The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

Miriel · May 2019

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

enjoy grinding up a new account, with new items, and new cps..

Ranger209 · May 2019

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

There is nothing wrong with switching every 30 days. Pick a faction and play for it for the duration of the campaign. When the campaign starts fresh for the next cycle pick a new one. I don't think anyone wants perma faction lock, maybe a few.... It's about committing to an alliance for the duration of a campaign in a PvP system that is set up to be AvAvA.

Gilvoth · May 2019

Ranger209 wrote: »

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

There is nothing wrong with switching every 30 days. Pick a faction and play for it for the duration of the campaign. When the campaign starts fresh for the next cycle pick a new one. I don't think anyone wants perma faction lock, maybe a few.... It's about committing to an alliance for the duration of a campaign in a PvP system that is set up to be AvAvA.

this^
well said

Diundriel · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

enjoy grinding up a new account, with new items, and new cps..

can buy acc cheap

Beardimus · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

I'd happily have it. It's odd how it is, but at least doesn't impact play beyond a bit of RP / 'Mersion. And i think you might be being pundantic

Miriel · May 2019

Diundriel wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

enjoy grinding up a new account, with new items, and new cps..

can buy acc cheap

Then there isnt any problems, i dont mind people choosing their side every 30days...

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

I don’t know why people are acting as if a lot of the things you guys complain about doesn’t happen with faction loyalist too. The only valid argument is swapping to the winning side.

I’ve seen players troll or just farm the scroll, not help crown or defend emperorship, keyboard fight in area chat, boost off opposing players, set down the max siege etc.

All of that done by people who only play one faction. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Enkil · May 2019

Ranger209 wrote: »

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

There is nothing wrong with switching every 30 days. Pick a faction and play for it for the duration of the campaign. When the campaign starts fresh for the next cycle pick a new one. I don't think anyone wants perma faction lock, maybe a few.... It's about committing to an alliance for the duration of a campaign in a PvP system that is set up to be AvAvA.

Well said.. I have toons on all 3 and if I get sick of one, or if they are zerging too much and doing stupid crap, upon campaign reset, I’ll play on a different one. This is not some draconian change some make it out to be.. you can hop as much as u want, just within defined and sensible timeframes (after the campaign window ends)... that’s how it should have been from the get-go.

Elong · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

[snip] is the 1T idea? U coining a new phrase?

PvP has always been the neglected stepchild in ESO... many of us hoped way back in 2013ish that ESO would become the big dominant and preeminent PvP game... However, ESO’s dev’s have squandered and *** that up royally several times over...

1 Tamriel was play how you want with who you want.

you still can...

I hope you like grinding up max CP on a new account... by by faction hoppers

It's sad that you seem to almost be reveling in it. FYI I don't faction hop, so I won't be grinding a new account. Unless you count 9 months on another faction as hopping.

I think it's been proven in this and other threads that Faction RPers are the most toxic people in this game.

It is what it is, I'm done with this debate.

[edited to remove quote]

DisgracefulMind · May 2019

Diundriel wrote: »

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts ; tho second Option gonna take some time ...

People who think anything will change...lmao

Kikke · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

And if I face them in cyro it is kill or be killed. Pleasantries can be done later.

kyle.wilson · May 2019

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

ellahellabella · May 2019

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

Minyassa · May 2019

I would like to challenge whoever made this call to spend one month doing the following:

1. Pick 1/3 of your friends to socialize with. You may not spend any time with the other 2/3 until after the month is up.
2. Eat the same food for every meal for that entire month.
3. Wear the same outfit for that entire month.

If you can do that and then *honestly* tell me you had fun doing it, I will accept that someone may have actually put some thought into the impact.

synnerman · May 2019

Been here since Beta and can't wait for faction locks to return. If you want to play with your "friends" then go on another campaign. I have seen whole grps of players even guilds hop over to attempt to influence 2nd place gaining ground on them when 2nd place focuses 3rd.
It may be socializing for a few but blame those who have spoilt it for you. Guilds relogging, scroll takers who grab and hand it to their mates on the faction they have relogged from, idiots who have no life who relog just to troll zone and players. Well those people will now have to make a choice 30 days of doing that or stay on their main / original faction and play.

Yes I agree it won't stop it all as some people really have no life whatsoever but its a good start.

