Premade groups are ruining battlegrounds...

  • Urvoth
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    No
    ZOS needs to add premades vs premades queues or the ability for premade private matches, like a ladder system or something.
  • InvictusApollo
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    bardx86 wrote: »
    It's really become a boring way to play. Everyone stacks on each other in a brawler style until someone finally dies which could take minutes. It's just not fun anymore.

    Now imagine that instead of 4 players stacking on each other, you and your team of random players, have to fight a 24 pplayer premade that has at least 4 healers making everyone else completely and totally invulnerable. Everyone in that group is wearing on tanky set. And everyone else is stacked for damage because stamina/magicka sustain is being taken for by synergies provided by healers.
    And that my friend is what it's like in Cyrodill when you meet a ballgroup.
  • bardx86
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    bardx86 wrote: »
    It's really become a boring way to play. Everyone stacks on each other in a brawler style until someone finally dies which could take minutes. It's just not fun anymore.

    Now imagine that instead of 4 players stacking on each other, you and your team of random players, have to fight a 24 pplayer premade that has at least 4 healers making everyone else completely and totally invulnerable. Everyone in that group is wearing on tanky set. And everyone else is stacked for damage because stamina/magicka sustain is being taken for by synergies provided by healers.
    And that my friend is what it's like in Cyrodill when you meet a ballgroup.

    Thats why i don't play in Cyrodiil anymore.
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  • Gretzel
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    No
    They should have a separate queue but I played BGs all day long yesterday with and without a premade and I had more fun when I got out of the premade. That was a frustrating as *** experience.
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  • Gretzel
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    No
    I wonder how many people think 4 good players are "premades".

    As much as people like to think ESO caters to "noobs," the combat is not forgiving at all. The better and more experienced player almost always wins.

    Gear sets factor in too signifigantly for you to make that statement. This is coming from someone who's pvped in almost every game under the sun. Still prefer gear to not exist so it only comes down to build, timing, positioning, management, ie. Skill.
    Edited by Gretzel on April 2, 2019 1:09PM
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  • Iskiab
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    A couple of days ago I solo queued and got a BG with a really solid group where we dominated. Someone from another team started sending me tells about how premades are ruining pvp, even though it’s random and I solo queued.

    I think the issues with MMR I see are mainly because there aren’t a lot of players doing battlegrounds. If there were more players, the matches would have tighter MMRs leading to better games and groups would fill up every match. I also think until scoring is improved you’re going to have lopsided matches because your score decides your MMR, and it doesn’t necessarily correlate to why a team won. That’s why sometimes one team will get steam rolled - their MMR ranking isn’t indicative of their strength.

    As an aside, fought what I think was a premade yesterday and beat them handily.

    Is most of high MMR tight ball groups with tethered healers? It doesn’t look like an effective strategy to me. Too defensive and pvp always rewards aggressive play.

    Edited by Iskiab on April 4, 2019 3:03AM
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  • mursie
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    I think you're not facing the right premades.

    Face a magden with permafrost and deep fissure, followed up by his stamden buddy using dawnbreaker, steel tornado, and sub assault, followed up by the stam sorc with hurricane, dawnbreaker, and steel tornado. All accompanied by a magplar with guard and heals.

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  • Iskiab
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    Yea, that’s nasty. Think I usually see a DK in the mix for the root..

    That’s a good comp and tough to beat if they can ult dump you. Still think the player matters more than the class because I’ve seen complementary spec premade groups lose too.
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  • jediodyn_ESO
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    Yes
    Keep facing the same premades/partial premades night after night. Been months. Really want to get back into the game but I cant bring myself to play more than a couple of matches before logging off to find some PvP that is more fun.

    I love this game, I really want to play this game and recommend it to my friends, the PvP is just... so bad right now.

    Separating the pugs from premade is so long overdue. Last patch just made things worse.
  • thoughtseize
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    Some people prefer playing with friends. With the new patch it just made doing so even harder. I wait in queue for over 30 minutes for a bg. At this point I sit in queue more than I actually play this game. With the way mmr is now, separating queues would make it so some people would hardly ever get into a bg. The whack mmr system is the issue not the premade groups.
  • Anethum
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    At this point I sit in queue more than I actually play this game. With the way mmr is now, separating queues would make it so some people would hardly ever get into a bg. The whack mmr system is the issue not the premade groups.

