Upcoming Racial Balance Changes for Update 21

Deathlord92 · January 2019

I said it thousand times already but I’m hyped so I’m say it Breton for life I’m happy with these changes to my favourite race 🙂

Carbonised · January 2019

dragonknightblade wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Considering that I have 5 Dunmer mag classes

What? Why? Huh?

Cause Dunmer was a perfectly reasonable choice for all mag specs for all classes? Not BiS for anything other than magdk, but certainly not a bad choice either.

Roboplus · January 2019

After having slept on it and reread everything:

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

High Elf
Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.

This is going to make for some really annoying rotations, especially for Stam characters that may not have a reason to use a class skill every 6 seconds (or even every 12 seconds).

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Argonian
Resourceful: Increases your Max Magicka by 1000. Restore 3600 Health, Magicka, and Stamina when you drink a potion.

Argonian Resistance: Increases your Max Health by 1000 and your Disease Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Diseased status effect.

Quick to Mend: Life Mender: Increases your Healing Done by 4%.

If you felt they had too much, I don't understand why you didn't just drop the Max Magicka instead of nerfing everything else so much. Between Nightblades losing Minor Vitality and this, my NBTank has lost over 10% of their self-healing. And 1000 of each resource from potions. And the Poisoned status immunity.

If it needs to be said, I really don't care about the slightly buffed Disease Resistance.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Wood Elf
Hunter’s Eye: Increases your Stealth detection radius by 3m. After you use Roll Dodge you gain 20% Movement Speed for 3 seconds.

If that speed buff stacks with all other Movement Speed buffs then that's pretty nice. The increased Stealth detection has a lot less applications than reduced detection radius, though. You can stealth past NPCs, you're not going to detect invisible ones. The Stam values are strong, so I don't think Bosmer need a huge buff. But I feel if any race got the short end of the stick for their "special" racial, it's them.

Maybe add a "When you kill an enemy" effect? Burst of Health? 4-5 second Minor Evasion?

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Breton

Slight reduction to Spell Resistance for major buffs everywhere else is very nice. Gonna be honest though, after reading though all of the other races, kinda boring.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Dark Elf
Dynamic: Increases your Max Stamina and Magicka by 1250.

Resist Flame: Increases your Max Health by 600 and your Flame Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Burning status effect.

Destructive Ancestry: Ruination: Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258.

Remember the 5 piece set of Pelinal's Aptitude? Your Spell and Weapon Damage both become the highest of the two values. Instead of trying to balance their Stam and Mag playstyles, why not give them that so they can potentially use both? That would, and I'm quoting you here, "enhance the unique feeling and gameplay pattern". Having hybrid passives, specifically like this, ironically make them the worst hybrid race.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Imperial

It's not that its bad. But like Breton it's not especially interesting.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Khajiit
Robustness: Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka recovery by 75.

Mag/Stam Recovery is a value that anyone can use. This is a better thing to split then Max resources or S/W damage. Could probably drop the inconsequential Health Recovery and redistribute those points elsweyr, though.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.

You... what? That's insane! That's more than any race can get via set bonuses! Now that is a different playstyle!

However, since it does nothing in Dungeons or Trials, I wonder if you couldn't give Khajiit something else to specifically help them out there. Like a form of Minor Slayer or Aegis, but stackable with the actual buff.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Nord
Stalwart: Increases your Max Stamina by 1500. When you take damage, you gain 5 Ultimate. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

Beep beep! New meta-tank coming through!

Seriously, this is amazing and totally something you can deliberately build to take advantage of.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Orc
Brawny: Increases your Max Health and Stamina by 500.

Unflinching: Increases your Healing Received by 4%. When you deal damage with a weapon ability you restore 380 Health and Stamina. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

Swift Warrior: Increases your Weapon Damage by 258. Reduces the cost of your Sprint ability by 12% and increases your Movement Speed while Sprinting by 10%.

