is totally cancelled. So it will be question of lag, player reaction, current bar - etc - if streak stun will happen earlier then mist. Stamplar's Ritual is twice more expensive then curse... yeah, it will cleanse other effects too, but given that you also need to spam toppling charge (TC) there is zero chance to have enough magicka on stamplar to purge each curse. And here one of the most important points, is that if you play solo and if you want to kill people, Turn Evil with all it's downsides is still the best way because it almost guarantees onslaught hit.
Toppling charge doesn't guarantee anything... Majority of players blocks/dodges TC 80% of the time and off-balance was it's most valuable part (Which will be no more).. I slot TC exclusively because of magsorcs... why? Because every other viable spec in the game has 80% of it's damage only in melee and you can always mitigate their damage by movement and in the same time when you are doing damage against melee specs, you don't need gap closer at all, major expedition is enough. I am not saying TC is bad ability, quite the opposite, it is one of the very few gap closers worth slotting at all... but slotting gap closer is already a sacrifice.
Sorc doesn't make this sacrifice because streak is not only gap closer but also gap creator and unblockable stun. What OP says that combination of dark deal and streak allows magsorcs to have too much advantage over meta builds, if those meta builds won't adapt to fight the only ranged spec in the game... obviously main "issue" with streak is that it is unblockable.. how to fix this... imo best solution is notably decreasing cost of break free (which will helps sorcs themselves as well, when they fight against DK/NB).
P.S. about personal attack - if you check how many times that guy asked to nerf jabs (without arguments) in few days, you'll agree that he/she throws a shadow on magsorc class reputation... because vast majority of magsorcs I know are reasonable persons and so I surprised to see such behavior. Not that it matters much, but just my 2 cents too, because I am mostly for "fair play".
TC is source of stun too, isn't it?
I have no issue with that skill myself btw
As i said i agree stun from streak should be removed because right now it is simply annoying thing ( even more when you have dedicated "streaker" in enemy bg team) and sorcerer can use rune prison for stun.
But rune prison as skill itself is really lame. It has visual clue when it hits and for stun only (there isnt really any other effect on it [if you let it deal damage to you, you should quit game. ] Its expensive - 3500 magicka and dodgeable which doesnt make sense since it isnt projectile. But It should be blockable.
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
I GCD for streak, 1GCD for break free, 1 GCD for shield, 2GCDs for dark deal/conversion, 1 GCD for streak etc. With potion and other things
Streak spamming doesn't make your enemy die. Its escape tool which works as it should and as was designed. Stun should be removed but then this skill is ok. As is Dark deal /conversion (it isnt like there is free purge on it as is on netch)
Edit: 7s is enought time to burst someone down. Just saying
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
I GCD for streak, 1GCD for break free, 1 GCD for shield, 2GCDs for dark deal/conversion, 1 GCD for streak etc. With potion and other things
Streak spamming doesn't make your enemy die. Its escape tool which works as it should and as was designed. Stun should be removed but then this skill is ok. As is Dark deal /conversion (it isnt like there is free purge on it as is on netch)
Edit: 7s is enought time to burst someone down. Just saying
It is enough if buddy doesn't keeps shields/heals up or some unbreakable stun/de-sync happens. If this is 2 meta builds, 2 more or less experienced players and game won't glitch, 95% of 1v1 turns into long "duel" where sustain (and/or player's mistakes) determines the victor. Of course after ZOS over buffed healing, defensive rotation is more effective from sustain side then offensive. This means that counter attacks are best way to go and majority of builds work like "tank&spank". Streak+dark deal punishes that meta style because with this combination sorc both applies resource drain and in the same time receives time window to cast deal without interruption. Now - surprise - I don't think that sorc's ability to counter boring tank meta is bad so I am against streak nerf. But - sustain pressure applied by unblockable stuns (all of them, i.e. streak, fossilize and fear) is exploited by even more boring of builds - those which don't have high burst and simply keep spamming cc waiting to drain enemy stamina... thus, reducing cost of break free one way or another looks like optimal solution to unblockable cc's without nerfing their burst potential.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
As a former petsorc, Stamina Templar has been the greatest threat since an eternity. They countered my entire setup and could always outsustain me with their immortality thanks to purge and damage. I always run away when I see one.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
IF
In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
As a former petsorc, Stamina Templar has been the greatest threat since an eternity. They countered my entire setup and could always outsustain me with their immortality thanks to purge and damage. I always run away when I see one.
