You dont get the point. I was dueling the same guy but hes not the only one with this kind of build. Besides the all day top duelers I win 90% of all fights and if I lose I still get them low hp. On top of that I can 1vx up 5 decent gamers. Even if he had impreg on with 4k weap dmg (thats without enchant) and 80% crit dmg 1 to 2 surprise att. should take that shield off easy in a normal scenario.My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me.
So ... you dueled an Impregnable MagSorc with a crit build ?Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
So ... you died to a MagSorc first or second burst while having near maxed resists .... on a StamDK ? I have bad news for you ...
For the dk it has 3.9k weap dmg with 1.5k recovery. When you keep being snared and rooted forward momentum wont help you because by the tike you get close the guy will streak and start his crappy rotation over. But anywyas the point im making is that it is possible for mag sorc probably all shield users to be this tanky but still have a ton of dmage and moveability.
There where other very good duelers on all kind of classes that got wasted by that dude with barly touching his hp.
You dont see this too often yet but you see more and more ppl figuring this build out as you keep running into them. Just wait and see. You probs gotta leave your zerg for abit tho to really experience this...
Besides the fact that its nearly impossible to die to a sorc as a DK tank, dont you think that is a little hypocritical to complain about other people being tanky and doing dmg when you literally admit in the same post that you are playing a freaking tank with hardcapped resistances while having 4k wpn dmg and 1.5 regen?
Olupajmibanan wrote: »Didn't Alcast post a build like that a while ago? Yet, you still not encounter many of these.
A tutorial on how to beat pet sorc on duel, no matter how much resist, health and magicka he has.
1. Die to a petsorc (based on your post, you've already mastered this point)
2. Equip Shield Breaker
3. Return to that pet sorc for vengeance.
4. Some will quickly realise that you are wearing Shield Breaker and Streak to safety (they won't bother you anymore). The slower ones will die.
Any-***-thing else you'd like to add to the magsorc nerf list while we're at it? Bring it! You keep nerfing sorcs, and we keep getting better. LMFAO. No one gets better from having it easy, son <---- @Dr.NRG
Actually you are wrong. Every time zos is trying to nerf sorcs they cry out and btch so much that they end up getting buffed in the end. The only real nerf sorcs got was the removal of the stun from frags and the long need dix to rune prison.
I wondered when we’d see a nerf Sorc thread again. You guys just never stop so you?
What build?That dudes build had no counter tho he shredded a ton of very good duelers without breaking a sweat.
Tell me if Im wrong but I think the Streak inceases by 50% everytime and the Roll doge by 33%. If thats true then I did mean roll doge treatment as 50% would be too harsch
I guess I was wrong... OP kept going! Even more stubborn than I could have ever anticipated! So funny how OP ignored me so hard. Way to go op, you're the joke of the day, I guess.
Sucks to be you, I guess.
I guess I was wrong... OP kept going! Even more stubborn than I could have ever anticipated! So funny how OP ignored me so hard. Way to go op, you're the joke of the day, I guess.
Sucks to be you, I guess.
Lmao if you have nothing constructive to say why dont you stay out of this thread? Sucks to be me? No sucks to be you cause apparently you are very single minded and have nothing better to do then attacking people. I guess you only play mag sorc and dont know how to play without running cheese and are afraid your build gets nerfed... This is a real issue just wait and see till people pick this up and cyrodiil will be hell again as we had it with tremor viper builds. I dare you to try one of these set ups (especially pelinals fury) and see how broken it is then come back and btch again!
You dont get the point. I was dueling the same guy but hes not the only one with this kind of build. Besides the all day top duelers I win 90% of all fights and if I lose I still get them low hp. On top of that I can 1vx up 5 decent gamers. Even if he had impreg on with 4k weap dmg (thats without enchant) and 80% crit dmg 1 to 2 surprise att. should take that shield off easy in a normal scenario.My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me.
So ... you dueled an Impregnable MagSorc with a crit build ?Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
So ... you died to a MagSorc first or second burst while having near maxed resists .... on a StamDK ? I have bad news for you ...
For the dk it has 3.9k weap dmg with 1.5k recovery. When you keep being snared and rooted forward momentum wont help you because by the tike you get close the guy will streak and start his crappy rotation over. But anywyas the point im making is that it is possible for mag sorc probably all shield users to be this tanky but still have a ton of dmage and moveability.
