Incapacitating Strike Silence 5.0.3

jaws343

Insco851 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’s too bad, have to see it on live to test it. At first I though 3 seconds was too long, but dizzy swing is 2 seconds of unbreakable cc at least because of the knock back animation, and it’s spammable, plus there’s a bug where stacking cc means you can’t break free.

It’ll definitely change Stamblades into a threat against experienced pvpers and forget about being a glass canon.

Yea until that goon squad of troll blades time all their incaps right after each other... it’s a quick GG for any mag toon.

They dont need to time it. Any group with a single stamblade will be instant death to a mag toon.

Well obviously- but dude thinks 3 seconds isn’t long... and let’s say it’s a face tank healer- 2 incaps on cooldown means it’s over as well.

For everyone saying that 3 seconds isn't long, remember when Rune Cage was nearly unbreakable and the forums were a mess of outrage over its "OPness?"

killingspreeb16_ESO

They could just add the sustain passive and leave the stun on incap and see how it play.

Anyways like they did change incap minor mangle they can change/revert the silence too so yeah.

Tryxus

Juhasow

I love how last time Gilliam said on live stream in context of grim focus further changes that they wont give any sustain oriented buffs there because nb do not have issues with sustain and now they give 100 stam+mag per weapon attack for slotting incap

As for the silence like seriously anyone expected something else from devs that dont understand the game they're making to the point they wanted to add cast time on shields ?

mcagatayg

ahahahaaaha
what?
ahahahahahha this cant be real

Elong

Are you guys on crack?

Insco851

It’s just a little silence guys... followed by just a little bag cuz you literally couldn’t do jack **** about it.

MirkoZ

GGWP ZOS

Blinkin8r

Leave the silence but add the stun and major defile back too. Also make it stun from 75 ult and it'll be a perfectly balanced skill .

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

Elong

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

Like not actually implementing it?

FlamingBeard

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

No "investigating" needed, just remove the Silence and all is well.

Mayrael

ZOS showed long ago they don't care about magicka classes in general. We are recieving nerf after nerf. Magicka sets sucks when compared to stamina ones. They have nerfed magicka ONLY (outside of being vampire) way to stay mobile to 2s. They gave stamblade FREE piercing mark allowing them to disable most important skill of their magicka counterpart completely for free. Now they are giving them OP incap. Healing ward got nerfed long time ago. Shade soon will be broken for over a year.

Nah... I'm done, even if they revert some changes I'm sick and tired of fighting every single patch for survival. Each patch they came up with some "brilliant" ideas making game only worse. Glad I didn't pre-ordered Elsweyr.

PS. No you can't have my stuff.

Wolfahm

s/s pet sorcs crying about counter play

Tommy_The_Gun

StShoot wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

I don't get it. Don't sorcs have a 12 sec ult that silences all enemies in it ? And deals damage ?

The only difference is you can't roll out of incap strike and it only affects one person. But also sorc ult affects multiple people and has a higher cost.

How often is incap strike front bared for the regen to be effective? Wouldn't dawnbreaker be more common on front.

Well but you can counter the sorc ult by dodging out or smart movement ( it is still realy strong agaisnt magica chars) you cant do that against incap, stamblade is also one of the classest with the highest burst in the game so yeah that will be fun

Well... you can dodge incap - it is single target. Also you are no longer stunned by it... so you can just run away... just like you can walk out of negate. Besides - it is only 3 seconds. That is a very small window really. Sometimes server lag is worse than that tbh.

Small note:
On my stamina characters I run some magicka skills for utility. You know, purge and stuff. Maybe ZOS wants magicka characters to run at least this one stamina skill ? Idk to be honest what they are up to.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

My god, sorcs did that again ! Remember the cast time on shields that ZOS proposed some updates ago ? And all mag characters (mostly sorcs since shields) cried so hard that it created an Ocean on Sahara Desert ? Well.... it seems that they did that again.

usmcjdking

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

It's on the wrong skill, more importantly it's on the wrong class if it's going to be anywhere in the game.

Trandaner

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Well....

lets honour this ultimate with 3 seconds of silence....

Jokes aside - 3 seconds is almost like nothing. You wont even notice that since, you will be able to move, roll dodge or cast stamina skills. Even if you will be stunned from stealth by this Ultimate, after immediately breaking free, you will have like 1 - 1,5 seconds of silence left. LAG sometimes is longer than that. Especially if you PvP on EU server...

