Incapacitating Strike Silence 5.0.3

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2019

Forums right now... every one is like "panic mode on"

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Have any one actually tested it on PTS ? How does it work and feel ?

Oh and sorry but... but... I have to... I just have to:

^ This is literally how I felt some patches ago, and 2 patches ago and last patch. And I was told exactly what. To L2P.
Are those changes really that bad that ppl simply refuse to even hear of this ????

Jaraal · May 2019

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

is it me or there is no true solid counterplay?

Race change to Bosmer and roll roll roll outta Dodge!

Insco851 · May 2019

Jaraal wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

is it me or there is no true solid counterplay?

Race change to Bosmer and roll roll roll outta Dodge!

Bosmer MNb coming right up

fred4 · May 2019

They're investigating counterplay? This change disproportionately affects magicka characters. Even if they add counterplay - which for the record is a stupid idea piled on top of a stupid idea - it still seems like a nerf to magicka characters. Who complained about falling to nightblades? Which nightblades complained about difficulties bringing down specifically magicka characters? Will the counterplay be that Incap grants magicka characters 3 free dodge rolls? Cause that's about the only thing I can think of that would even the playing field. NOT THAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR THAT. This post merely aims to illustrate the sheer stupidity of the change.

fullheartcontainer · May 2019

I'm sorry but this is absolutely the most ridiculous change I've ever seen in this game. If it goes live with a silence I'll be leaving this game and cancelling my sub.

Stamblade has been S-tier for PvE and PvP since launch. I don't understand how devs can tack on MASSIVELY overpowered changes like this to Stamblades at the last moment in a PTS cycle while entirely ignoring the existence of classes like Stamsorc and Stamplar.

Sandman929 · May 2019

I hope the "investigation" includes someone at ZOS firing up their game. Preferably during prime time on a packed campaign. The investigation might reveal quite a bit.

Insco851 · May 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

I'm sorry but this is absolutely the most ridiculous change I've ever seen in this game. If it goes live with a silence I'll be leaving this game and cancelling my sub.

Stamblade has been S-tier for PvE and PvP since launch. I don't understand how devs can tack on MASSIVELY overpowered changes like this to Stamblades at the last moment in a PTS cycle while entirely ignoring the existence of classes like Stamsorc and Stamplar.

Well they were actively trying to balance NB this patch. Not really other classes. I don’t mind that considering NB is a touchy class to balance properly.

However, this idea.... this can’t happen. I get that they toned down the dmg and were trying to bring it back in another form, but this was just a giant oversight

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Forums right now... every one is like "panic mode on" .
Have any one actually tested it on PTS ? How does it work and feel ?

Oh and sorry but... but... I have to... I just have to:

^ This is literally how I felt some patches ago, and 2 patches ago and last patch. And I was told exactly what. To L2P.
Are those changes really that bad that ppl simply refuse to even hear of this ????

Uhhh yes they kinda are this bad? Or which recent patch note caused whatever class it is that you Play to be unable to use all of your main Damage, healing and defense abilities? While also being not a cc so cant be countered and allows for a giant burst window without you being able to do something About it? Show me that patch note please, I really must´ve missed something.
How am I supposed to defend myself on a magplar without being able to cast any abilities? Want to explain that to me? Oh and I also cant loose too much stam in doing so because then I will not be able to break the cc that will follow shortly after the silence and will be dead regardless because I get the full Duration stun of a fear. I guess I could respec to stam but that kinda makes every mag class obsolete.
@Tommy_The_Gun

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

I am thinking.. maybe just interchange magicka/stamina scaling on Incap and Harvest? Magblade was nerfed and needs compensation which will be provided by Reave.. also given how risky is melee on magblade silence maybe an adequate debuff. High risk -> high reward. And stamblade looked ok and powerful at 5.0.2, just leave it with 70 cost harvest and major defile without stun from accumulated cost. So interchange them and all problems solved.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Wolfahm · May 2019

you just described all other types of CC.

How about we just revert all the pointless nerfs to NB in the 1st place caused by the tears of the same people that are crying about silence right now?

Bosov · May 2019

I think incap should be a aoe too so i could silence everyone who is complaining about this change at the same time.

Why is negate the only aoe silence in the game anyway? Doesnt sound fair to me... aoe silence incap does sound fair to me.

Just an idea... but remember, if i dont get what i want i will cancel my eso+!

Wolfahm · May 2019

HELLO I AM A PVP-MAGSORC LOBBYIST AND I WANT TO NEVER DIE AND RULE ALL OF NIRN! LISTEN TO MY TEARS AND SHAPE THE GAME TO MY WILL SINCE 2014!

JobooAGS · May 2019

I would rather have the defile returned to incap and keep reave than have silence. That is broken

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Bosov wrote: »

I think incap should be a aoe too so i could silence everyone who is complaining about this change at the same time.
Why is negate the only aoe silence in the game anyway? Doesnt sound fair to me... aoe silence incap does sound fair to me.
Just an idea... but remember, if i dont get what i want i will cancel my eso+!

