oxygen_thief wrote: »
Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
oxygen_thief wrote: »
oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »I agree Ball of Lightning is OP now
it doesnt explain anything
It neuters magicka projectile builds, much like old wings. You don't hear the forum complaining all day because it doesn't concern melee stamina builds, which are 80% of Cyrodiil.
i know how it works ive used it before. it doesnt make sorc invulnerable and bol spam must be paired with shield if one doesnt want to eat an ult in stun while undefended. that combination is hard to sustain in nocp at least and as you have mentioned it useless against 80% of pvp player base. yes it may be helpful against remaining 20% in case of 1vs1 combat which is a rare thing by itself in this game. birds healing is a little bit cheaper than bol so in 1vs1 its maybe better to face damage with shields and heal what comes through or dodge/block. from my personal experience bol was really good as an escape tool from an angry zerg and as a stun against melee players which are 80% of player base as you know. so in my point of view bol was nerfed and i dont see how is it over performing now. lets better discuss a shimmering shield
you can prevent combos by dodging / blocking/ los and it doesnt require a slot. im not sure about meteor but you dont need to absorb it if you dodge to prevent a stun then block it. i like to dodge as you can see i agree that bol has its benefits in certain situations but i think for a well rounded build streak is much better for nowWith BoL, you don't have to survive a combo, you can prevent parts of it. All that Matriarch healing is useless if you already died to a burst combo. With BoL lingering, you just need to cast it now and then and it'll absorb enough damage to let you live. And absorbing a Meteor is just lol.
Joinovikova wrote: »
All the other unblockable stuns are melee range and or single target. Not a huge aoe range gap closer/escape tool that can stun entire groups while doing damage. Not even close to balanced.
They also don't ramp up their costs, fail on uneven terrain and force a 180 upon you which is impossible on console.
If we're balancing, then put those on the other CCs. You'll quit in a day.
Joinovikova wrote: »
All the other unblockable stuns are melee range and or single target. Not a huge aoe range gap closer/escape tool that can stun entire groups while doing damage. Not even close to balanced.
They also don't ramp up their costs, fail on uneven terrain and force a 180 upon you which is impossible on console.
If we're balancing, then put those on the other CCs. You'll quit in a day.
I would gladly take streak for turn evil/fear for all the utility and the cc it provides.
oxygen_thief wrote: »you can prevent combos by dodging / blocking/ los and it doesnt require a slot. im not sure about meteor but you dont need to absorb it if you dodge to prevent a stun then block it. i like to dodge as you can see i agree that bol has its benefits in certain situations but i think for a well rounded build streak is much better for nowWith BoL, you don't have to survive a combo, you can prevent parts of it. All that Matriarch healing is useless if you already died to a burst combo. With BoL lingering, you just need to cast it now and then and it'll absorb enough damage to let you live. And absorbing a Meteor is just lol.
oxygen_thief wrote: »you can prevent combos by dodging / blocking/ los and it doesnt require a slot. im not sure about meteor but you dont need to absorb it if you dodge to prevent a stun then block it. i like to dodge as you can see i agree that bol has its benefits in certain situations but i think for a well rounded build streak is much better for nowWith BoL, you don't have to survive a combo, you can prevent parts of it. All that Matriarch healing is useless if you already died to a burst combo. With BoL lingering, you just need to cast it now and then and it'll absorb enough damage to let you live. And absorbing a Meteor is just lol.
Those things stamina and reactive (except for LoS, which is something else entirely). BoL can be applied at will and does its job. And you can use it more often. It can really make you quasi unkillable against mag projectiles.
oxygen_thief wrote: »you can prevent combos by dodging / blocking/ los and it doesnt require a slot. im not sure about meteor but you dont need to absorb it if you dodge to prevent a stun then block it. i like to dodge as you can see i agree that bol has its benefits in certain situations but i think for a well rounded build streak is much better for nowWith BoL, you don't have to survive a combo, you can prevent parts of it. All that Matriarch healing is useless if you already died to a burst combo. With BoL lingering, you just need to cast it now and then and it'll absorb enough damage to let you live. And absorbing a Meteor is just lol.
Those things stamina and reactive (except for LoS, which is something else entirely). BoL can be applied at will and does its job. And you can use it more often. It can really make you quasi unkillable against mag projectiles.
You forgot to burst his bubble that neither Meteor's stun nor damage is dodgeable.
WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Streak has a 33% per cast penalty, not 50%
Wow ridiculous, no wonder I see people spam it 4 times in a row like its nothing
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
You do give up a slot either for damage or a stun, so it has a trade off.
I agree it is hard to die on a mag sorc if you have 2x shields at 10k each (in cyro) together with pirate skeleton and BoL. You have to let people kill you to die really.
But you sacrify a stun or an offensive ability. Todays meta/pvp environment kinda forces a magsorc to have:
Crystal shards + curse + ele wep + endless fury + meteor/overload to have enough burst to drop someone DURING a stun moment.
Meteor is 99% useless unless you stun the moment it connects, since everyone blocks it and takes 0 dmg. I am not exagerating when I say meteor is useless unless it is on a stunned target that has no time to both break and block.
So ye there is that. I like BoL more then streak but without streak I can't kill people. If I slot flame clench to knock people about they insta break free from it (not the same knockback like old dizzy or leap for some reason) and I notice I lack damage to finish people that I do get down to 15-25%.
Templars, DKs, Necros all have enough heals to go from 1% to 100% in like 2 GCD. And NBs just stealth away as soon as you touch them without a stun on them.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
You do give up a slot either for damage or a stun, so it has a trade off.
I agree it is hard to die on a mag sorc if you have 2x shields at 10k each (in cyro) together with pirate skeleton and BoL. You have to let people kill you to die really.
But you sacrify a stun or an offensive ability. Todays meta/pvp environment kinda forces a magsorc to have:
Crystal shards + curse + ele wep + endless fury + meteor/overload to have enough burst to drop someone DURING a stun moment.
Meteor is 99% useless unless you stun the moment it connects, since everyone blocks it and takes 0 dmg. I am not exagerating when I say meteor is useless unless it is on a stunned target that has no time to both break and block.
So ye there is that. I like BoL more then streak but without streak I can't kill people. If I slot flame clench to knock people about they insta break free from it (not the same knockback like old dizzy or leap for some reason) and I notice I lack damage to finish people that I do get down to 15-25%.
Templars, DKs, Necros all have enough heals to go from 1% to 100% in like 2 GCD. And NBs just stealth away as soon as you touch them without a stun on them.
Sorcs have two of the strongest burst heals in the game:
1. Matriarch heal for pet sorcs is the strongest burst heal in the game. If you’re playing a max mag build it’s a higher tooltip then breath of life... by a lot. The issue is it’s expensive and requires a pet, the only heal that can be larger is rally at max time, including ults.
2. Dark conversion is a strong burst heal, but it can’t be block cast
I’m not saying sorcs are OP, I think they’re fine, but some classes don’t even get burst heals. Saying sorcs are weak is ridiculous.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.
JanTanhide wrote: »Stop it with all the crys for nerfs. Geezus you guys never stop.
oxygen_thief wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »Stop it with all the crys for nerfs. Geezus you guys never stop.
they will stop when sorcs will left with light attacks only
Joinovikova wrote: »Also no one who play other class will Say mág sorc is op om current patchStreak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.Streak is the last good ability Sorcerer has left. Everything else was overnerfed.
And in pvp, Streak is not even the issue. Most Sorcerers use Ball of Lightning, which is truly overperforming.
Purges you of roots and slows and grants you immortality against all ranged magicka builds by absorbing projectiles.
Be glad of those few using streak still. At least you can kill those.
Also; if Zenimax wants to force Sorcerers into melee range with this, then that is absolutely fine. Sorcerer is not suited to be in melee range, yet that is where Streak is usable offensively. So it is good they have something for this situation.
And oh gods! It is but a stun. Break free from it and be done with it. The Sorcerer needs a moment to turn around after streaking through you to follow up with crystal shard or something else. By that time any decent play has already broken free. And curse and meteor alone have never killed anyone on their own.
Posts like this... wow. You should really try playing other classes sometime. Almost all sorc skills are better than other class skills across the board.
Being ‘unkillable’ is only the baseline for being a good ability in sorc’s minds.
Play a templar and no Sorcerer can harm you. Play a Dragonknight and no Sorcerer can harm you.
Other classes excel at countering the entire Sorcerer strategy. Purge, Scales etc.
You are delusional if you think that Sorcerer is above other classes. It was at one point and that was 3 years ago.
Do yourself a favour and switch classes. If you actually think that you aren’t playing a sorc well, and playing other classes will make you a better player.
Sorc’s main issue is it’s filled with players who’ve only played a sorc and have no perspective. No one in their right mind who’s played multiple classes thinks sorcs are weak.