See, unlike Altmer's Spell Recharge, Unflinching would be a lot easier for both Mag and Stam builds to take advantage of because they both always use weapon abilities. Unflinching doesn't provide any Mag, but it's the method of acquisition that matters.

Swift Warrior has always been strong, and now it's stronger. Not much else to say.

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Redguard

Like Breton and Imperial, it's all good stuff. Just kind of underwhelming from a gameplay standpoint. Unless...

Does that Weapon Cost reduction include Ultimates? I don't think we've ever seen this particular terminology before. Weapon passives always say "Reduces the Stamina/Magicka cost of". The wording here seems deliberately different.

regime211 · January 2019

The changed to Dunmer are trash, please go back and reevaluate the decisons you guys made.

KuroDark · January 2019

susmitds wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Let me give you a statement on why I see these changes as an overall improvement. First, let me clear a few things up that people do not seem to understand when they look at these changes:

1. Flat stats are a buff, NOT a nerf. These get amplified by all % buffs you have and will translate to at least the same stat density as before, in many instances even more. In no CP content and instances where you have warhorn available, this is a significant buff especially.
2. On magicka races, sure you can say that altmer is the best race when it comes to the pure dps output while neglecting any sustain component. However, that's neglecting additional factors that come in. Khajiit has spell crit, magicka recovery that effectively translates into roughly the same sustain that altmer gets, they have max magicka AND 8% spell critical, which will benefit more from additional critical damage you have in group content and will be especially effective on templars and nightblades. Factoring in sustain, bretons are incredibly strong in that regard, so much so that they are a valid choice for any class that struggles with sustain and also allows using BLUE food in most instances, plus giving resistance and a flat recovery that always ticks. Also people seem to neglect the additional health that khajiit gets, which is very valuable in many instances. Dunmer is the most versatile race now since it can do both specs and also gets health. If you wanted to min/max 100% dunmer is not the ideal choice for dps (again neglecting the aspects from above), but the difference is ~1k magicka and 60-70 magicka per second. The altmer sustain component also only functions when you actually cast a class ability, whereas breton and khajiit have a passive that always ticks.
3. Stamina races are very very close to each other, especially in actual fights. People seem to think redguard is still the ultimate best, but this is not the case. Bosmer, orc, khajiit, dunmer are all viable. Redguard requires you to deal DIRECT damage now to benefit from the adrenaline rush, which is a significant reduction in effectiveness from what we had before, since it will not proc on DoT-abilities. The weapon cost reduction also requires you to cast abilities to be effective. Bosmer is 100% on par with redguard sustainwise. 258 recovery that ticks all the time is a lot and will net you a higher gain than the passives redguards have in many instances in PvE and PvE. Orc has higher damage compared to these two, but a bit less sustain. Khajiit is still a very viable choice and the sustain is basically unchanged from what they had before. I'm not 100% satisifed on the imperial side because they don't really have anything that benefits their role as a DD in pve, but for tanking they definetely became better.

In order to prove some of this, i made an excel sheet where i implemented these into a standard build for stamina and magicka DDs in PvE. Magicka build was (as far as i remember) Zaan, Siroria and Sorrow/Spell Strategist, while the stamina version uses Relequen+Advancing Yokeda+Velidreth.
Formula is the same as above.

Here's the comparison of effective spell power and weapon power:

Here, altmer comes out as the clear winner, and for stamina, dunmer puts out the highest damage. This does not yet factor in sustain components. In order to do so, I introduced a ranking system that basically just ranks races based on damage and sustain with equal weights. The weights can ofc be adjusted, so if sustain is more important to you, the ranks will change accordingly.

With equal weights, altmer still comes out on top, but not by much. Shifting the weights towards sustain more and more makes breton the best choice.

Shifting the weights to 30% sustain and 70% damage yields the following:

And the other way around:

It all depends on what you need, and the gaps are not as cear and big as many make them seem.

KuroDark wrote: »

Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: Increases your Spell Damage by 258.

