Premade groups are ruining battlegrounds...

  • Iskiab
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    I usually play on off-peak hours. When I do play during peak hours I’ll get team mates who’re pure BGers.

    I’m at 1k BGs played+.

    Being a healer, granted that helps.

    On April 12, you posted this:
    Iskiab wrote: »
    BRODY wrote: »
    How i can know my MMR?

    You can’t know, most people are guessing I think.

    I was trying to figure mine out but it’s hard. I’ve been playing 9 months now and have done the daily almost every day, sometimes that’s it and other days I’ll spam BGs. I have no idea how many games I’ve played, maybe 400-1k?

    My wait times are less than 5 minutes. I think most of the MMR complaints are actually about premade queue times but it’s hard to tell. I queue at different times of the day and the wait isn’t too long, apparently when the hidden MMR value gets too high it limits your matches to other players in high MMR so the wait times are long.

    In three months, you’ve gone from not being at all certain if you’ve played 400 or 1000 matches (and that’s quite the wide possible range), to stating definitively now that you’ve played 1k+ matches. Which is it?

    Well there is no way to track how many games you’ve played. 3 games a day for a year is still a conservative guess. I am PvP rank 38 after all.

    Some days I’ll do just the daily, there have been days where I’ll do them all day. If there’s a definitive way to tell let me know.
    Edited by Iskiab on July 25, 2019 9:19PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    Condemned and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • MaxJrFTW
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    Yes
    Iskiab wrote: »
    Aurielle wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    I usually play on off-peak hours. When I do play during peak hours I’ll get team mates who’re pure BGers.

    I’m at 1k BGs played+.

    Being a healer, granted that helps.

    On April 12, you posted this:
    Iskiab wrote: »
    BRODY wrote: »
    How i can know my MMR?

    You can’t know, most people are guessing I think.

    I was trying to figure mine out but it’s hard. I’ve been playing 9 months now and have done the daily almost every day, sometimes that’s it and other days I’ll spam BGs. I have no idea how many games I’ve played, maybe 400-1k?

    My wait times are less than 5 minutes. I think most of the MMR complaints are actually about premade queue times but it’s hard to tell. I queue at different times of the day and the wait isn’t too long, apparently when the hidden MMR value gets too high it limits your matches to other players in high MMR so the wait times are long.

    In three months, you’ve gone from not being at all certain if you’ve played 400 or 1000 matches (and that’s quite the wide possible range), to stating definitively now that you’ve played 1k+ matches. Which is it?

    Well there is no way to track how many games you’ve played. 3 games a day for a year is still a conservative guess. I am PvP rank 38 after all.

    Some days I’ll do just the daily, there have been days where I’ll do them all day. If there’s a definitive way to tell let me know.

    So how do you know your win rate is over 50%?

    This addon tracks everything btw, if you pvp you should be using it

    https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1760-PvpMeter.html
    "I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
    ―Ulrich Leland, 3E 433
  • Iskiab
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    Well like I said, there are good solo queuers and there are poor ones.

    I was doing BGs yesterday and had 6 wins, 13 games. A lot is luck of the draw. There are good solo queuers like I saw Mursie and Mystikkal a lot but sometimes you get weak team mates. A ‘weak’ team mate are usually NBs or Sorcs who’re in glass canon specs who’s goal is to not die and not win the game.

    As a solo queuer I had one game yesterday where the opposing teams stopped playing and stayed in their spawns when we had a 300-0-0 lead. Then people just goofed around until the timer ran out.

    That isn’t a ‘premade’ vs ‘solo’ queuer issue. Those are people who are 1100+ CP but have not learned to pvp yet, likely because they personally lack a teamwork perspective because of their mentality... I think anyone who ends a BG with 0 healing is a carry. Two solid players wins a match easily in beginner BGs, in higher MMR it takes 3.

    Getting rid of premade queues will just disperse this crowd evenly amongst the teams, but teams will be just as weak whenever they’re on that team.