There where other very good duelers on all kind of classes that got wasted by that dude with barly touching his hp.
You dont see this too often yet but you see more and more ppl figuring this build out as you keep running into them. Just wait and see. You probs gotta leave your zerg for abit tho to really experience this...
And with that stubborn, shortsighted behavior if yours, it'll get worse. Everyone will run this after live. When there's no more turning back.
Thick skulled PvPers are the worst. Geez. Failing to see the obvious... We don't want to copy that, we want that fixed, assuming, again, you're not just a whiny loser. Which you probably are judging by how resistant you are to helping us help you.
Any-***-thing else you'd like to add to the magsorc nerf list while we're at it? Bring it! You keep nerfing sorcs, and we keep getting better. LMFAO. No one gets better from having it easy, son <---- @Dr.NRG
Actually you are wrong. Every time zos is trying to nerf sorcs they cry out and btch so much that they end up getting buffed in the end. The only real nerf sorcs got was the removal of the stun from frags and the long need dix to rune prison.
Shields were made critable, so sorcs invest in Impen instead of stats and damage like before - like everyone else.
Shields we're capped, so you no longer run into high shield sorcs, and sorcs have to invest in health and armor to stay alive - like everyone else.
Sorc shields have armor, but are now vulnerable to armor pen, major breach, and major fracture, where they ignored that before. Now they're like every other class.
Crystal frags was 'buffed' but the travel time was nerfed so badly it's really your own fault if you don't block or dodge it.
Overall sorcs are more balanced with other classes, having to take more care on their builds and use actual skill. You have no facts to back up your claims, you got outplayed is all.
You dont get the point. I was dueling the same guy but hes not the only one with this kind of build. Besides the all day top duelers I win 90% of all fights and if I lose I still get them low hp. On top of that I can 1vx up 5 decent gamers. Even if he had impreg on with 4k weap dmg (thats without enchant) and 80% crit dmg 1 to 2 surprise att. should take that shield off easy in a normal scenario.My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me.
So ... you dueled an Impregnable MagSorc with a crit build ?Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
So ... you died to a MagSorc first or second burst while having near maxed resists .... on a StamDK ? I have bad news for you ...
For the dk it has 3.9k weap dmg with 1.5k recovery. When you keep being snared and rooted forward momentum wont help you because by the tike you get close the guy will streak and start his crappy rotation over. But anywyas the point im making is that it is possible for mag sorc probably all shield users to be this tanky but still have a ton of dmage and moveability.
There where other very good duelers on all kind of classes that got wasted by that dude with barly touching his hp.
You dont see this too often yet but you see more and more ppl figuring this build out as you keep running into them. Just wait and see. You probs gotta leave your zerg for abit tho to really experience this...
And with that stubborn, shortsighted behavior if yours, it'll get worse. Everyone will run this after live. When there's no more turning back.
Thick skulled PvPers are the worst. Geez. Failing to see the obvious... We don't want to copy that, we want that fixed, assuming, again, you're not just a whiny loser. Which you probably are judging by how resistant you are to helping us help you.
Here is one of your other constructive comments... people like you all they achieve is giving ZOS more work having to remove your comments and banning ppl.
Any-***-thing else you'd like to add to the magsorc nerf list while we're at it? Bring it! You keep nerfing sorcs, and we keep getting better. LMFAO. No one gets better from having it easy, son <---- @Dr.NRG
Actually you are wrong. Every time zos is trying to nerf sorcs they cry out and btch so much that they end up getting buffed in the end. The only real nerf sorcs got was the removal of the stun from frags and the long need dix to rune prison.
Shields were made critable, so sorcs invest in Impen instead of stats and damage like before - like everyone else.
Shields we're capped, so you no longer run into high shield sorcs, and sorcs have to invest in health and armor to stay alive - like everyone else.
Sorc shields have armor, but are now vulnerable to armor pen, major breach, and major fracture, where they ignored that before. Now they're like every other class.
Crystal frags was 'buffed' but the travel time was nerfed so badly it's really your own fault if you don't block or dodge it.
Overall sorcs are more balanced with other classes, having to take more care on their builds and use actual skill. You have no facts to back up your claims, you got outplayed is all.
1, no they brought mag more in line with Stam without giving them any of the benefits like higher spell damage and increased ability to rolldodging and cc break
2 they made sorcs invested into health, mag and STAM. where as all Stam builds only have to invest in Stam and health. They also had sorc invest in armor while being limited to only light because of the lack of good heavy armor mag sets. While Stam has gear heavy dps sets.