    There should be a choice.
    With endless queue or quick no matter.
    U want play bg as premade - u queue as premade vs premades, or vs randoms who's choice was queue vs premades.
    If u random - u should choose what u want... very simple.
    In such case battlegrounds population will grow many times...because there will be real challenge for both premade players or random ones.
    Edited by Anethum on April 8, 2019 10:37PM
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  • bigelle.x3_ESO
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    It's not the premades, it's their healers. Healing is overturned. I imagine if you have an immortal templar that knows what he's doing on your pug team you could beat a premade of 4 dps.
  • Iskiab
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    It's not the premades, it's their healers. Healing is overturned. I imagine if you have an immortal templar that knows what he's doing on your pug team you could beat a premade of 4 dps.

    Healing’s not overtuned. There’s also no such thing as an immortal Templar, even if they have tether.

    Healing’s actually weaker in this game then others and people have more self healing in this game then most.

    Issue is moreso the level of your average pvper is still low. People want to go off and do their own thing and be rewarded for it, but it’s never going to happen. It has nothing to do with game design too, basic mathematics disagrees it’s effective.
    Edited by Iskiab on April 14, 2019 4:26PM
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  • Betty_Booms
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    It's not the premades, it's their healers. Healing is overturned. I imagine if you have an immortal templar that knows what he's doing on your pug team you could beat a premade of 4 dps.

    Partially right. Healing will win a bg in most circumstances. Although the teams generally where each member has around 150 to 200k healing but all 4 still pressure with dps I find to be more successful then a team with a deticated healer.
  • ChunkyCat
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    If you play in the mornings, before noon, eastern US time, you don’t really run into any premades.

    I don’t play as often as I used to, but the handful of times I’ve run into premades during primetime was when I was also in a premade.

    Don’t know if that’s because ZoS changed anything with the group finder, or because I just play less.
  • NupidStoob
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    It's not the premades, it's their healers. Healing is overturned. I imagine if you have an immortal templar that knows what he's doing on your pug team you could beat a premade of 4 dps.

    Healing’s not overtuned. There’s also no such thing as an immortal Templar, even if they have tether.

    Healing’s actually weaker in this game then others and people have more self healing in this game then most.

    Issue is moreso the level of your average pvper is still low. People want to go off and do their own thing and be rewarded for it, but it’s never going to happen. It has nothing to do with game design too, basic mathematics disagrees it’s effective.

    I'd agree if the only healing was actually done by the healer as it's the case in most other games as well. The massive amount of offhealing in this game especially from vigor ensures that you have a hard time killing anyone in a group. If you are solo you won't kill anyone from a premade group unless there is an incredible skillgap or they split up (which would also be attributed to being not very skilled). However most of the time the people that tryhard enough to group as 4, plan teamcomps, use voice etc. aren't bad players either.
  • bigelle.x3_ESO
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    No
    Healing's not overturned he says. Resto ult carries games. Dont even need spell power to heal, but it's not overtuned.
  • Iskiab
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    Healing's not overturned he says. Resto ult carries games. Dont even need spell power to heal, but it's not overtuned.

    You don’t need spell power to do damage either.
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  • Weesacs
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    MaxJrFTW wrote: »
    Playing a full premade right now, and the game won't give the other teams a 4th. The garbage match maker ruins bgs more than premades do...

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    Par for the course mate.
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  • Iskiab
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    Had a BG today where we were 3 fighting against two teams of 4. Didn’t get our 4th until we were 200 points behind, ended up losing by 20 some odd points.

    Moreso then premades, teams fighting short handed is the biggest BG issue right now.
    Edited by Iskiab on April 20, 2019 4:36PM
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  • MaxJrFTW
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    Yes
    And there is the same guild yet again queuing premades against solo players, and the match maker yet again, won't give the solo queuers a 4th...
    Edited by MaxJrFTW on April 25, 2019 10:52PM
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  • ChunkyCat
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    MaxJrFTW wrote: »
    And there is the same guild yet again queuing premades against solo players, and the match maker yet again, won't give the solo queuers a 4th...

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    28k damage?

    lulwut
  • Iskiab
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    Ugg, as a solo queuer I beat premades all the time. Not every time, but enough so it’s competitive.

    Some games we start losing but then later on in the game we get a 4th and have to play catch up. Never give up! If you discouraged try something else for a bit.
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  • jediodyn_ESO
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Ugg, as a solo queuer I beat premades all the time. Not every time, but enough so it’s competitive.

    Some games we start losing but then later on in the game we get a 4th and have to play catch up. Never give up! If you discouraged try something else for a bit.

    In what? Pre 50’s BGs? Low MMR BG? Who are you in game and what do you play on? I find your statement hard to believe.

    Edit for more explanation:
    I find it hard to believe b/c on PS4 this week I went up against the same duos and premades about 3/4 matches. Yeah, I play at prime time, but so do most people. Getting in with a duo? Yeah, we win, me and some pugs, hey... 2nd place.
    Edited by jediodyn_ESO on May 1, 2019 8:24PM
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