And I as stamDK/stamplar have another experience - I have easy time on stamDK against sorcs and in majority of cases kill them by counter-attack during their burst when shields are down - this is without wings... with wings magsorc pressure is simply non-existent to stamDK... and on stamplar I don't have problems with any spec other then magsorc and was forced to build specifically to fight magsorcs, or more correctly to fight with streak spam. BUT in the same time I destroy stamDK on stamplar and die to stamplars on stamDK (if major evasion is not used in both cases)... So for me it seems like templar, sorc and DK exist like rock-paper-scissors to each other. This is because DK have poor mobility and is all melee and so is forced to eat jabs, while sorc is very mobile and it is hard to land jabs against one... in the same time DK has leap and fossilize and wings (in the past) and all this abilities are extremely efficient against ranged projectile builds and also fossilize applies huge stamina drain on magsorc.
So I still don't understand how old DK which was reflecting your flame reaches back into you, was more desirable opponent then stamplar... which only had cheap purge and when off-balance was much weaker..0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Yes, magsorc is not OP. It is top-tier class sharing this position with magplar, stamplar, stamden and stamcro. Thus, there is no necessity to nerf streak or sorc. There is necessity to buff/tweak other 7 specs.
Sorc is slightly below top tier. It appears stronger since it's easier to avoid confrontation with top tiers, but a magsorc committing to a fight with stamplar and even stamcro/stamDK will lose if both players are about same skill. Magsorc can't deliver enough constant pressure to crack the current meta tank builds to be top tier.
If magsorc keeps shields up he can tank through onslaught combo. So any fight turns into attrition duel and streak makes this attrition duel pretty hard for classes which lack ranged pressure or unblockable stuns, i.e. first of all stamplar. I play stamDK and stamplar, on stamDK I'm fine with magsorcs because I keep fossilizing/dizzying them and they can't apply their pressure non-stop.. on stamplar I was forced to sacrifice build which I liked and slot damned S&B backbar just to be able to fight with magsorcs on even terms.
As I said many times, I don't think that nerf of streak or nerf of jabs or nerf of any other "overloaded" ability will do any good. Moving unchained perk to no-CP (i.e. making it default one for any player from level 1), could've solved many issues... or just making break free much cheaper in all modes... but I guess devs are happy that ton of players run with moderate damage, insufficient for timed burst and rely on cc spam to get kills.
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In noCp common shield strengh is about 8.5k ( 40k max magicka (shields doesnt scale from spell dmg))
Im quite sure you arent even able to shield onslaught itself with 8k shield not onslaught combo.. Try to use it before writing this nonsense..
And Shieldstacking is no-go for noCp sorc.. 8k magicka wasted in ( if good) 6 seconds.. With only Shieldstacking normal sorc is out of resources in half minute, not counting offensive skill cost to enemy
Keep in mind you need to have some stamina recovery for cc break / dodge so you cannot go just for magicka
I don't get it. Typical health will be ~22k + shield 8k = 30k. What build is capable of dealing 30k damage in 2-3 GCD in no-CP against PVP build? This might happen only if majority of abilities will crit. So this is some borderline scenario when cc-pot is active (otherwise your burst is instantly cancelled by streak), AND majority of abilities will crit AND med-heavy attack stun is not blocked AND break-free didn't happen instantly so onslaught is not dodged AND sorc won't be able to block-tap matriarch heal before last execute(s) landed. That' what need to happen to kill sorc who keeps 1 shield up and is not depleted of magicka/stamina before onslaught.
Oh, shields are expensive. But using 3k+ cost gap closer to keep pressure on magsorc after each streak is not expensive? 5400 stamina drain after each unblockable streak is not expensive? Fact is that in no-CP melee build need to spend 8-9k resources to counter effects of 3-3.5k cost ability is not expensive?
Best thing magsorcs can say about fighting full melee builds in open is to say that full melee builds are powerful in towers/keeps and so magsorc naturally counters them in open and best solution against streak is not to fight magsorcs in open. Of course magsorcs who don't keep shield up die often to stamina combos... but that is class rule - shield MUST be UP. Same as vigor should be up for any stamina build.
I can assure you, if you keep using streak constantly to keep ur distance while also keeping ur shields up and while also trying to deal dmg it's gonna drain a lot more than 3.5k magicka.
