And here I am being outside of the norm (apparent not for long as bow/bow is starting to trend)
And all i want is a ranged spamable XD

Like, take sun fire and turn it into a stamina spamable when morphed into reflective light.

Rename it to...I dunno.
-Sun disk.
-Remove it's ability that grants it major sorcery and it's ability to hit 2 more targets
-Give it the unique property that makes it function similar to relequne, that each subsequent cast piles on the dot (obviously not to degree that releqene does at 20 stacks)
-OR SOMETHING TECHNICALLY UNIQUE (thought DK's have been on this train by accident it seems): Each cast of the spell always run it's full DOT course. So when you cast it again, all casts before it still sticks to a target and ticks down.

Bam, a way for some stamplars's to make use of their dawns wraith passives XD. That's to say, not to make it clearly superior to jabs because at least jabs had the added bonus of triggering burning light and stuff, just make it 'a good spamable'.

As funny as it would be to have a stamina morph of the jesus beam like "Sun blade barrage" that's probably asking for too much.

Fixing PoTL would be pretty neat. Or just 'giving' it something to make it less derpy would be neat. Like letting it crit, even it it's a reduced crit, SOMETHING to make it stick out more than just casting another ability. If I can cast PoTL and don't see any different between using it and using a spam-able, it's not actually doing anything. I can understand for PvP this could be a monster to overload, so not sure on exactly how to fix it up...

Fixing jabs for the meleeplars, as everyone else has mentioned, would be pretty neat too. It's such a cool LOOKING ability but evidently it's mechanics work against it. My heart goes out to you guys.

Binding Javelin is supposed to be the ranged CC button for Templars, isn't it?

I wouldn't want to turn that into a spamable because it already has a purpose. Whether or not it's working at it's purpose is another story, but it was clearly designed to stun and knock people around, while the other abilities like sunflare and jabs were made for damage

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Gotta say, the jabs change is VERY nice in PvP. Stamina templar feels a bit like a power house again. Was very happy in 1/2vX and larger battles during a few hour session in the new Vivec today. The new ritual is also very nice. Additionally due to the way dots are spaced out now, not having a proactive defense isn’t as detrimental. I had more fun on my Stamplar today than in a long time. Imo medium still isn’t an option. So for now it’s RAT in heavy with rally. Also snares feel greatly reduced in general so that a big thing. Mobility is back in a decent way.

Wait for the necros to be leveled. Particularly ones with major evasion to go with their DOT damage reduction. Im not sure how it will pan out but I am leveling a necro, and I have to say the scythe cone being true AOE and instant seems like a templar wet dream. They really need to either make jabs/sweeps a full cone where it does good damage across the board; or a pure single target attack with splash damage so that it is not tripple mitigated by being both splash and AOE and on a DOT. Im not sure making it instant is needed now to keep the flavor but it does have an identity crisis.

What can ya do lol. I’ll just take that much more satisfaction from each necro tryhard I slay with my Stamplar. Can’t wait for the hate whispers from those thinking they should be carried by necro abilities. Salt aside someone used the flesh atro ult today and it actually was a pretty awesome looking addition to the battle field. I know I’ll prob hate them in a few weeks once the ball zergs get their cheese together.

usmcjdking wrote: »

The new Empowering Sweep is comically bad.

It has zero PVP function and is such a minimal DPS gain in PVE that I'm likely to gain more damage with the aid of major protection, than empower will give me in a vast majority of scenarios.

it really is. That was the one buff that made stamplar think "do I want dmg or defense" when looking to taking off DBoS. Now its no contest; slot DBoS or die noncompetitive.

But hey, at least stamcro has 7k blightbone tooktips after all mitigation lol.

Just watched an old podcast on templar builds for PVP in 2015. The same criticism then applies today:
- aside from cresent sweep for magplar, both specs have underwhelming ultimates
- our passives arent as stacked as other classes.
- aedric spear abilities/passives not as up front regarding their benefit across wide spectrum of templars. You are punished if you want to deslot jabs/sweeps.
- push towards healing class but healing slowly stripped over time.
- class shield intended to be aggressive but stripped of offensive power so now lacks identity.
- overall kit does not match that of other classes for pvp.

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

@whoeverlistens @allofZoS @thenumbskullsincharge ,

37% nerf to dark flare damage is absolutely ludicrous if the determining factor is " well you can cast is faster by 1/11th"...
Who ever thought that this explanation and reasoning was sufficient enough to drop the mega nerf hammer, THEY NEED SOME SENSE SLAPPED IN THEM.

