Faction lock is not fair

Zevrro · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

In what world does playing characters on multiple alliances equate to stealing other peoples valuables?

Gilvoth · June 2019

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Gilvoth wrote: »

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

In what world does playing characters on multiple alliances equate to stealing other peoples valuables?

when people became comfortable with the immoral idea that having complete freedom to make any character join any alliance and able to switch between those characters on a whim during campaigns, during a time of war, at anytime, was somehow Moral, it then became ignored that this was a wrong thing to do because of the results it would carry people then decided to make multiple characters in all the alliances and completely dis-regarded the results that one day this would come back to bite them in the butt.
and when the hammer of reality fell, and people began to complain about the results of those open freedoms, Thats when the developers closed the gates to those freedoms, but all the people who ignored those warnings now cry in the streets and constantly complain that it is somehow unfair and wrong that they are caught with MANY characters in all the alliances and act as if there was no such thing as morals during a time of war, and act as if the cheats and exploits that came from open borders was somehow moral and completely ligit.
thus, we see mass complaint threads and mass comments claiming that somehow they were the victims and that NOTHING they did was wrong.

so to answer your question, basicly its the same principle is what i put in my first example:
that, allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

falls along the same lines as what has happened here in eso's open alliances.

Zevrro · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

In what world does playing characters on multiple alliances equate to stealing other peoples valuables?

when people became comfortable with the immoral idea that having complete freedom to make any character join any alliance and able to switch between those characters on a whim during campaigns, during a time of war, at anytime, was somehow Moral, it then became ignored that this was a wrong thing to do because of the results it would carry people then decided to make multiple characters in all the alliances and completely dis-regarded the results that one day this would come back to bite them in the butt.
and when the hammer of reality fell, and people began to complain about the results of those open freedoms, Thats when the developers closed the gates to those freedoms, but all the people who ignored those warnings now cry in the streets and constantly complain that it is somehow unfair and wrong that they are caught with MANY characters in all the alliances and act as if there was no such thing as morals during a time of war, and act as if the cheats and exploits that came from open borders was somehow moral and completely ligit.
thus, we see mass complaint threads and mass comments claiming that somehow they were the victims and that NOTHING they did was wrong.

so to answer your question, basicly its the same principle is what i put in my first example:
that, allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

falls along the same lines as what has happened here in eso's open alliances.

There is nothing immoral about playing on different alliances. Stop acting like everyone cares about playing the campaign as much as you do because you're going to be disappointed.

Gilvoth · June 2019

no, its the cheats and the exploits that came from and opened the door to, the results of those open alliances, not the campaigns

Zevrro · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

no, its the cheats and the exploits that came from and opened the door to, the results of those open alliances, not the campaigns

Cheats and exploits such as what?

Gilvoth · June 2019

lol

Gilvoth · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

In what world does playing characters on multiple alliances equate to stealing other peoples valuables?

when people became comfortable with the immoral idea that having complete freedom to make any character join any alliance and able to switch between those characters on a whim during campaigns, during a time of war, at anytime, was somehow Moral, it then became ignored that this was a wrong thing to do because of the results it would carry people then decided to make multiple characters in all the alliances and completely dis-regarded the results that one day this would come back to bite them in the butt.
and when the hammer of reality fell, and people began to complain about the results of those open freedoms, Thats when the developers closed the gates to those freedoms, but all the people who ignored those warnings now cry in the streets and constantly complain that it is somehow unfair and wrong that they are caught with MANY characters in all the alliances and act as if there was no such thing as morals during a time of war, and act as if the cheats and exploits that came from open borders was somehow moral and completely ligit.
thus, we see mass complaint threads and mass comments claiming that somehow they were the victims and that NOTHING they did was wrong.

so to answer your question, basicly its the same principle is what i put in my first example:
that, allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

falls along the same lines as what has happened here in eso's open alliances.

again, this ^
answers those questions
everything you are searching for i answered.
and by the way, i love the locked campaigns, i'm not "disappointed" like you suggest.