Being objective here, this ultimate does imho too little to justify 120 ulti cost. Sure, you can cast it on lower ulti points but then it will do almost nothing. I can't see myself using that skill. In fact I dont since Summerset, because Dawnbreaker is much better option. And lets not forget - it is a single target only. Technically it should be compared more to Berserker Strike (Two-Handed ulti) rather than Dawnbreaker since this is also single target ulti.

Besides, since global cooldown is a thing, what a NB is supposed to do within those 3 seconds ? 1 light attack + skill ?


Imho will simply be a dead morph and pretty much every one, whenever stam or mag nb will run Soul Harvest (if they will run this ulti at all).

If you can only cast one light attack + Skill within 3 seconds you are doing something wrong and shouln't be allowed to take part in this discussion.
But thanks for your opinion, now go roleplay a little bit.

Wolfahm

Mayrael wrote: »

ZOS showed long ago they don't care about magicka classes in general. We are recieving nerf after nerf. Magicka sets sucks when compared to stamina ones. They have nerfed magicka ONLY (outside of being vampire) way to stay mobile to 2s. They gave stamblade FREE piercing mark allowing them to disable most important skill of their magicka counterpart completely for free. Now they are giving them OP incap. Healing ward got nerfed long time ago. Shade soon will be broken for over a year.

Nah... I'm done, even if they revert some changes I'm sick and tired of fighting every single patch for survival. Each patch they came up with some "brilliant" ideas making game only worse. Glad I didn't pre-ordered Elsweyr.

PS. No you can't have my stuff.

Playing a magsorc and crying about survival/being under powered in 2019. LOL

HankTwo

I don't get why ZOS doesn't discuss such game changing ideas with the class reps before proposing them in the patch notes. I'm 100% confident that the reps would have advised against this change. Judging by @Masel 's reaction, they didn't know about this at all. I had hope because of the staff changes in the combat design team, but this rate ZOS will just lose more and more trust from the community - again - because they propose crazy changes like this…

StShoot

Can you please bring back wrobel ? he seemed to be the only one who kept those devs at zos in check and REDUCED the bad ideas of the devs,

I was allways disgusted that sorcerers negation only hurts magica players, but this is even worse. @ZOS There is allready a big power gap between magica and stamina users in the game that will make it worse.

My opinion: Zos only announced that crap to distract from the other *** that goes live with elsweyr, so ppl cry about the sillence on incap and forget about everything else

Ariades_swe

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

Make it breakable.

TequilaFire

Hello darkness, my old friend...
Within the sound of silence

Druid40

Roll dodge? Hold block? Drink a potion?

UlfricWinterfell

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

CSI: ESO
Balance Scene Investigation

Miswar

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

The only "counterplay" is to remove this ridicilious change to begin with and also remove the person that had this fine idea from contributing to any nb changes whatsoever.

This is utterly broken and it is a joke that this is even considered to begin with!

Juhasow

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

So first devs are making some change and implementing it to the PTS and after that investigating counterplay for it ? I am no dev but shouldn't that procces work inversely ?

Sanguinor2

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

Really just get rid of the silence, it existing in the first place is already very concerning, About as concerning as no one who was involved with changing incap either speaking up About the consequences or not even noticing them.
You dont Need to make counterplay Options for the silence on incap, you Need to actually make incap stop being as overloaded as it is in every Iteration said ultimate has seen. It already is a very potent single target ultimate with a high burst that also increases further Damage by 20%.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

ssewallb14_ESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Heyo Gang!

We have been reading your feedback about the changes to Incapacitating Strike and are investigating counter-play options for the Silence that's been added to this ability.

Can... we just revert the change? Removing the defile was fine, maybe that + keep the sustain change.

Adding counterplay will not address the harm this does to the balance between magicka and stamina in PvP. In the context of world PvP group fights this will make it far harder to avoid focus from multiple players as a magicka toon, and will tilt group comp towards stamina more than it already is currently.

Commancho

Finally this ridiculus ultimate gets rebalanced.
Ps. I'm still waiting for buffing counter-cloak abilities.

robpr

That could be fine with 200 ult, not freaking 120 and NB's ult gen. Sorcs have a small bubble that you can easily dodge out and it costs twice as much. And Sorcs dont generate ultimate faster.