    I’ll download that addon. I’ve been lazy about it and especially like keeping my addons down in cyrodiil because of lag. Guess I need it to prove this point.
    Edited by Iskiab on July 26, 2019 2:27PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    Condemned and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • Madhatten512
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    There are not enough players to do what you're asking. If there were tiers of fighters it would be nice to maybe have different tiers of player but I believe you're asking too much. Some days I go out by myself and some days I go with a team.

    if they split the queue there would be more people that want to group up and fight other groups people that actually enjoy competition and challenging themselves don't want to waste there time building group comp and set synergy to go pug stomp only people that need an ego stroke... You split the queue give solo queue players a chance to compete against other solo queues and you give people that actually want to compete and not just pug stomp a place to do that as well... The others have had a couple years of ego stroking so if they don't like actually having to compete against other groups tough...
  • Aurielle
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    That isn’t a ‘premade’ vs ‘solo’ queuer issue. Those are people who are 1100+ CP but have not learned to pvp yet, likely because they personally lack a teamwork perspective because of their mentality... I think anyone who ends a BG with 0 healing is a carry. Two solid players wins a match easily in beginner BGs, in higher MMR it takes 3.

    Fundamentally, it is a premade vs solo issue. When you solo queue at prime time, the caliber of player you encounter is much more consistent. Matches tend to be close, drawn out affairs, with everyone giving it his or her all. When everyone is solo queued, the result tends to be a fun, intense match. Here’s an example of a typical score differential with solo queued players at NA prime time:

    YAX9XK9.jpg

    Had we all been in premades, the score would have been even closer, with hardly any deaths and (unfortunately) hardly any kills. If one of the three teams had been a premade, though, the balance would have tipped heavily in the premade’s favour.

    During off-peak hours (when people at various MMRs come into contact with one another, due to the game having to pull from a much smaller population to fill the teams up), things are a lot different. There’s much greater variation in skill and experience, and it’s typically easier to hit high personal scores if you’re used to playing in tough prime time matches. Some typical examples of off-peak score differentials and K/D ratios:

    f4R9zg0.jpg

    JOW0hzB.jpg

    41hXLru.jpg

    1s7Dtwn.jpg

    It’s also quite possible to beat the casual premades who play for fun during off-peak hours, or to troll them with kill-stealing:

    qFRMfZ7.jpg

    If you mostly play during off-peak hours, then yeah, I can see how you think that it’s not a solo vs premade issue. A lot of the most cancerous premades aren’t playing during off-peak hours, except for those that enjoy no-lifing BGs all day solely to pugstomp. I moreso play during off-peak hours these days, because I’d rather pickle my eyeballs than play against prime time premades. If I could play more at prime time and know that I wouldn’t be going up against premades, however, I would, because I personally find solo queued matches at prime time more challenging and satisfying.
  • Anethum
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    About month ago at ESO live, if I remember right, Brian Wheeler and Gina were there, it was said that they going to completely rework lfg. From the beginning. New group finder blabla.
    I hope, they included premade vs random problem into this new group finder. If not, well, I have no in-game reasons to return to the game 4th patch in a raw.
    Cyrodiil is laggy, duels are not rewardable, bgs are unfair...eso pvp in 11 words.
    @Anethum from .ua
  • Fake Remedy
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    No
    I think you will find it is Zo$ that is ruining Battlegrounds.
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  • Bhelen
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    Yes but the MMR system is to blame for it. It needs to be completely reworked.
  • BNOC
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    That isn’t a ‘premade’ vs ‘solo’ queuer issue. Those are people who are 1100+ CP but have not learned to pvp yet, likely because they personally lack a teamwork perspective because of their mentality... I think anyone who ends a BG with 0 healing is a carry. Two solid players wins a match easily in beginner BGs, in higher MMR it takes 3.

    Fundamentally, it is a premade vs solo issue. When you solo queue at prime time, the caliber of player you encounter is much more consistent. Matches tend to be close, drawn out affairs, with everyone giving it his or her all. When everyone is solo queued, the result tends to be a fun, intense match. Here’s an example of a typical score differential with solo queued players at NA prime time:

    YAX9XK9.jpg

    Had we all been in premades, the score would have been even closer, with hardly any deaths and (unfortunately) hardly any kills. If one of the three teams had been a premade, though, the balance would have tipped heavily in the premade’s favour.