I think making Spell Recharge restore higher resource also doesn't make sense. Because who would like to play a stamina Altmer if all the other bonuses are for magic.

I like changes to Khajit since there are mages and warrior cat-folk and it can finally be played this way. But there are NORD MAGES, ALTMER DUDES WITH SWORDS IN HEAVY ARMOUR, ORC SHAMANS... Someone was mentioning morphs for racial passives, I think that's a really interesting and good Idea. So why not make it possible for players for ALL RACES?

Don't know what to do with my Dunmer nightblade now... I wanted my char to be strong in magicka like for instance Telvanni mages/Divayth Fyr, but now Dunmer are not as good magic dps as Altmer... I like playing magblade, but now there are way better options. But If I wanted to go stamblade, then again, there are also better options. Since there are mages and warrions of all races, that would make sense. You say you want to follow the lore too, but Imperials are left without magic passives at all. Dunmer are also known as good mages, but you nerf their magicka.

Dunmer is the top PvE stamina DPS. Check one of the other threads. There are mathematical breakdowns.

Yeah that's cool. But now I am forced to change my magblade into stamina, which I don't want.

cambergang · January 2019

Wow so instead of dark elf and over all 9% max you basic gave them 6% and then made them do the same amount of spell damage as high elf when dark elf should have More becuase they do 7% flame damage. good job zos you can destroy *** even more great balancing so you can send me my free race change token in the mail, or I’ll mail you a summons paper

method__01 · January 2019

too bad there isnt a "dislike" option for posts

Devoter · January 2019

RIP Dunmer

Twohothardware · January 2019

On the Stamina side the Redguard changes definitely need to be looked at again.

The meta for builds in both PvE and PvP is running high damage and a lower Recovery stat. Redguard has been the #1 choice by far for PvE Stamina builds for forever now because of the strong passive sustain from Adrenaline that doesn't require you to have any Recovery stat at all to benefit. That allows you to stack more damage for higher DPS and requires fewer heavy attacks in your rotation to sustain.

And your fix for this is to now change Redguards 9% Recovery bonus to 8% cost reduction which further ignores any need for a Recovery stat and then buff Adrenaline on top of it?

With those changes Redguard will continue to be the only logical choice for Stamina PvE builds and will likely be the new Argonian in PvP.

Oxalias · January 2019

I have more than 1 character that needs a race change :'C

DracoUchiha · January 2019

I do not like that you guys have completely gone past the lore that Black Marsh, for Lore reasons have poisons, and Argonians are Resistant to both Poisons and Diseases. Argonians ingest poisons that kill other races. I do not like this. The other races I am okay with, but the idea of having to take off Poison Resistance makes me upset. Please revert Argonian Passive Argonian Resistance.

joseayalac · January 2019

absolutely LOVE this changes, everything seems very nice, flexible and balanced, except maybe for the bosmer speed, which I think will be too much in PvP.

Schattenfluegel · January 2019

Overall good Changes...

Darkmage1337 · January 2019

max_only wrote: »

Wood Elf
Increases experience gain in Bow Skill Line by 15%, decreases fall damage taken by 10% → No changes
Y’ffre’s Endurance: 21% Stamina Recovery → Increases your Stamina Recovery by 258.
Resist Affliction: 6% Max Stamina and 1485 Poison and Disease Resistance → Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and your Poison Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Poisoned status effect.
Stealthy: Reduces detection Radius by 3m and Increases Damage Done in Stealth by 10% → Hunter’s Eye: Increases your Stealth detection radius by 3m. After you use Roll Dodge you gain 20% Movement Speed for 3 seconds.

A quick note on why we changed the Stealthy passive: Previously this passive was shared between Khajiit and Wood Elf, and didn’t help them feel distinct enough from each other. Additionally, since Sneaking isn’t a universal mechanic to the game (many enemies in Tamriel can’t be bothered sneaking about!), we wanted to take away some of the focus from the passive and build that into their other passives instead. We still want to support that game mechanic however, so we kept parts of each the Wood Elf’s and the Khajiit’s version of these passives.