Zevrro · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

In what world does playing characters on multiple alliances equate to stealing other peoples valuables?

when people became comfortable with the immoral idea that having complete freedom to make any character join any alliance and able to switch between those characters on a whim during campaigns, during a time of war, at anytime, was somehow Moral, it then became ignored that this was a wrong thing to do because of the results it would carry people then decided to make multiple characters in all the alliances and completely dis-regarded the results that one day this would come back to bite them in the butt.
and when the hammer of reality fell, and people began to complain about the results of those open freedoms, Thats when the developers closed the gates to those freedoms, but all the people who ignored those warnings now cry in the streets and constantly complain that it is somehow unfair and wrong that they are caught with MANY characters in all the alliances and act as if there was no such thing as morals during a time of war, and act as if the cheats and exploits that came from open borders was somehow moral and completely ligit.
thus, we see mass complaint threads and mass comments claiming that somehow they were the victims and that NOTHING they did was wrong.

so to answer your question, basicly its the same principle is what i put in my first example:
that, allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

falls along the same lines as what has happened here in eso's open alliances.

again, this ^
answers those questions
everything you are searching for i answered.
and by the way, i love the locked campaigns, i'm not "disappointed" like you suggest.

I didn't say you were disappointed at locked campaigns I said you'd be disappointed at how many people don't care about playing for the campaign. Also that doesn't answer those questions at all. How about actually answering my question rather than quoting an essay you wrote earlier as if I'm going to read it again and again looking for answers?

MipMip · June 2019

LarsS wrote: »

I like the faction lock people do care more about the Campaign. The argument about not beeing able with friends is stupid, its easy to create a new char.

@Lars why do you say people care more about the campaign? People like me who never cared about faction will not suddenly care only because there are locks. The locks just restrict options in gameplay and make ESO PvP less attractive.

Gilvoth · June 2019

talking about cheats and exploits and explaining them is against the forum rules.
you can get warnings and bans from doing that.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

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mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

well said

Derra · June 2019

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Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Derra wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

yes, that should not be allowed.
your right.

Zevrro · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

talking about cheats and exploits and explaining them is against the forum rules.
you can get warnings and bans from doing that.

There are no cheats and exploits enabled by playing multiple factions.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Derra wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

that was simply one cheat out of a long long list of cheats and exploits that could be done by having open factions.
now that faction locks exist those cheats cannot be done, same as the exploits.

Nogawd · June 2019

Friend thing again? Ok let's play along with the bad excuse for a second...

If you were indeed friends, why were you not in the same guild to fight on the same alliance in the first place?

You became friends from some other avenue after you made characters on different alliances? Great. Make some characters that can play together, pick an alliance, and play together. Multiple friends? Awesome, make a guild!

If you have alts on different alliances anyway, why not reroll a character (that people do a decent amount anyway to meta chase) to indeed play with your friends if it was that important?

We know it's not that important and just an excuse.

HaroniNDeorum · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

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Turelus wrote: »

I could imagine the quick solution would be to just add a 30 day non-locked campaign.

Why don't you guys move to the 7 days one already? That would be the quickest and easiest solution.
- Assuming they added an unlocked 30 days campaign you would need to move anyway.
- Since you care only about fights and not the alliance doesn't matter if the campaign resets every 7 or 30 days.
- If you want greater rewards then make up your mind and choose an alliance.

Faction lock is great and should had been always like this.

An Ad player who fights for a queen made by 1s and 0s hehe

HaroniNDeorum · June 2019

Sanct16 wrote: »

Also EP is winning on PC-EU-30d-CP by a lot due to constant night cap. Players will stop caring soon again as they realise they have absolutely no impact on campaign scoring if they don't play during the night/morning.

100% agree with you. Pc Na Ad is shaming themselves with the campaign score. I wanna see faction loyal peoples face and see how impactless meaningless and useless their "faction pride" and effort is

zyk · June 2019

These threads have been reduced to pure tribalism. There is no shame inherent with preferring or not preferring locked factions.

The problem here is that ZOS allowed multifaction cultures to develop by completely removing locks for more than three years. This has caused great personal pain to probably thousands of players who were accustomed to playing with friends on multiple factions.

ZOS still hasn't learned to treat players with respect. They only treat their Crown consumers with respect. Their position is always "you don't have to be here" because we don't really matter to them.

So be angry with ZOS. If you like locked factions, you should be extremely angry that ZOS botched this implementation because it's doomed to failure. And, of course, if you hate locked factions, you should blame ZOS for implementing them.

We're all entitled to our opinions. Blame ZOS for their decisions.

ellahellabella · June 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

Friend thing again? Ok let's play along with the bad excuse for a second...

If you were indeed friends, why were you not in the same guild to fight on the same alliance in the first place?

