Faction lock is not fair

Diundriel

LarsS wrote: »

I like the faction lock people do care more about the Campaign. The argument about not beeing able with friends is stupid, its easy to create a new char.

you gonna lvl my second account so i can Play all factions with ALL my Friends whenever i want???


ohh, do the same aswell for my Friends pls so they can also Play with all of their Friends...
idk how much free time you have, but i guess you have enough to grind These accounts as you suggest lvling new Chars over a more time saving solution for most People...

Diundriel

SKYICE01 wrote: »

I love that you guys think ZoS cares.

true

amir412

Diundriel wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

I like the faction lock people do care more about the Campaign. The argument about not beeing able with friends is stupid, its easy to create a new char.

"It's easy to create a new char, if u live in ur mommy basement"

LarsS wrote: »

I like the faction lock people do care more about the Campaign. The argument about not beeing able with friends is stupid, its easy to create a new char, when u live in ur mommy basement.

Fixed.

Nermy

I think these arguments will continue to go round and round. Some like it, some don't - but whatever, it's here now. Get on with it.

Gariele

Rittings wrote: »

Alliance change tokens and "Any race, any alliance" as default for everyone would probably help a considerable amount of the community.

I would definitely buy these. Make all my characters that are not EP into EP. With faction lock in place, ZOS is sitting on a gold mine.

Hashtag_

No screw faction change tokens. I don’t need another crown store cash grab for ZOS. Enough is enough.

vamp_emily

I think Faction Lock is awesome. ESO should have given away a few faction change tokens to satisfy some of the players.

Last Saturday I was in chat trying to motivate our alliance and posting things like:



I still have my rings. Seemed like DC would get tired right before Eval. I was wanting to give them a little push and a chance to win something if they tried a little harder.

amir412

vamp_emily wrote: »

I think Faction Lock is awesome. ESO should have given away a few faction change tokens to satisfy some of the players.

Last Saturday I was in chat trying to motivate our alliance and posting things like:



I still have my rings. Seemed like DC would get tired right before Eval. I was wanting to give them a little push and a chance to win something if they tried a little harder.

And before faction lock introduced, you couldnt do the same?
I mean, what is ur point?

Mayrael

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

amir412

Mayrael wrote: »

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

Well, its mostly the fact that i cannot play my char, i grinded for PVP and PVP only.
If i had some kind of a headsup, a clue that faction lock is coming,
I wouldnt create it on other faction, cuz that simply would be stupid isnt it?

Nermy

Mayrael wrote: »

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

You and me both mate...

I mean you can grind a lvl50 toon in under an hour so that argument is null and void as far as I am concerned.

amir412

Nermy wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

You and me both mate...

I mean you can grind a lvl50 toon in under an hour so that argument is null and void as far as I am concerned.

Nah, grinding a char again, just for a poor implanted system, is null.
And as far as i know, Undauted + Psijic + Mage's Guild grind doesnt takes 1 hour does it? What about alliance rank?

vamp_emily

amir412 wrote: »

And before faction lock introduced, you couldnt do the same?
I mean, what is ur point?

I have.This was an event we had in low level PvP.



My point was DC has been doing a great job and I wanted to show my appreciation. I could have easily just gave it to someone, but I wanted to have fun with it.

Hashtag_

amir412 wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I think Faction Lock is awesome. ESO should have given away a few faction change tokens to satisfy some of the players.

Last Saturday I was in chat trying to motivate our alliance and posting things like:



I still have my rings. Seemed like DC would get tired right before Eval. I was wanting to give them a little push and a chance to win something if they tried a little harder.

And before faction lock introduced, you couldnt do the same?
I mean, what is ur point?

You can’t give that to the spies!!!!!!

Hashtag_

vamp_emily wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

And before faction lock introduced, you couldnt do the same?
I mean, what is ur point?

I have.This was an event we had in low level PvP.



My point was DC has been doing a great job and I wanted to show my appreciation. I could have easily just gave it to someone, but I wanted to have fun with it.

