Campaign lock

MCBIZZLE300 · June 2019

Can someone explain to me why we cant access the 30 day campaign as a guest on a different alliance? I have half yellow half blue and my yellows are basically useless now apart from the odd battleground or going into the completely dead 7 day campaign. Doesn't this promote playing the game less? I dont understand, surely we should be able to acess the 30 day as a guest on a different alliance and just get no score on lb's. I just want to play on all the characters i spent hours grinding for in a busy campaign is that too much to ask.

Taleof2Cities · June 2019

We don’t need a new thread on this topic.

Here is the main discussion:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468670/revert-faction-locks-weve-been-through-this-already/p1

VaranisArano · June 2019

You can thank the trolls who went to other alliances to be toxic in zone chat, to spy, and to troll with scroll captures.

Even without AP for guesting, there's a fair bit of bad behavior that the outright faction lock makes much harder.

Aurielle · June 2019

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

MCBIZZLE300 · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

Aurielle · June 2019

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. Alliance change tokens would be nice, true; ask ZOS for that, instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

MCBIZZLE300 · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. Alliance change tokens would be nice, true; ask ZOS for that, instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

Its a stupid idea, most people just want to fight and have a laugh with their friends. Why am i bieng restricted i dont care about spying and keep flipping whatever. This cuts me off from half of my game and its not ok.

Aurielle · June 2019

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. Alliance change tokens would be nice, true; ask ZOS for that, instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

Its a stupid idea, most people just want to fight and have a laugh with their friends. Why am i bieng restricted i dont care about spying and keep flipping whatever. This cuts me off from half of my game and its not ok.

Blame the people who abused alliance swapping, then. They’re 100% to blame for this.

P.S. You can still play with friends; you just have to coordinate with each other and decide what alliance you’re playing on any given month.

iris56 · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

And then the other alliance will be useless.

I agree OP, its pretty unfair and there is nothing we can really do about it.

It feels pretty bad and unfair to have 9 characters that I can't use in PVP anymore and no way to fix it short of deleting and redoing mages, fighters, horses, crafting, psijic and all the skyshards just to get to where I was before.

And as a funny story, the ONLY time I've ever seen blatant alliance scroll cheating, was AFTER faction lock and the guy did it and started shouting about *&^% faction lock. It messed over my alliance, but it was pretty funny and more power to him. Alliance lock doesn't solve anything, too many people have alt accounts.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · June 2019

The problem is that the reasons for faction lock are completely imaginary, griefing and spying aren’t made any harder by having the factions be locked.

Meanwhile, playing Videogames with people you like (the realest thing you can get in an MMO) is now difficult and sticky. If you have two separate groups of friends then you have to pick which friends you like more.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. Alliance change tokens would be nice, true; ask ZOS for that, instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

well said.
the faction locks comes from the cheats and exploits and the ability to do those things is blocked by the faction locks.
i support faction locks, as do many.
talking about cheats and exploits and explaining them is against the forum rules. you can get warnings and bans from doing that.
you can still play on your alliance and other alliances, just wait till the campaign ends to do it.

VaranisArano · June 2019

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

The problem is that the reasons for faction lock are completely imaginary, griefing and spying aren’t made any harder by having the factions be locked.

Yes, they are.

Dedicated trolls are gonna troll. But for the average player, are they really going to give up playing for the faction/on the characters they actually like for a month in order to troll the faction they don't?

Most players won't do that. Any time you increase the effort it takes to troll, grief, emp swap, AP farm, or spy, you are going to see less of it, and that's essentially what ZOS did with faction lock.

essi2 · June 2019

I haven't seen any Scroll Trolling after faction locks got reintroduced, I'd say they are working as intended.

TequilaFire · June 2019

There are unlocked campaigns you can play your other characters on with your friends.
None are unplayable.

Qbiken · June 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are unlocked campaigns you can play your other characters on with your friends.
None are unplayable.

Well, you can't swap at the end of the campaign either so the faction lock screwed that up as well......

TequilaFire · June 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are unlocked campaigns you can play your other characters on with your friends.
None are unplayable.

Well, you can't swap at the end of the campaign either so the faction lock screwed that up as well......

That was not intended and will be fixed.

rumple9 · June 2019

It's now 1 third tamriel. Zos needs to put on an additional 30 day cp unlocked campaign

Zer0oo · June 2019

What has faction lock to do with cheats?
Answer: Nothing

But it kinda shows the what kind of players are in favor of faction locks.