3 shields are vulnerable to pen. Again in light with 5k less weapon resistance than even medium
So zos is trying to make light mag like Stam without and of the benefits or infrastructure to benefit them
You dont get the point. I was dueling the same guy but hes not the only one with this kind of build. Besides the all day top duelers I win 90% of all fights and if I lose I still get them low hp. On top of that I can 1vx up 5 decent gamers. Even if he had impreg on with 4k weap dmg (thats without enchant) and 80% crit dmg 1 to 2 surprise att. should take that shield off easy in a normal scenario.My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me.
So ... you dueled an Impregnable MagSorc with a crit build ?Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
So ... you died to a MagSorc first or second burst while having near maxed resists .... on a StamDK ? I have bad news for you ...
For the dk it has 3.9k weap dmg with 1.5k recovery. When you keep being snared and rooted forward momentum wont help you because by the tike you get close the guy will streak and start his crappy rotation over. But anywyas the point im making is that it is possible for mag sorc probably all shield users to be this tanky but still have a ton of dmage and moveability.
There where other very good duelers on all kind of classes that got wasted by that dude with barly touching his hp.
You dont see this too often yet but you see more and more ppl figuring this build out as you keep running into them. Just wait and see. You probs gotta leave your zerg for abit tho to really experience this...
And with that stubborn, shortsighted behavior if yours, it'll get worse. Everyone will run this after live. When there's no more turning back.
Thick skulled PvPers are the worst. Geez. Failing to see the obvious... We don't want to copy that, we want that fixed, assuming, again, you're not just a whiny loser. Which you probably are judging by how resistant you are to helping us help you.
Here is one of your other constructive comments... people like you all they achieve is giving ZOS more work having to remove your comments and banning ppl.
You're just upset because we called you out on your lack of solid info. Just don't be shady when you want something fixed. No way anyone can fix what they don't know it's broken. I hope you can understand that very simple premise of this whoooole thing. I'm not the only one baffled with your stubbornness, and I'm not the only one willing to enforce your request, so long as you disclose what build that was.
Or do you plan on using it yourself? Because if you do, and you think it's a broken build that's borderline exploitation...
Again, for the millionth time, help us help you. Once we know what's the problem, we can all get out voices together. You just seem 100% afraid to be called on your B's or maybe on your lack of skills. This should not matter, if you actually believe your own words saying g this build is broken. Ethics suggest you tell us all what it is, here in a public forum, open to all eyes. That way, we can still have hopes of a fix.
Keep that in mind... If you want it fixed, help us help you. If I didn't care about this, I wouldn't be saying this again and again and again to you a bazillion times today.
Have a great day, I'm done with you unless you open your eyes.
Murador178 wrote: »If the sorc is using twillight its pretty normal to get rolled over. But if sorc isnt using a pet, its a tank hitting like a wet noodle.
@ZonasArch
Just fyi, there are already yt videos of xing and builds runing this on mag dk. Its just barly moving to sorcs where it becomes even more broken as they have the range and movement
Plus sorcs and dks dont have to equip 2h to make this work effectivly. As they have major brut in their tool kit
Any-***-thing else you'd like to add to the magsorc nerf list while we're at it? Bring it! You keep nerfing sorcs, and we keep getting better. LMFAO. No one gets better from having it easy, son <---- @Dr.NRG
Actually you are wrong. Every time zos is trying to nerf sorcs they cry out and btch so much that they end up getting buffed in the end. The only real nerf sorcs got was the removal of the stun from frags and the long need dix to rune prison.
Shields were made critable, so sorcs invest in Impen instead of stats and damage like before - like everyone else.
Shields we're capped, so you no longer run into high shield sorcs, and sorcs have to invest in health and armor to stay alive - like everyone else.
Sorc shields have armor, but are now vulnerable to armor pen, major breach, and major fracture, where they ignored that before. Now they're like every other class.
Crystal frags was 'buffed' but the travel time was nerfed so badly it's really your own fault if you don't block or dodge it.
Overall sorcs are more balanced with other classes, having to take more care on their builds and use actual skill. You have no facts to back up your claims, you got outplayed is all.