    During off-peak hours (when people at various MMRs come into contact with one another, due to the game having to pull from a much smaller population to fill the teams up), things are a lot different. There’s much greater variation in skill and experience, and it’s typically easier to hit high personal scores if you’re used to playing in tough prime time matches. Some typical examples of off-peak score differentials and K/D ratios:

    f4R9zg0.jpg

    JOW0hzB.jpg

    41hXLru.jpg

    1s7Dtwn.jpg

    It’s also quite possible to beat the casual premades who play for fun during off-peak hours, or to troll them with kill-stealing:

    qFRMfZ7.jpg

    If you mostly play during off-peak hours, then yeah, I can see how you think that it’s not a solo vs premade issue. A lot of the most cancerous premades aren’t playing during off-peak hours, except for those that enjoy no-lifing BGs all day solely to pugstomp. I moreso play during off-peak hours these days, because I’d rather pickle my eyeballs than play against prime time premades. If I could play more at prime time and know that I wouldn’t be going up against premades, however, I would, because I personally find solo queued matches at prime time more challenging and satisfying.

    There's issues with solo queuing too - I can post screenshots like this all day long because although I do get matchmade against premades (Though they tend to be pretty soggy on Xbox EU) I also get matched against turnips non stop.

    Granted my queues are 30M so I'm not sure if they're adjusting my MMR over time and just squeezing me in to any game due to low population, but it's not fun to just waltz about deleting beginners.
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    From both sides they need to look into this, it's not fair for solo players to face premades and it's not fair for new players to be facing players like me and it's definitely not fair to those that have less than 160CP, I don't know what they were thinking with that.
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  • Iskiab
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    No
    BNOC wrote: »
    Aurielle wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    That isn’t a ‘premade’ vs ‘solo’ queuer issue. Those are people who are 1100+ CP but have not learned to pvp yet, likely because they personally lack a teamwork perspective because of their mentality... I think anyone who ends a BG with 0 healing is a carry. Two solid players wins a match easily in beginner BGs, in higher MMR it takes 3.

    Fundamentally, it is a premade vs solo issue. When you solo queue at prime time, the caliber of player you encounter is much more consistent. Matches tend to be close, drawn out affairs, with everyone giving it his or her all. When everyone is solo queued, the result tends to be a fun, intense match. Here’s an example of a typical score differential with solo queued players at NA prime time:

    YAX9XK9.jpg

    Had we all been in premades, the score would have been even closer, with hardly any deaths and (unfortunately) hardly any kills. If one of the three teams had been a premade, though, the balance would have tipped heavily in the premade’s favour.

    During off-peak hours (when people at various MMRs come into contact with one another, due to the game having to pull from a much smaller population to fill the teams up), things are a lot different. There’s much greater variation in skill and experience, and it’s typically easier to hit high personal scores if you’re used to playing in tough prime time matches. Some typical examples of off-peak score differentials and K/D ratios:

    f4R9zg0.jpg

    JOW0hzB.jpg

    41hXLru.jpg

    1s7Dtwn.jpg

    It’s also quite possible to beat the casual premades who play for fun during off-peak hours, or to troll them with kill-stealing:

    qFRMfZ7.jpg

    If you mostly play during off-peak hours, then yeah, I can see how you think that it’s not a solo vs premade issue. A lot of the most cancerous premades aren’t playing during off-peak hours, except for those that enjoy no-lifing BGs all day solely to pugstomp. I moreso play during off-peak hours these days, because I’d rather pickle my eyeballs than play against prime time premades. If I could play more at prime time and know that I wouldn’t be going up against premades, however, I would, because I personally find solo queued matches at prime time more challenging and satisfying.

    There's issues with solo queuing too - I can post screenshots like this all day long because although I do get matchmade against premades (Though they tend to be pretty soggy on Xbox EU) I also get matched against turnips non stop.

    Granted my queues are 30M so I'm not sure if they're adjusting my MMR over time and just squeezing me in to any game due to low population, but it's not fun to just waltz about deleting beginners.
    6d21e3a2-431e-47a3-b0bc-925871e176c9.PNG?sv=2015-12-11&sr=b&si=DefaultAccess&sig=DhwWSCTWgWj0S1l%2F8YVEr2tDt1e%2BBKk7lsG5%2FSkc5fs%3D
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    From both sides they need to look into this, it's not fair for solo players to face premades and it's not fair for new players to be facing players like me and it's definitely not fair to those that have less than 160CP, I don't know what they were thinking with that.

    I agree 100%. Today I had a bunch of failed queues and then started a BG with two sub CP160 players. In a low MMR BG you just stomp all over everyone, it isn't fair, and it's not fun for everyone.

    https://imgur.com/qDmZUUY

    Matching people in all gold gear, best traits, and with experience against new players is just silly.
    Edited by Iskiab on August 9, 2019 12:25PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    Condemned and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
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