I am not a priori against them but the game do not well with them in the current game state even more the implementation was terrible bad done.

There is only one populated 30 campaign with cp which means you can NOT impose a lock on the faction without making players with chars in all alliance suffer.
It did not fix anything: population are still unbalanced depending on the time and sometimes even more unbalance than before since some players can no longer help the underdog
There is no way to temporal switch alliance of a Char to be able to play for the one alliance you chose to play this month(note that a permanent switch would make a lot of new problems)

MojaveHeld · June 2019

There seems to be a lot of outright ignorance in this thread, so let's correct that. Yes, scroll-trolling and spying has gone down massively since faction lock was reintroduced. There are still isolated cases of people with alt accounts doing it, but the scale on which it happens has shrunken massively, making the experience much better in Cyrodiil. So everyone claiming that faction lock has been a total failure and hasn't helped to fix that at all is making claims that are outright false. Don't come in here outright lying and expect to be taken seriously. You have to acknowledge that there was an issue and that faction locks have helped to cut down on that problem a lot. All of these angry claims that faction lock is a total failure because you don't like it are just so dishonest. Start from an honest platform if you want to debate the issue, coming in here and lying doesn't help your case one bit, and just makes everyone even less inclined to listen to what you have to say.

Beardimus · June 2019

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Your yellows are only useless for a month. Keep in mind that faction locks were not reintroduced to curtail individual scoring across all your characters in various alliances; locks were reintroduced to counteract the griefing, cheating, and trolling made possible by faction swapping. If people were able to log in as guests on factions other than their primary alliance, it would still be possible to spy with ease, sell scrolls, dump scrolls in water, etc.

I just want to play the game. On all my characters at all times, its too late to re introduce this once weve all made different alliance characters. Or atleast give me 1 or 2 aliance change tokens.

You can play the game. On one faction per month. Alliance change tokens would be nice, true; ask ZOS for that, instead of asking them to change the way faction locks work. Faction locks were reintroduced for a reason.

Its a stupid idea, most people just want to fight and have a laugh with their friends. Why am i bieng restricted i dont care about spying and keep flipping whatever. This cuts me off from half of my game and its not ok.

Correction, SOME people just want to do that.
Others DO care about. Spying and keep flipping whatever - which is NOT ok as it ruins their game.

So who's right?

As unfortunately its the guys that miss used alliance swapping that brought this about.

And...get in the 7 day.

khajiitNPC · June 2019

Loving faction lock. 17 max lvl toons on AD, all of them tier 3. All of them getting those tasty transmute crystals. I’m glad Zenimax has finally started rewarding faction loyalty. Feels good. Also trolling, scroll trolling, ect. Has gone down a lot.

I didn’t list spying because it’s not as useful as people claim. There’s too many variables to make it successful. Also I didn’t mention faction teaming bc factions will converge along the same points on the map, either strategically for a dethrone or just because that’s what the fighting dictates.

Overall great change and I thank Zos for it.

Zevrro · June 2019

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Loving faction lock. 17 max lvl toons on AD, all of them tier 3. All of them getting those tasty transmute crystals. I’m glad Zenimax has finally started rewarding faction loyalty. Feels good. Also trolling, scroll trolling, ect. Has gone down a lot.

I didn’t list spying because it’s not as useful as people claim. There’s too many variables to make it successful. Also I didn’t mention faction teaming bc factions will converge along the same points on the map, either strategically for a dethrone or just because that’s what the fighting dictates.

Overall great change and I thank Zos for it.

It's kind of pointless telling people how much you love faction lock when it doesn't affect you. If you have 17 AD characters then obviously you're not going to care because you don't have to sacrifice anything. I don't feel rewarded at all for being forced to play 1 faction.

khajiitNPC · June 2019

Why is it pointless? The reward is I was loyal to 1 faction and that’s it. Through losing campaigns (and there were a lot) to winning campaigns. Sure there’s no reward for you, and I can sympathize to a degree. But there’s nothing wrong with a faction loyalist being thankful to zos for injecting integrity back into the game, and recognizing the fundamental error in having campaigns completely open as they did. I wish they’d introduce alliance change tokens for you people with the same complaints.