1, no they brought mag more in line with Stam without giving them any of the benefits like higher spell damage and increased ability to rolldodging and cc break
2 they made sorcs invested into health, mag and STAM. where as all Stam builds only have to invest in Stam and health. They also had sorc invest in armor while being limited to only light because of the lack of good heavy armor mag sets. While Stam has gear heavy dps sets.
3 shields are vulnerable to pen. Again in light with 5k less weapon resistance than even medium
So zos is trying to make light mag like Stam without and of the benefits or infrastructure to benefit them
I would argue tho that magicka has more access to better sets that stam does, especially when it comes to buffs and debuffs. Also, if you are good enough sustaining you can run stam dps sets to get really high spell dmg numbers by paring them with pelinals. Pelinals is a very underated and op set for mag classes if you can build your sustain around it they make some of the hardest hitting and tankiest builds in the game. Stam cannot do that. Also keep in mind weap dmg does not equal spell dmg you usually need a lot less spell dmg than weap dmg respectively. Thats why builds using pelinals are so op cause they allow you depending on how you build to get 4-7k spell dmg.
Murador178 wrote: »If the sorc is using twillight its pretty normal to get rolled over. But if sorc isnt using a pet, its a tank hitting like a wet noodle.
Not if s/he has 4-7k spell dmg.
For those who dont know what pelinals does, it makes your spell and weap dmg the same. Now that is easy to get a ton of weap dmg though jewelry enchants + traits or by running sets like fury, it is also easy to gain extremely high spell dmg numbers but giving up some magicka sustain. Thats not a bug deal though cause sustain is quite easy, especially when your shields have a ton of resistances so you dont have to spam them.
Murador178 wrote: »If the sorc is using twillight its pretty normal to get rolled over. But if sorc isnt using a pet, its a tank hitting like a wet noodle.
Not if s/he has 4-7k spell dmg.
For those who dont know what pelinals does, it makes your spell and weap dmg the same. Now that is easy to get a ton of weap dmg though jewelry enchants + traits or by running sets like fury, it is also easy to gain extremely high spell dmg numbers but giving up some magicka sustain. Thats not a bug deal though cause sustain is quite easy, especially when your shields have a ton of resistances so you dont have to spam them.
NOONE IS USING PELINALS...
Yeah thats 1 way to do it. Another way is with fortified, will power and wizards back back. Or running other major protection paired with sets like blood spawn. There are many ways to get this result both with light or heavy armor.brandonv516 wrote: »I had a hard time beliving this my self at first until it was shown to me. ZOS actually buffed harden ward to a point that you can make the tankiest dps builds ever on this. Yes you cannot really shield stack anymore but the shield you are getting now is extremely tough to break if your toon is build correctly. I duelled one of these build and couldn’t believe it; My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me. Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
I might be not the best pvp but I consider myself pretty good as I can effectively 1vx and win most duells. That guy however was a low rank casuall pvper just running a broken build. He coulnd even animation cancel correctly. So why is this possible? It shouldnt be....
I really dont mind if shields are op but it should not be so easy to recast. After last patch you now have 3 types of mag sorcs, the ones that cant handle the last patch and who now die instantly, pets sorcs who are a whole other issue besides the facts named, and then these unkillable dps sorcs that hit like a truck. It is just a matter of time for them other sorcs to figure this build out. Also they will get even more buffs this coming patch due to race and cp changes.
I would suggest to make them a lot more costly and/ or increase costs on recasts.
Armor master + Necro + Chudan + willpower destro (or master destro), 2 protective + 1 arcane jewelry
Gets you 30k resists in light armor and a really nice shield that you can stack with Harness Magicka.
Very tough to kill and still lethal!
@codestripper
@ZonasArch
Just fyi, there are already yt videos of xing and builds runing this on mag dk. Its just barly moving to sorcs where it becomes even more broken as they have the range and movement
Plus sorcs and dks dont have to equip 2h to make this work effectivly. As they have major brut in their tool kit
If you post these videos here, it will change the narrative from "l2p" to "oh yeah, this sucks, let's change it". Totally up to you.
Btw, I don't play sorc at all.
Edited, I missed an entire reply you gave to me.
If you don't know what the build is, exactly, it's worth it to bring it up in a new thread, in a more theory craft approach, see what is breaking it and get the devs attention there. If you're that bother by it, could be worth a shot.
Murador178 wrote: »If the sorc is using twillight its pretty normal to get rolled over. But if sorc isnt using a pet, its a tank hitting like a wet noodle.