Ahtu · May 2019

Last night in Vivec on PC NA a certain well-know faction hopper and his group put down friendly attacker oils on the ground at the last Emperor keep to prevent a friend in my guild from becoming Emperor right before the campaign was reset. The only reason they would do such a thing is so that EP would not have Emperor when they relog into one of the other factions after the reset. Faction locks would prevent this from happening in the first place and I for one can't wait for them to be implemented next month.

ks888 · May 2019

@Ahtu You got trolled by your own faction, thus proving that faction locks are pointless.

If you simply want to roll over an uncontested map to get emperor, why not try one of those great alternative servers that faction loyalist want those who wish to have flexibility to be relegated to?

Yeah it was a jerk move, but it's also a jerk move to support those who have actively said they don't care if the game is playable or enjoyable for anyone else and actively attempt to faction stack multiple nights a week. This same person also thinks it's ok to throw out incredibly personal insults. It's one thing to say potato, pug, or call a game move dumb, but it's uncool to, for instance, call a random player a *** in zone. Your "friends" are guilty of this too.

I'm not denying it was a jerk move either (although we honestly thought he had gotten emp once already so felt sorta bad if he didn't). I'm not denying friends of mine have said some bad things, but we also worked very had for the faction too, only to get hate whispers every day from the faction loyal crowd just for AP farming on a resource for a couple of hours on one our guild days where we decided to play DC for a change of pace. It's kind of exhausting at this point. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Fast forward to this weekend where I worked my tail off one morning (my dogs woke me up early and I was bored) so I was running a pug group, on EP mind you, to keep DC from rolling over an uncontested map, only to have those same people that I was helping hours before send me salt. So I try to help maintain balance, but it doesn't matter what I do, because as soon as our small group of 8 decide to hop on DC for a portion of my playtime, that works means nothing and the hate tells come in. The only reason EP wasn't pushed to their gates this past Saturday, before you logged in @Ahtu, was because my group and one other worked together to keep it from happening. Yet time and time again, you and many others harp on the "faction hopping" issue. We can't win either way. Your camp has made up their minds that we're all elitist who never work for the faction under any circumstances (even though we really don't care about the campaign rewards).

So it's whatever. I try to help I get hate, I play another faction I get hate, I question a siege I get hate. Meh. I tried and since I'm going on vaca in a week *shrug*. At the end of the day, it's a game and this loss of flexibility to play with those I wish to spend time around might just be a reason to spend more time on a different game. So good day sir.

ks888 · May 2019

P.S. @Ahtu faction locks also don't guarantee that we swap over for a 30 day cycle. We might just stay EP and y'all might be stuck with us filthy faction hopper elitist *insert the plethora of insults here" players.

NBrookus · May 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

Last night in Vivec on PC NA a certain well-know faction hopper and his group put down friendly attacker oils on the ground at the last Emperor keep to prevent a friend in my guild from becoming Emperor right before the campaign was reset. The only reason they would do such a thing is so that EP would not have Emperor when they relog into one of the other factions after the reset. Faction locks would prevent this from happening in the first place and I for one can't wait for them to be implemented next month.

OR
They didn't like the person trying to get emp
They didn't like the guild pushing emp
They were trying to block emp so a friend in #2 or #3 slot could get it later
They didn't want to deal with the server melt-down of a prime time emp

All of the above and more happened when faction locks were in place before. Faction locks don't make a faction hold hands and sing Kumbaya and automatically like each other.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

The ONLY problem with the return of Faction Lock is they don't apply to all campaigns.

Kikke · May 2019

Minyassa wrote: »

I would like to challenge whoever made this call to spend one month doing the following:

1. Pick 1/3 of your friends to socialize with. You may not spend any time with the other 2/3 until after the month is up.
2. Eat the same food for every meal for that entire month.
3. Wear the same outfit for that entire month.

If you can do that and then *honestly* tell me you had fun doing it, I will accept that someone may have actually put some thought into the impact.

I socialize outside of cyro with my cross faction friends. I've had months where all I've eaten has been cardboard pizza's. And I usually wear the same outfit on my characters for months and months at a time.

Now, what does this have too do with Faction locked cyro?

NirnStorm · May 2019

@ks888 @NBrookus
Honestly I don't know why you (or we) keep trying.
Clearly the only way Ahtu would response to a long, heartfelt, well written and logical comment such as yours is through ignoring or dismissing everything said with no reasoning of his own brought up, just blurting out some irrelevant sentence calling faction lock glorious.

Oh wait, @bulbousb16_ESO just beat him to it.

kyle.wilson · May 2019

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

I understood what I quoted. You also seem to agree that more players want a locked campaign. Because, if it was the other way the majority would shift to the unlocked campaign. This is an easy way for ZOS to determine what the majority want.