Developer Comment:
The thick forests of Valenwood have imprinted the importance of the ability to hunt in the Wood Elf race, and as such they have a natural adeptness for detecting potential threats. Quick to react and well versed in the poisons of nature, they can outlast and outwit their opponents. These traits are demonstrated with their natural speed boost when tactfully engaging combat, and their unparalleled Stamina Recovery.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21/p1

Look at your logic that I bolded. Enemies can’t be bothered to sneak about.

Then look at the change you made. Increases your Stealth detection radius by 3m

So enemies can’t be bothered to sneak yet Bosmer can detect sneaking better. Your own explanation invalidates your own logic.

Rethink this please.

Plus, on top of all that, the Bow weapon skill-line passive ability, Hasty Retreat, "Grants you Major Expedition for 4 seconds after you use Roll Dodge. Major Expedition increases your Movement Speed by 30%."
I am assuming that this Hasty Retreat stacks with the new Wood Elf "20% Movement Speed for 3 seconds from roll dodging," passive via @ZOS_Gilliam's new 'Stealthy' passive? Or, will they overwrite each other and take the higher of the two values?

@ZOS_Gilliam The 10% extra bonus damage from attacking from stealth should be returned, as well. One can only attack from stealth once, as an opener to start the fight engagement, so why completely remove this unique/flavor effect from Wood Elves' passives, yet buff Red Guards' unique Adrenaline passive?

@ZOS_Gilliam Enemy NPCs do not stealth. Why are you removing a good, balanced passive (10% bonus damage from attacking via stealth, which only happens once per fight/encounter) and replacing it with a completely useless passive (increase stealth detection ---> yet Enemy NPCs do not stealth). And, enemy players in PvP on PC use Miat's PvP add-on, which tells them when a nearby player is in stealth or goes into stealth. So, what's the point of this useless passive? Take it away! Go back to the drawing board. And/or please return the 10% damage bonus from attacking via stealth.

Please and thank you.

JobooAGS · January 2019

Twohothardware wrote: »

On the Stamina side the Redguard changes definitely need to be looked at again and this time put your glasses on.

The meta for builds in both PvE and PvP is running high damage and a lower Recovery stat. Redguard has been the #1 choice by far for PvE Stamina builds for forever now because of the strong passive sustain from Adrenaline that doesn't require you to have any Recovery stat at all to benefit. That allows you to stack more damage for higher DPS and requires fewer heavy attacks in your rotation to sustain.

And your fix for this is to now change Redguards 9% Recovery bonus to 8% cost reduction which further ignores any need for a Recovery stat and then buff Adrenaline on top of it? This will be even more imbalanced in PvE and be the new replacement for where Argonian is now for OP in PvP.

If Redguard is going to have noticeably better sustain than the other Races then at least drop the max stamina to 1000, especially considering you dropped Orc max stamina to only 500 when you gave them passive sustain.

The 8% cost reduction is only to weapon abilities. Orcs also have a weapon damage passive which is already better than 2k stam. If you look at bosmer, the 258 regen is better than adrenline rush due to regen multipliers while still having the same stam as redguard, having movement speed after dodging and poison resists.

The 3 races are overall balanced

Crixus8000 · January 2019

I feel like wood elf is lacking. First 2 passives are nice but then extra stealth detection radius and 20% move speed after dodge rolling seems a little off. Stealth detection is only used in cyro and still useles imo since there is many ways of revealing in stealth already and the 20% move speed bonus is nothing special.

Moloch1514 · January 2019

This sucks. My Altmer Pet Sorc is barely competitive in PvE as it is, and I've dropped any hope of vMA after Nerfmire. Now I get to look forward to a huge DPS loss from my pets.

Thanks so much @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Gilliam for making things even worse. ZOS' track-record of nerfing my build every patch since Morrowind is safe!