Can we get stuff for repeatedly killing you when you try and flag an empty keep them just cloak and draining shot with eternal hunt?

vamp_emily

amir412 wrote: »

Can we get stuff for repeatedly killing you when you try and flag an empty keep them just cloak and draining shot with eternal hunt?

1st - I find it funny you say "repeatedly" killing me. If I am flagging a keep 99% of the time it is me versus X. I'm guessing you are one of those players that think they are good because they had a group kill me. ( lol )

2nd - If you know how I play then you would know every move I make is for a reason. Example: yesterday AD showed up at Arrius to try and take our scroll before we did. I die, and go to Fare ( another DC scroll there ). Guess what happens? 10 AD show up to kill me. I'm only 1 person and got 10 AD's attention.

3rd - Does it really matter what i do? Not sure how I made it to #27 on DC leaderboard.. so many deaths and no ap for flagging empty keeps.

#LOL

Miriel

Sanct16 wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

I like the faction lock people do care more about the Campaign. The argument about not beeing able with friends is stupid, its easy to create a new char.

@LarsS

People can't play with their friends because of faction locks. How would creating a new character help with that? A lot of players who started back at launch have modt of their chars

Also EP is winning on PC-EU-30d-CP by a lot due to constant night cap. Players will stop caring soon again as they realise they have absolutely no impact on campaign scoring if they don't play during the night/morning.

Vietfox wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I could imagine the quick solution would be to just add a 30 day non-locked campaign.

Why don't you guys move to the 7 days one already? That would be the quickest and easiest solution.
- Assuming they added an unlocked 30 days campaign you would need to move anyway.
- Since you care only about fights and not the alliance doesn't matter if the campaign resets every 7 or 30 days.
- If you want greater rewards then make up your mind and choose an alliance.

Faction lock is great and should had been always like this.

The problem is that the population is so small that only 1-2 campaigns are populated.

Against what some forumers might believe the majority of players doesn't care about faction-locks and just joined the 30day CP campaign as it's the new Vive or the 30day No-CP campaign as it's the new Sotha. So both "main" campaigns are faction-locked and the 7-day campaign continues to be as dead as ever.

If the 7 day campaign would be faction-locked and the 30 day campaign faction-free we would see the same thing: Everyone playing on 30 day campaigns and almost noone on the 7 day campaign.

yes you can play with you friends, just talk to them and decide where you are going to play... what you cant do is faction hop in a ongoing match once people have picked a side. that be like the loosing side in a dota match hopped over to the winnig team couse, they also wanted to win...

talk with your friends and solve it...

Miriel

As far as i know, SOZ wont change their stance on a lock... atleast i havent heard any whispers abut it, or indication that they will...

Gariele

Miriel wrote: »

As far as i know, SOZ wont change their stance on a lock... atleast i havent heard any whispers abut it, or indication that they will...

TBF ZOS isn’t commenting on anything atm

Mr_Walker

Mayrael wrote: »

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

It's still a sewer, and DC spent 4 hours being toxic to each other last weekend, any improvements are very much in your head.

At least you knew the trolls were trolls. This time around all the idiots are purportedly on the same side....

Nermy

amir412 wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Most of those threads are about "mah friends bla bla...". But somehow you conveniently forget about how abusive and toxic faction hoppers used to be. Cyrodiil is now much more friendly place, I love it. Counter arguements or deal with it, faction lock serves very well for MOST of the players, because despite all you say most people sticks with one alliance (yes they may have many toons but actually PLAY on one) sometimes even with ONE TOON! I'm loosing patience because of this whining.

You and me both mate...

I mean you can grind a lvl50 toon in under an hour so that argument is null and void as far as I am concerned.

Nah, grinding a char again, just for a poor implanted system, is null.
And as far as i know, Undauted + Psijic + Mage's Guild grind doesnt takes 1 hour does it? What about alliance rank?

This is true but even so, I have seen a lot of very strong Necro toons in Cyro just over a month from Elswyer.