But my sympathy stops there, zos provided other means to enjoy the PvP side of the game. You can team up with any alliance in BG, you have 7 day campaigns you can flip flop between. Or it just takes some planning between you and the people you play with to decide what campaign to play in that month. Also dueling.

Have a good day.

Zevrro · June 2019

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Why is it pointless? The reward is I was loyal to 1 faction and that’s it. Through losing campaigns (and there were a lot) to winning campaigns. Sure there’s no reward for you, and I can sympathize to a degree. But there’s nothing wrong with a faction loyalist being thankful to zos for injecting integrity back into the game, and recognizing the fundamental error in having campaigns completely open as they did. I wish they’d introduce alliance change tokens for you people with the same complaints.

But my sympathy stops there, zos provided other means to enjoy the PvP side of the game. You can team up with any alliance in BG, you have 7 day campaigns you can flip flop between. Or it just takes some planning between you and the people you play with to decide what campaign to play in that month. Also dueling.

Have a good day.

The 7 day campaign is empty and BGs is a completely different type of PvP, especially when you get to high MMR. Sure I can plan to lock to the alliance that most of my friends are locked to but the rest I can't PvP with. My point was that a player who only plays 1 faction is obviously not going to care about not being able to play the other factions as they never intended to in the first place.

I feel like the disadvantages of faction lock outweigh any potential benefits by far.

Kel · June 2019

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Zevrro · June 2019

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

MojaveHeld · June 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

It has happened, yes. The scroll trolling was a bigger issue, but spying did occur sometimes, usually in peak hours. We know you don't like faction lock, but that doesn't give you license to outright lie about there not being issues that it has fixed.

Kel · June 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

If you dont, I'd say you're pretty naive.
I can't name and shame, but there is a few well know "group leaders" on ps4 that absolutely did this. And I imagine are pretty grumpy they can't anymore. Ran in one of these people's group for a minute, until I saw this happening myself. Left the group in disgust.

So I guess the answer to your question is no..I don't think it.
I've actually seen it in the group I was in, so I know it happens.

Zevrro · June 2019

Kel wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

If you dont, I'd say you're pretty naive.
I can't name and shame, but there is a few well know "group leaders" on ps4 that absolutely did this. And I imagine are pretty grumpy they can't anymore. Ran in one of these people's group for a minute, until I saw this happening myself. Left the group in disgust.

So I guess the answer to your question is no..I don't think it.
I've actually seen it in the group I was in, so I know it happens.

If people actually bothered to go to that length to spy then faction lock isn't going to stop them.

Zevrro · June 2019

MojaveHeld wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

It has happened, yes. The scroll trolling was a bigger issue, but spying did occur sometimes, usually in peak hours. We know you don't like faction lock, but that doesn't give you license to outright lie about there not being issues that it has fixed.

What is scroll trolling in your opinion?

VaranisArano · June 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Faction lock has been a boon just for chat alone. We'd frequently get trolls from other alliances popping up in zone chat to just talk trash. Not to mention you can actually use zone chat as intended now. It's been wonderful to call out where your group is headed next without an opposing zerg waiting for you because of said trolls.

Don't like faction lock? Give a big thank you to all those shady players that ruined it for you.

Do you seriously think there are people spying on which keep your group is attacking?

If you dont, I'd say you're pretty naive.
I can't name and shame, but there is a few well know "group leaders" on ps4 that absolutely did this. And I imagine are pretty grumpy they can't anymore. Ran in one of these people's group for a minute, until I saw this happening myself. Left the group in disgust.

So I guess the answer to your question is no..I don't think it.
I've actually seen it in the group I was in, so I know it happens.

If people actually bothered to go to that length to spy then faction lock isn't going to stop them.

I feel like this point has already been addressed.

No one expects faction lock to stop 100% of bad behavior.

But it stops a lot of it, because most players who might be willing to pop onto another faction for a night or two of annoying people arent willing to lock themselves to a faction they don't like for a whole month when they could be playing that month with the faction they actually like.

Nor will most players go out of their way to sabotage their own faction when their rewards are 100% tied to their locked faction. There's no benefit to themself by shooting their own locked faction in the foot. Sure, there's a rare few who do it for the pleasure of trolling. But there's no more "Oh, it doesnt matter if I troll AD because I'll get better rewards on my EP and DC toons anyway and if AD hates me, I'll go play EP for a while" type justification. If a player trolls AD, they have to deal with the consequences of that for the month.

It encourages healthy play by imposing more of a cost to being a jerk.