JobooAGS · January 2019

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I feel like wood elf is lacking. First 2 passives are nice but then extra stealth detection radius and 20% move speed after dodge rolling seems a little off. Stealth detection is only used in cyro and still useles imo since there is many ways of revealing in stealth already and the 20% move speed bonus is nothing special.

In a snare meta, more movement speed is king, but the stealth detection is a bit lack luster

flgraybear · January 2019

Before Morrowind came out you changed the magic CP system, I left for one and a half yrs because of that, so you lost my subscription funds for that time, I came back a little over a year ago, and built my mag/sorc back up. I recently purchased the race change to change my mag/sorc from Altmer to Dunmer, to better fit my play style, now you go and change that. At the VERY LEAST YOU NEED TO GIVE OUT A CHANGE RACE FOR EVERY CHARACTER A CUSTOMER HAS WHEN YOU MAKE THESE MAJOR CHANGES that you are determined to do. I feel like I have wasted the last year since these changes will once again change how I play this game. Have you ever heard the phrase if it's not broke don't fix it.

Finedaible · January 2019

I like most of these changes, especially the new flexibility of Khajiit passives, though I would ask that you take Khajiiti's health recovery away and add it to the stamina and magicka recovery you gave them. 75 Recovery is just too low to make a difference.

I don't know all the math behind it, but Redguard still seems a tad overloaded though. If they use a stamina glyph on their infused weapon, it seems like it would be high stamina returns along with that 8% cost reduction.

Question, Does Imperial's Red Diamond have a cooldown?

Crixus8000 · January 2019

JobooAGS wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I feel like wood elf is lacking. First 2 passives are nice but then extra stealth detection radius and 20% move speed after dodge rolling seems a little off. Stealth detection is only used in cyro and still useles imo since there is many ways of revealing in stealth already and the 20% move speed bonus is nothing special.

In a snare meta, more movement speed is king, but the stealth detection is a bit lack luster

Movement speed doesn't really counter snares though, immunity does. It would help getting away after you use immunity sure but even at speed cap it's pretty much impossible to escape a group chasing you spamming snares with rapids. I mean I see it's uses, it just seems quite weak and situational, when compared with other races 3rd passive.

Rittings · January 2019

I do like the challenge the changes to these passives will bring - I am a little concerned most of the percentile changes are more than halving the bonuses that would have been brought forward. So it's hard to contemplate this not being a big nerf on pretty much ALL classes.

I can also see why it seems like a bit of a cash cow for racial change requirements for end game players too. I have 15 toons on my main account alone, and definitely going to largely affect the way all of my characters will now play - and I can already see a few of them getting axed for re-rolls (as I refuse to sink any extra money into a game that needs fixing, no matter how much I enjoy playing it - especially since I'm migrating countries next month and simply have no expendable income for silly things like racial changes)...

I look forward to seeing how these numbers compare to the final numbers we see.

technohic · January 2019

So as I am chewing on this a while, I guess it feels like all races were adjusted somewhat close for the most part with just Red guard and Altmer as they seem to be more dedicated one way or another. Whatever there, as I will let the math people go over this crap.

What bothers me is; I wanted a nord, so I took my templar a nord. I gave up meta and in stead built to use its health recovery, health, and stam. The damage reduction percent really was not great but helped with bleeds which do not care about armor. I feel like a sledgehammer was taken to it, decreasing the health and stam and vaporizing the health recovery. Probably most people could care less about that but for me, it made the character different. Ultimate generation can be nice but 10 seconds is an incredibly long time in combat to just get 5 ultimate. Even if it would be decent, it seems the race is now better suited for a different character I have (*cough* Dunmer DK) and less for what I was doing already that might actually synergise better with Khajiit at a bit weaker version, which is all well and good, but that already is more than 1 race change. I have a few characters that will be stuck.