She/He never play magsorc so she/he should try and then not share such bulshit.
You know.. magsorcs like you are shame on class reputation... I fought many tough solo magsorcs and talked with them afterwards and they all agree that streak is much better then BoL and that ability would be OP if there were no other powerful abilities in the game (like onslaught, ritual, shalks, new blastbones etc).
All the magsorc drama is L2P issue now... class was easy before, now it requires considerable skill to play to the fullest. Thus, persons who don't want to learn just keep spamming "Neeerf jabs!", though I have no idea how you can have problems on magsorc against stamplar given that stamplar has least counters to magsorc. If you complained about stamDK or stamdens against magsorc, I can agree that those classes have direct counters... but stamplar... lol. Just keep streaking each 7-8 seconds, block TC, cast shields when stamplar is near, use dark deal after break free, keep curse up and keep spamming light attack weaved with eleweapon or force pulse and stamplars will have heavy time killing you..
I actually disagree with this. When on my sorc, a good Templar (especially a good stamplar) is perhaps my toughest counter. They can easily purge the heart of our burst combo (curse), they have a gap closer to keep streak in check, and they have some of the best consistent pressure with jabs (which is the best way to deal with shields). There might be other classes like a really tanky DK that I will have a tougher time killing solo, but I am far less worried about dying in the process.
Also, personal attacks really arent necessary, but that is just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. Templar has been a counter to Sorcerer since forever. They always love to make themselves look small and in need of help, but do not allow them to fool you. Templar is superbly formiddable at surviving and killing Sorcerers.
If I had to 1v1 a stamina spec and my life depended on it, I would rather go against everything other than a Templar.
Nobody considered stamplar dangerous before U23-24 at all... it was off-meta spec for enthusiasts... so how it could've been "Sorcerer counter since forever" I don't know.
Now stamplar simply have probably highest damage potential... so when jabs hit and when BL/POTL crit you can see some wild recaps... but if you keep streaking, jabs will barely scratch you. Let's say you streak each 7 seconds. How much time this leaves to stamplar to jab you... 1 GCD for break-free. ~1.5 GCD for TC. 1 GCD for vigor. 1 GCD to renew ritual or rune or rally... 1 GCD for POTL. So you can be jabbed 2 times max before you can just streak through those jabs again... of course in reality you won't streak on cooldown... but in reality stamplar will spent some time dodging/moving as well.
As a former petsorc, Stamina Templar has been the greatest threat since an eternity. They countered my entire setup and could always outsustain me with their immortality thanks to purge and damage. I always run away when I see one.
And I as stamDK/stamplar have another experience - I have easy time on stamDK against sorcs and in majority of cases kill them by counter-attack during their burst when shields are down - this is without wings... with wings magsorc pressure is simply non-existent to stamDK... and on stamplar I don't have problems with any spec other then magsorc and was forced to build specifically to fight magsorcs, or more correctly to fight with streak spam. BUT in the same time I destroy stamDK on stamplar and die to stamplars on stamDK (if major evasion is not used in both cases)... So for me it seems like templar, sorc and DK exist like rock-paper-scissors to each other. This is because DK have poor mobility and is all melee and so is forced to eat jabs, while sorc is very mobile and it is hard to land jabs against one... in the same time DK has leap and fossilize and wings (in the past) and all this abilities are extremely efficient against ranged projectile builds and also fossilize applies huge stamina drain on magsorc.
So I still don't understand how old DK which was reflecting your flame reaches back into you, was more desirable opponent then stamplar... which only had cheap purge and when off-balance was much weaker..
Dk was very easy to deal with. Pets ignore their wings, I had wall of elements and lots of off balance heavy attacks. DKs are only strong for 1 single reason: The most broken passive in the game; Undeath. Vampire DKs are being carried by it to Oblivion and back. They and everyone else would be pathetic filth without it.
But Templar... no chance. They purge curse and that is the end of the story. Daedric prey is particularly easy to purge. But well, it is trash now, as are pets. So I just play pve.
EDIT: I am talking about the past, mind you. Now where I am no longer using pets and wings last forever, there is not too much to be done. Harness magicka was the only reason a Sorcerer could outlast a magicka DKs constant pressure.Edited by Dracane on February 29, 2020 3:09PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.0