I understand nerfs that lead to balance, but this one is just stupid and plainly insulting to every person in this thread or who have TRIED TO HELP YOU ZOS FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THINGS.

I generally try to be a positive person and refrain from griping on here, but where did you come up with the idea that dark flare needed a nerf? It wasn't from the forums, It wasn't from ingame PvP complaints( hardly see any dark flares in Cyrodil ever, maybe once in 6-8hrs of play), and I know that it wasn't from the PvE peeps (NO ONE USES DARK FLARE IN PVE COMPETIVELY).

So, WHERE DID THIS START? WHY? MAKES ZERO SENSE...

Dont feed me this BS "oh you can cast it faster". If this was the intended train of thought, then nerf it by 1/11th!!!

Absolutely disgusted with the direction and overall action by the devs and team at ZoS.

Edited to add a cute sad cat so @ZOS_GinaBruno will maybe put a bug in someones ear...

They also removed the 200ms time after channeled and cast time abilities, so effectively it should be 3/13th of the total cast time removed. Still a nerf but not as big as you make it out to be.

Removed the 200ms post global cooldown from cast time abilities. This was done to improve the feeling of using these abilities in rapid succession with other abilities, to allow for a more fluid transition, and less down time between usage. We also made some adjustments to the cast times and power levels of specific abilities, which will be called out on a per case basis in further notes.

@technohic yeah, I don’t think medium is so viable as an orc anymore. At least I just gave up because shuffle is so expensive. But maybe now that snares and roots are toned down a bit it could work? I dislike that we are forced into running two damage sets in order to function.

Vajrak wrote: »

Idea for "Fixing" Healing Ritual: Scrap it. Replace with --

Aedric Touch :PBAoE, 10m - Gives the caster and allies in the casting radius Major Sorcery and restores 1% max health every 0.5s. Duration: 20s

Morph: Aedric Blessing - restores 1% max health, 100 magicka and stamina every 0.5s, and grants Major Sorcery. Duration: 20s
Morph: Aedric Vitality - Converts to stamina. HoT @ 1% of max hp (40% over the duration), grants minor heroism, and now grants Major Brutality. Duration: 20s

This skill would be viable for Tanks, Healers, and Mag DPS -- and covers a lot of pain points --- Tanks would have a reliable hp% heal in either form, having to choose between minor heroism or more resources.

Healers would be able to grant the party a lot of resources, as would mag dps, and stam dps would have a reliable HoT and more chance to use ults in their rotation.

Fits with the idea of Templar supporting allies with resources and restores while putting out damage.

On the Light Weaver passive, get rid of the 60% or less hp = ult gain and replace with: while effected by Aedric Touch, increase damage done by 2/4%.

They already give reasources to everyone. Adding "more abilities that give resources" is probably going to make them remove things from other abilities and render them either redundant or

Repentance was made somewhat obsolete by rune focus as it is (in pve) even though its designed for resources.

If this change happens, include what happens to the other skills that do similar things. Because you know they wont be left alone.

Dont get me wrong i want change but givibg them stuff they already give ontop of buffs leans to overloaded sides

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

@technohic yeah, I don’t think medium is so viable as an orc anymore. At least I just gave up because shuffle is so expensive. But maybe now that snares and roots are toned down a bit it could work? I dislike that we are forced into running two damage sets in order to function.

After talking posting to you on how I find defile and penetration important, and speed; I'm trying cowards again. This time with ravager and 1h/shield to give that fracture and defile. Going the selfish route in the one that gives me armor.

Still not using the shield ulti. Like the idea of temporal gaurd on the bar I go defensive and stacking it with major protection from cowards and it can make you elusive when used right.

Will see how it goes when I get time

steed+RAT will be the speed you need . Try playing again without it, and its not enough.

Vajrak wrote: »

Idea for "Fixing" Healing Ritual: Scrap it. Replace with --

Aedric Touch :PBAoE, 10m - Gives the caster and allies in the casting radius Major Sorcery and restores 1% max health every 0.5s. Duration: 20s

Morph: Aedric Blessing - restores 1% max health, 100 magicka and stamina every 0.5s, and grants Major Sorcery. Duration: 20s
Morph: Aedric Vitality - Converts to stamina. HoT @ 1% of max hp (40% over the duration), grants minor heroism, and now grants Major Brutality. Duration: 20s

This skill would be viable for Tanks, Healers, and Mag DPS -- and covers a lot of pain points --- Tanks would have a reliable hp% heal in either form, having to choose between minor heroism or more resources.