You became friends from some other avenue after you made characters on different alliances? Great. Make some characters that can play together, pick an alliance, and play together. Multiple friends? Awesome, make a guild!

If you have alts on different alliances anyway, why not reroll a character (that people do a decent amount anyway to meta chase) to indeed play with your friends if it was that important?

We know it's not that important and just an excuse.

Because my friends are spread all over 3 alliances. You seriously have no clue dude.

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

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Sanct16 wrote: »

Also EP is winning on PC-EU-30d-CP by a lot due to constant night cap. Players will stop caring soon again as they realise they have absolutely no impact on campaign scoring if they don't play during the night/morning.

100% agree with you. Pc Na Ad is shaming themselves with the campaign score. I wanna see faction loyal peoples face and see how impactless meaningless and useless their "faction pride" and effort is

Pathetic how ad is behaving in their time of power indeed. That double ap bonus due to their exploits last night was pretty delicious mind you.

ku5h · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

yes, that should not be allowed.
your right.

Wait, what? I have 7 AD chars and when i used to play quite a lot I would get my main to gold campaign rewards and 6 others to T3 rewards. Are you telling me that shouldn't be allowed and on top of that ppl call it cheating and exploiting? Lol, why? Month of PvPing for some rings and coins. In PvE land, for that amount of time invested anyone can earn millions.

Derra · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

that was simply one cheat out of a long long list of cheats and exploits that could be done by having open factions.
now that faction locks exist those cheats cannot be done, same as the exploits.

How is it a cheat. It´s working as designed?

ks888 · July 2019

OP we're not allowed to have friends or ever play for an opposing side because of the tinfoil spy criers REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Vietfox · July 2019

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

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Vietfox wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I could imagine the quick solution would be to just add a 30 day non-locked campaign.

Why don't you guys move to the 7 days one already? That would be the quickest and easiest solution.
- Assuming they added an unlocked 30 days campaign you would need to move anyway.
- Since you care only about fights and not the alliance doesn't matter if the campaign resets every 7 or 30 days.
- If you want greater rewards then make up your mind and choose an alliance.

Faction lock is great and should had been always like this.

An Ad player who fights for a queen made by 1s and 0s hehe

K.

menetherinb16_ESO · July 2019

Remove hard faction locks and allow guilds/players to opt into whatever faction they want for a set period of time to stop people from hopping faction if they are losing. Then " Friends" can still play together, guilds who want a challenge can opt into under populated side etc etc.

dtsharples · July 2019

You can already do that.
Pick your faction - with friends - at the start of a new campaign.
Swapping mid campaign? No, *** off.

Mr_Walker · July 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

that was simply one cheat out of a long long list of cheats and exploits that could be done by having open factions.

Ah, so creating 10 <insert colour> characters to get 10 30 day rewards isn't cheating, but doing it on different coloured characters is. Seriously? What a bizarre assertion.

Good grief.

Gilvoth · July 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

that was simply one cheat out of a long long list of cheats and exploits that could be done by having open factions.

Ah, so creating 10 <insert colour> characters to get 10 30 day rewards isn't cheating, but doing it on different coloured characters is. Seriously? What a bizarre assertion.

Good grief.

as long as you played that character in the campaign, (legitimately) then there's nothing wrong with receiving Gold and rewards if you have earned them on that character, no matter what faction that character is in.

omgiztim · July 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

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Turelus wrote: »

I could imagine the quick solution would be to just add a 30 day non-locked campaign.

Why don't you guys move to the 7 days one already? That would be the quickest and easiest solution.
- Assuming they added an unlocked 30 days campaign you would need to move anyway.
- Since you care only about fights and not the alliance doesn't matter if the campaign resets every 7 or 30 days.
- If you want greater rewards then make up your mind and choose an alliance.

Faction lock is great and should had been always like this.

Totally agree.

Mr_Walker · July 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Mr_Walker wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

well said
all truth

What about people that get 10+ 30 day rewards on the same faction?

This reasoning is beyond stupid.

that was simply one cheat out of a long long list of cheats and exploits that could be done by having open factions.

Ah, so creating 10 <insert colour> characters to get 10 30 day rewards isn't cheating, but doing it on different coloured characters is. Seriously? What a bizarre assertion.

Good grief.

as long as you played that character in the campaign, (legitimately) then there's nothing wrong with receiving Gold and rewards if you have earned them on that character, no matter what faction that character is in.

So what was your earlier incoherence about?