Cant you uninstall the game instead and never enter a discussion About Combat balance again?

Wolfahm wrote: »

you just described all other types of CC.
How about we just revert all the pointless nerfs to NB in the 1st place caused by the tears of the same people that are crying about silence right now?

Nope we didnt describe all other types of cc because you can break cc´s but not the silence, well Maybe YOU cant break cc but that doesnt Change cc being breakable.
Also nice to see that you dont even realize your class is getting big buffs (for PvP that is) if the changes go live as they are Right now. What was that that you said in this or another thread About magsorc mains not recognizing their PvP Status? Seems like you cant do so for your main class either.

J18696 · May 2019

Remember when they said it's the year of the dragon they made a mistake year of the blade bois

Morgul667 · May 2019

Zos Cant be serious lol

Wolfahm · May 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

I think incap should be a aoe too so i could silence everyone who is complaining about this change at the same time.
Why is negate the only aoe silence in the game anyway? Doesnt sound fair to me... aoe silence incap does sound fair to me.
Just an idea... but remember, if i dont get what i want i will cancel my eso+!

Cant you uninstall the game instead and never enter a discussion About Combat balance again?

Wolfahm wrote: »

you just described all other types of CC.
How about we just revert all the pointless nerfs to NB in the 1st place caused by the tears of the same people that are crying about silence right now?

Nope we didnt describe all other types of cc because you can break cc´s but not the silence, well Maybe YOU cant break cc but that doesnt Change cc being breakable.
Also nice to see that you dont even realize your class is getting big buffs (for PvP that is) if the changes go live as they are Right now. What was that that you said in this or another thread About magsorc mains not recognizing their PvP Status? Seems like you cant do so for your main class either.

You understand it takes time to CC break right? 1 roll dodge and you are in the clear .. if you main a magsorc and you are losing 1v1 to a NB you need to reevaluate your build.

J18696 · May 2019

Bosov wrote: »

I think incap should be a aoe too so i could silence everyone who is complaining about this change at the same time.

Why is negate the only aoe silence in the game anyway? Doesnt sound fair to me... aoe silence incap does sound fair to me.

Just an idea... but remember, if i dont get what i want i will cancel my eso+!

Because negate don't have a 10k+ instant dmg tooltip on live my incap tooltip over 20k gib silence pls

Wolfahm · May 2019

The people that cried and complain about counterable NB skills caused this whole trashy PTS in the first place .. enjoy your own mess.

Minalan · May 2019

At least they saved me the trouble of buying their expansion.

Now I can unsubscribe too. Done!

usmcjdking · May 2019

Why is there so much focus and attention going onto a class that is not only 5 years old, but spent the last few years reigning supreme and/or competitive in PVE & PVP.

You've got entire specs that are borderline dead. You've got classes that ARE dead.

How is the stealthy invisible rogue tankier than the Paladin? Why does the Paladin have worse healing than the fire breathing Dragonknight.

?????????????????????

Whatever vision you have for classes is not in tune with consumer expectations are - not only that they aren't in tune with any expectations you've given us.

Mr_Nobody · May 2019

Well the usual mag character can't roll 3 times in a row. Or block without doing anything, since you would already be 10k hp down.

While you are all QQing, ill also mention that it does not give cc immunity for its duration, meaning u can get chained, or feared/ccd while with silence on you, making you completely vulnerable.

Elder Stamina Online, here we go. This is upfront the most *** thing ive read in a while.

Your typical scenario - open from cloak with a HA/incap, click whatever other skills u got, collect the AP and move on.

They think they are changing/improving the game PvP wise but they are not. Fix/nerf core problems like purge bots in PvP etc. The campaigns lag due to stacking and only Purge allows grps to stack.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Wolfahm wrote: »

You understand it takes time to CC break right? 1 roll dodge and you are in the clear .. if you main a magsorc and you are losing 1v1 to a NB you need to reevaluate your build.

It does take time to CC break but does it usually take you 3 seconds? Also I main a magtemplar (no not a heavy armor healbot but a light armor Damage build) so you really dont Need to tell me how magsorcs loosing to nbs is a l2p issue (also relevant fun fact for you, stamblade won the most recent duel Tournament against a magsorc [snip]).
[edited for baiting]

CompM4s · May 2019

They really didn't think this through...

Spizzie · May 2019

Perhaps the biggest example of bias for StamBlades is that they can spec entirely for damage, not wearing a single defensive or sustain set, and still have some of the best damage mitigation of any class in the entire game.