Healers would be able to grant the party a lot of resources, as would mag dps, and stam dps would have a reliable HoT and more chance to use ults in their rotation.

Fits with the idea of Templar supporting allies with resources and restores while putting out damage.

On the Light Weaver passive, get rid of the 60% or less hp = ult gain and replace with: while effected by Aedric Touch, increase damage done by 2/4%.

If we scrap any skills and redo them I’d like to see stamina Templar’s getting some more damage or a good DoT.

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

@technohic yeah, I don’t think medium is so viable as an orc anymore. At least I just gave up because shuffle is so expensive. But maybe now that snares and roots are toned down a bit it could work? I dislike that we are forced into running two damage sets in order to function.

After talking posting to you on how I find defile and penetration important, and speed; I'm trying cowards again. This time with ravager and 1h/shield to give that fracture and defile. Going the selfish route in the one that gives me armor.

Still not using the shield ulti. Like the idea of temporal gaurd on the bar I go defensive and stacking it with major protection from cowards and it can make you elusive when used right.

Will see how it goes when I get time

I’ve folded and started running SB using reverb and ransack. I hate myself but the pressure and damage is there. Major and minor fracture + major defile isn’t easy to ignore. The only issue is that I do get into a lot more stalemates with better players 1v1.

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

Idea for "Fixing" Healing Ritual: Scrap it. Replace with --

Aedric Touch :PBAoE, 10m - Gives the caster and allies in the casting radius Major Sorcery and restores 1% max health every 0.5s. Duration: 20s

Morph: Aedric Blessing - restores 1% max health, 100 magicka and stamina every 0.5s, and grants Major Sorcery. Duration: 20s
Morph: Aedric Vitality - Converts to stamina. HoT @ 1% of max hp (40% over the duration), grants minor heroism, and now grants Major Brutality. Duration: 20s

This skill would be viable for Tanks, Healers, and Mag DPS -- and covers a lot of pain points --- Tanks would have a reliable hp% heal in either form, having to choose between minor heroism or more resources.

Healers would be able to grant the party a lot of resources, as would mag dps, and stam dps would have a reliable HoT and more chance to use ults in their rotation.

Fits with the idea of Templar supporting allies with resources and restores while putting out damage.

On the Light Weaver passive, get rid of the 60% or less hp = ult gain and replace with: while effected by Aedric Touch, increase damage done by 2/4%.

If we scrap any skills and redo them I’d like to see stamina Templar’s getting some more damage or a good DoT.

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

@technohic yeah, I don’t think medium is so viable as an orc anymore. At least I just gave up because shuffle is so expensive. But maybe now that snares and roots are toned down a bit it could work? I dislike that we are forced into running two damage sets in order to function.

After talking posting to you on how I find defile and penetration important, and speed; I'm trying cowards again. This time with ravager and 1h/shield to give that fracture and defile. Going the selfish route in the one that gives me armor.

Still not using the shield ulti. Like the idea of temporal gaurd on the bar I go defensive and stacking it with major protection from cowards and it can make you elusive when used right.

Will see how it goes when I get time

I’ve folded and started running SB using reverb and ransack. I hate myself but the pressure and damage is there. Major and minor fracture + major defile isn’t easy to ignore. The only issue is that I do get into a lot more stalemates with better players 1v1.

Debating swapping DBOS for the 2h ultimate since going sword and board ransack rather than spriggans means Im rally focusing a single target now. Irony is that the 2h ultimate makes the penetration pointless

EDIT: I really hate this single target focus on stamplar. Think Id rather go spriggan and not worry about the single target setup. My NB is much better suited for that

It’s a situational thing for me. The 2H ult is far superior 1v1 and better of pops are really low and I’m more likely to encounter single players or two or three players together. Timed properly with PoL that ult is devastating. Probably more so in comparison with DBoS now that the dot is spaced out.

Dunning_Kruger wrote: »

Patch feels good. Until you get pummeling goliathed lol.

I just laugh about necro. Honestly I don’t care anymore. Wipe a whole group with the flesh atro in BGs, whatever. Im completely over caring much about balance in ESO. It’s nice that this patch that mobility is back, but clearly even after all the discussion and a complete revamp of the combat team that they still have a weird way of doing things i.e. an entire patch cycle almost entirely devoted to stamina NB, stam sorc and Stamplar all but ignored and all the inconsistency. It doesn’t warrant much in the way of getting worked up about it. For the rest of my ESO time, however long that may be, I’m just gonna sit back and play when it suites me. Might chime in for some dumb *** like people trying to nerf Templars but that’s it.