To be honest, I don't care either way. It does seem that this is a reasonable way to determine player attitudes, than to just faction lock all campaigns.

Miriel · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

[snip] is the 1T idea? U coining a new phrase?

PvP has always been the neglected stepchild in ESO... many of us hoped way back in 2013ish that ESO would become the big dominant and preeminent PvP game... However, ESO’s dev’s have squandered and *** that up royally several times over...

1 Tamriel was play how you want with who you want.

you still can...

I hope you like grinding up max CP on a new account... by by faction hoppers

It's sad that you seem to almost be reveling in it. FYI I don't faction hop, so I won't be grinding a new account. Unless you count 9 months on another faction as hopping.

I think it's been proven in this and other threads that Faction RPers are the most toxic people in this game.

It is what it is, I'm done with this debate.

Again you can still switch faction between campaigns, what you cant do is change faction during a campaign... like most things, when people abuse something, and i take that ESO aparantly also see it, hence the change... dont blame me, blame the people that have been hopping factions, their the ones thats the reason the change is comming not me, or every one else that argued for this change, that ESO also aparantly see, since the change...

The most riddling thing for me is your reasoning to blame people that want this lock, like their the reason its happening, their not, ESO makes changes based on what players do within their game... the only people to blame is the faction hoppers, no one else

[edited to remove quote]

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

NirnStorm wrote: »

@ks888 @NBrookus
Honestly I don't know why you (or we) keep trying.

Stubbornness and irrationality?

Joy_Division · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

i can only asume ESO knows what their doing...

That's basically posting, "yeah I got nothing."

Miriel · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

i can only asume ESO knows what their doing...

That's basically posting, "yeah I got nothing."

If anyone one can see the statisics and when people change characters and have been swtiching faction... its them... so yea, i wouldent say thats nothing

ellahellabella · May 2019

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

I understood what I quoted. You also seem to agree that more players want a locked campaign. Because, if it was the other way the majority would shift to the unlocked campaign. This is an easy way for ZOS to determine what the majority want.

To be honest, I don't care either way. It does seem that this is a reasonable way to determine player attitudes, than to just faction lock all campaigns.

I never agreed so stop putting words in my mouth. In the case of Azuras, no one wanted to play without the cp they grinded up and there was another 30 day available. So everyone moved there instead.
The largest day campaigns have always been considered the main campaigns since the beginning of eso by the general populace. That is not about to change. The 7 day might get more lively in NA prime but that will be it.

People keep saying "Go to the non locked server" and all of us outside of NA Prime have to keep repeating ourselves.
There isn't a large enough population outside of NA primetime to spread over 2 seperate servers

Miriel · May 2019

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

I understood what I quoted. You also seem to agree that more players want a locked campaign. Because, if it was the other way the majority would shift to the unlocked campaign. This is an easy way for ZOS to determine what the majority want.

To be honest, I don't care either way. It does seem that this is a reasonable way to determine player attitudes, than to just faction lock all campaigns.

I never agreed so stop putting words in my mouth. In the case of Azuras, no one wanted to play without the cp they grinded up and there was another 30 day available. So everyone moved there instead.
The largest day campaigns have always been considered the main campaigns since the beginning of eso by the general populace. That is not about to change. The 7 day might get more lively in NA prime but that will be it.

People keep saying "Go to the non locked server" and all of us outside of NA Prime have to keep repeating ourselves.
There isn't a large enough population outside of NA primetime to spread over 2 seperate servers

Yea, but again, dont blame us or ESO, blame those that faction hopped... their the sole reason why people cant have nice things...

NBrookus · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

I understood what I quoted. You also seem to agree that more players want a locked campaign. Because, if it was the other way the majority would shift to the unlocked campaign. This is an easy way for ZOS to determine what the majority want.

To be honest, I don't care either way. It does seem that this is a reasonable way to determine player attitudes, than to just faction lock all campaigns.

I never agreed so stop putting words in my mouth. In the case of Azuras, no one wanted to play without the cp they grinded up and there was another 30 day available. So everyone moved there instead.
The largest day campaigns have always been considered the main campaigns since the beginning of eso by the general populace. That is not about to change. The 7 day might get more lively in NA prime but that will be it.

People keep saying "Go to the non locked server" and all of us outside of NA Prime have to keep repeating ourselves.
There isn't a large enough population outside of NA primetime to spread over 2 seperate servers

Yea, but again, dont blame us or ESO, blame those that faction hopped... their the sole reason why people cant have nice things...

Or you could blame the *** poor performance and ignoring PVP for years that the players that formerly filled those campaigns left for other games.