Changing Sorc shields to require Impen, investment in resistances, and a cap on Damage shield size was entirely reasonable because when I played on my Magsorc, I never had to worry about anything other than getting my Magicka pool as large as possible. You couldn't crit my shields, your penetration didn't matter, and striving for 1 bonus (Max Mag) helped both my damage and my defense. Now I have to wear impen, focus on my resistances, etc. It's far healthier than before (albeit, still not perfect).

But Stamblades? They can roll dodge 3 straight times without even blinking, and then alternate between roll dodge and cloak when the roll dodge cost stack gets up there. On my Stamblade, I don't have to invest in mitigation at all because 1 ability stops anyone from targeting me, stops all current DoTs from damaging me, and guarantees that my Vigor HoT's and my next Rally are all crit heals. There is no need to invest in damage mitigation because shadowy disguise gives me all the mitigation I need. There are multiple obvious solutions to this:

1. Allow DoTs to continue to damage while in cloak. They're invisible, why should they also be invulnerable?
2. If you're going to continue to suppress DoTs, then also suppress HoT's.
3. Don't allow every heal to be a crit while in stealth. Is this just a coding issue that the dev team is too lazy to solve?

Any of those would be enormous balance changes that would force Stamblades to think about how to become tougher to kill. Right now all I need to do is alternate roll dodge and cloak until my absurdly cheap ultimate comes back and then I can cloak>surprise attack>incap>execute. And I'll get that back up again in less than 30 seconds.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Bosov wrote: »

Reported for hate speech and trying to stop me from voicing my opinion. This is Tamriel and not North Korea

Merely making a Suggestion, I´m not stopping you from doing anything since I do not have the power to do so.

J18696 · May 2019

usmcjdking wrote: »

Why is there so much focus and attention going onto a class that is not only 5 years old, but spent the last few years reigning supreme and/or competitive in PVE & PVP.

You've got entire specs that are borderline dead. You've got classes that ARE dead.

How is the stealthy invisible rogue tankier than the Paladin? Why does the Paladin have worse healing than the fire breathing Dragonknight.

?????????????????????

Whatever vision you have for classes is not in tune with consumer expectations are - not only that they aren't in tune with any expectations you've given us.

Not only that atlas but the brand new class they worked on you know the unfinished one feels like it's getting less attention in it's own patch than that 5 year old class

Azaduur · May 2019

Spizzie wrote: »

Azaduur wrote: »

Silence is strong I agree, but when I read things like "don't discuss counterplay" all I see is "dont make me work to stay alive, just remove what will make my life difficult so that i dont have to deal with it myself." It makes it really hard to take seriously, I doubt theyll keep the silence on incap, they responded really quick to the outrage, i dont know what theyll do, there is only going to be one more round of changes before Elsweyr goes live. Really I'm just glad they got rid of Minor Mangle. I'd have traded Minor Mangle for this new "Reave" feature any day of the week, didn't need to silence in place of stun though, guess we'll see how it goes.

Your inexperience on a Magicka character is blatant. There is no "working to stay alive" when you're silenced. Here are the options to stay alive when you're on a mag player and you're silenced:

1. Become unsilenced

That's it. There is literally no alternative. It'd be like telling a Stam character that in addition to having your heals and attacks unusable for 3 seconds, you also can't roll dodge or block. Funny enough, stamblades are probably the only class that -could- survive that because they can just cloak for the duration. The bias for stamblades in this game is absolutely gross, and I say that from the perspective of somebody who plays mag and stam iterations of every class.

Nightblades can cloak while silenced? I never knew...my magika experience is poor though as you have stated. Ill take your word for it and cloak while silenced from now on.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos · May 2019

Wolfahm wrote: »

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

I think incap should be a aoe too so i could silence everyone who is complaining about this change at the same time.
Why is negate the only aoe silence in the game anyway? Doesnt sound fair to me... aoe silence incap does sound fair to me.
Just an idea... but remember, if i dont get what i want i will cancel my eso+!

Cant you uninstall the game instead and never enter a discussion About Combat balance again?

Wolfahm wrote: »

you just described all other types of CC.
How about we just revert all the pointless nerfs to NB in the 1st place caused by the tears of the same people that are crying about silence right now?

Nope we didnt describe all other types of cc because you can break cc´s but not the silence, well Maybe YOU cant break cc but that doesnt Change cc being breakable.
Also nice to see that you dont even realize your class is getting big buffs (for PvP that is) if the changes go live as they are Right now. What was that that you said in this or another thread About magsorc mains not recognizing their PvP Status? Seems like you cant do so for your main class either.

You understand it takes time to CC break right? 1 roll dodge and you are in the clear .. if you main a magsorc and you are losing 1v1 to a NB you need to reevaluate your build.

not sure if serious

Bosov · May 2019

Minalan wrote: »

At least they saved me the trouble of buying their expansion.

Now I can unsubscribe too. Done!

Zenimax Online Studios is a great studio. You are not giving them any money by not buying the chapter and not giving them any money because you unsub BUT they will give you this change for free!

That is very nice of them.