Not if s/he has 4-7k spell dmg.
For those who dont know what pelinals does, it makes your spell and weap dmg the same. Now that is easy to get a ton of weap dmg though jewelry enchants + traits or by running sets like fury, it is also easy to gain extremely high spell dmg numbers but giving up some magicka sustain. Thats not a bug deal though cause sustain is quite easy, especially when your shields have a ton of resistances so you dont have to spam them.
You dont get the point. I was dueling the same guy but hes not the only one with this kind of build. Besides the all day top duelers I win 90% of all fights and if I lose I still get them low hp. On top of that I can 1vx up 5 decent gamers. Even if he had impreg on with 4k weap dmg (thats without enchant) and 80% crit dmg 1 to 2 surprise att. should take that shield off easy in a normal scenario.My NB 4k weap dmg with 10k pen 56% crit chance and 80% crit dmg could not touch this guys health and he had no problem killing me.
So ... you dueled an Impregnable MagSorc with a crit build ?Tehn to test I brought a damage dk tank with 30k resistance accross the board and still it took the guy under 10 seconds to kill me.
So ... you died to a MagSorc first or second burst while having near maxed resists .... on a StamDK ? I have bad news for you ...
For the dk it has 3.9k weap dmg with 1.5k recovery. When you keep being snared and rooted forward momentum wont help you because by the tike you get close the guy will streak and start his crappy rotation over. But anywyas the point im making is that it is possible for mag sorc probably all shield users to be this tanky but still have a ton of dmage and moveability.
There where other very good duelers on all kind of classes that got wasted by that dude with barly touching his hp.
You dont see this too often yet but you see more and more ppl figuring this build out as you keep running into them. Just wait and see. You probs gotta leave your zerg for abit tho to really experience this...
And with that stubborn, shortsighted behavior if yours, it'll get worse. Everyone will run this after live. When there's no more turning back.
Thick skulled PvPers are the worst. Geez. Failing to see the obvious... We don't want to copy that, we want that fixed, assuming, again, you're not just a whiny loser. Which you probably are judging by how resistant you are to helping us help you.
Here is one of your other constructive comments... people like you all they achieve is giving ZOS more work having to remove your comments and banning ppl.
You're just upset because we called you out on your lack of solid info. Just don't be shady when you want something fixed. No way anyone can fix what they don't know it's broken. I hope you can understand that very simple premise of this whoooole thing. I'm not the only one baffled with your stubbornness, and I'm not the only one willing to enforce your request, so long as you disclose what build that was.
Or do you plan on using it yourself? Because if you do, and you think it's a broken build that's borderline exploitation...
Again, for the millionth time, help us help you. Once we know what's the problem, we can all get out voices together. You just seem 100% afraid to be called on your B's or maybe on your lack of skills. This should not matter, if you actually believe your own words saying g this build is broken. Ethics suggest you tell us all what it is, here in a public forum, open to all eyes. That way, we can still have hopes of a fix.
Keep that in mind... If you want it fixed, help us help you. If I didn't care about this, I wouldn't be saying this again and again and again to you a bazillion times today.
Have a great day, I'm done with you unless you open your eyes.
As I said I dont know what exactly he was running but he is not the only one and this is not just one build. Again one of the worst is Pelinals fury and that armor master build that was mentioned earlier.I am pretty sure thats what he was running cause he must have had 5-6k spell/weap dmg or how would he be able hit 10k plus frags on capped resistances?
There are many ways to do it, it then depends on you how you do it given if you want more dmg, sustain or tankyness.
The pelinals set up will give you most of that already then you can pare it with blood spawn, sustain or dmg moster sets. The guy I was fighting new how to sustain well so i guess he went full weapon dmg and resistances.
Wow a nerf sorc thread, goodness me, scraping the barrel now.
2018 bar a small spell with runecage sorc took nerf after nerf. That's enough now.
We warned everyone about wards critting. I sure as heck did, before i had no impen, wards down a pop dead. People wanted to make them bland and crit so they did. Now i run impen, now I'm more stable and harder to kill with wards down but i lose damage or sustain.
The crys of nerfsorc have made things very bland for sorc and yet... Still they come crickey.
I've not read the whole thread, mainly as at this point I'm taking nerfsorc thread to be a joke. Ut Whats your suggest OP? Revert wards? So we can move away from impen again and back how we were? Bring it on.