Just sayin'

dtsharples

It's only 30 days, it's really not that much of an issue.
Just ask your friends which faction they are playing for the coming campaign and join them.
Have friends playing a different faction? Great! You can play against them in the knowledge that it's all just fun and games, a bit of friendly competition never hurts.
That or agree to join them in the unlocked campaign.

There are 2 types of people I do feel sorry for:
Those who got locked into this most recent campaign due to the bug.
And those who want a 2nd NonCP Campaign so they can play in more than one campaign.

Next on the list we just need Server Locks!
Stop all those people hopping over from EU / USA and affecting off-peak hours.
There must be a glut of appallingly terribad players who will do absolutely anything to avoid fighting fairly or against equal numbers.

Nermy

dtsharples wrote: »

There are 2 types of people I do feel sorry for:
Those who got locked into this most recent campaign due to the bug.

I agree with you there mate - though there is a bit of schadenfreude over it... Lol!! Especially if they hate faction lock!

ol_BANK_lo

amir412 wrote: »

Some of us grinded characters to play with our friends on the opposite factions,
or simply just got fed up with the behavior of our faction, morning cap, etc...

After faction lock made it to live, i literally do not login to my recent grinded char - Because simply most of my chars are AD,
So putting a home campaign on non-AD char is unreasonable.

Give us alliance change token, so our time of grinding wont go to waste.

I am not strongly opinionated on this subject as all 8 of my toons are the same faction, and the games people played with having different faction toons didn't bother me enough to care. But I am surprised they would initiate faction lock without the ability to change their toons to one faction.

Zevrro

dtsharples wrote: »

It's only 30 days, it's really not that much of an issue.
Just ask your friends which faction they are playing for the coming campaign and join them.
Have friends playing a different faction? Great! You can play against them in the knowledge that it's all just fun and games, a bit of friendly competition never hurts.
That or agree to join them in the unlocked campaign.

You're saying that as if everyone just has one group that contains all of their friends and can just choose a faction together. I can pvp with most of the people I want to pvp with on the faction I am locked to but the rest I can't. Having friends locked to different factions is not "great" by any means. If I do happen to see my friends on another faction they're usually being zerged down without me being able to help them and if I find them 1v1 our duel 90% of the time will get interrupted because cyrodiil is a terrible duelling place. Also I don't really want to waste anyone's time grouping up with them so we can ride around the empty 7 day campaign.

Zevrro

Kelces wrote: »

I think I have seen enough of the "playing with friends" (aka mixed color faction stuff). .

It's fine now, although some stilll cant behave properly in staying loyal. But at least a good step towards the right direction.

Being locked to a faction isn't magically going to make people care and be loyal to that faction.

Mr_Walker

Zevrro wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

I think I have seen enough of the "playing with friends" (aka mixed color faction stuff). .

It's fine now, although some stilll cant behave properly in staying loyal. But at least a good step towards the right direction.

Being locked to a faction isn't magically going to make people care and be loyal to that faction.

Sure it will. last weekend DC were all caring so much they spent min. 4 hours typing abuse to each other in zone chat whilst they lost every home keep and 2 scrolls within 20 minutes. I was thinking maybe that time and energy could have been better spent trying to defend/capture keeps instead of productively fighting in zone chat, but hey, I'm no tactical genius, I'm sure it served a valuable purpose towards our common goal.

MajBludd

Life isnt fair. So, it makes it more realistic.

Gilvoth

allowing everyone to steal cars openly for 30 years, and then suddenly people start getting arrested for it because they decided to enforce the law.
so in response the community flipped out and started a campaign yelling and screaming in the streets that they built their life around that 30 years of freedom and how its not fair that they can no longer steal cars and trucks and built their life around that income for the sale of those cars they stole that is somehow now considered a crime, even tho all along it was a crime.

danwtayl

It's obvious most people prefer 30 day campaigns but they are split on locked versus not locked.

A simple solution is to implement 1 locked and unlocked 30 day campaign. Change the nonCP to 7 day unlocked since most people don't play those versions.

Frankly you could kill off the no cp on Xbox all together and most people wouldn't notice. BGs provide more action than that campaign does.