I guess I feel like we could adjust to clearly less exaggerated strength of races, but it feels like the deck has been shuffled and we are stuck with either a race that no longer matches what we are trying to do; or we have to purchase tokens if we have more than 1 character.

WIZZARD2K · January 2019

So the 'improvement' to wood elf is only useful in certain pvp situations? Please consider the class balance OUTSIDE of pvp, as some people just don't have a taste for it. Being able to sneak was useful to those of us who don't pvp, too! Roll Dodge is useless since you still can't roll dodge out of red in time, as the game still thinks you're where you were until you're done.

karthrag_inak · January 2019

buff redguard? khajiit with health recovery over stam? do you guys play this game? I think not.

amir412 · January 2019

lassitershawn wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If you had a race with 10% max stamina or magicka, and your final build was around 40k magicka or stamina, then these changes are nerfing you by HALF. You will lose effectively 2000 of the 4000 resources in your max pool (39600/1.1) = 36,000 + 2000 = 38,000
If you ran a Breton or High Elf Magicka build with 40k magicka, you now have 38k magicka. I guess Magnus is an indian giver.

If you ran a Redguard Stamina damage build with 40k stamina, you now have lost effectively 200 weapon damage.

If you ran a 50k health imperial tank, you now have 46.6k Health

This isn't "Balance" this is nerfing the top damage dealing builds in the game. This is the price of power creep.

This isn't the case, the 2k magicka should be affected by % magicka increases and I saw somewhere that the final difference is only around 1k on a fairly high magicka build.

The final result is 1k. ure right.

JumpmanLane · January 2019

I run DW Destro on my MagDk in PvP. Gotta run the numbers but I’m liking the idea of a flat 200+ spell (and weapon damage) over 6% max magicka. Might be more effective spell power.

I weave light attacks with swords on every whip just to get crusher and berserker off, may as well get a lil damage boost. The best DK I know (who taught me MagDk) used to laugh and say “did I teach you that?” Then he’d say it’s very small amount of damage lol. I killed someone with riposte once lol. Every little bit helps.

Twohothardware · January 2019

JobooAGS wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

On the Stamina side the Redguard changes definitely need to be looked at again and this time put your glasses on.

The meta for builds in both PvE and PvP is running high damage and a lower Recovery stat. Redguard has been the #1 choice by far for PvE Stamina builds for forever now because of the strong passive sustain from Adrenaline that doesn't require you to have any Recovery stat at all to benefit. That allows you to stack more damage for higher DPS and requires fewer heavy attacks in your rotation to sustain.

And your fix for this is to now change Redguards 9% Recovery bonus to 8% cost reduction which further ignores any need for a Recovery stat and then buff Adrenaline on top of it? This will be even more imbalanced in PvE and be the new replacement for where Argonian is now for OP in PvP.

If Redguard is going to have noticeably better sustain than the other Races then at least drop the max stamina to 1000, especially considering you dropped Orc max stamina to only 500 when you gave them passive sustain.

The 8% cost reduction is only to weapon abilities. Orcs also have a weapon damage passive which is already better than 2k stam. If you look at bosmer, the 258 regen is better than adrenline rush due to regen multipliers while still having the same stam as redguard, having movement speed after dodging and poison resists.

The 3 races are overall balanced

A small damage advantage from Orc doesn't translate to higher DPS if Redguard has superior sustain and that's the point that ZOS keeps missing. Argonian and Redguard aren't OP right now because of 3% Magicka or 10% Stamina, they are OP because of the Resourceful passive and the Adrenaline passive giving at least twice the effective sustain as other Races because low Stam Recovery builds are the Meta. It doesn't matter how much damage you deal, if you don't have any Stamina you can't cast a skill.

Imperial and Nord still have no Stam Recovery or Cost reduction bonuses outside of Imperials measly 5% block cost reduction and Khajiit's Recovery is even weaker now than it was before because they're splitting it between Stamina and Magicka.

Rykmaar · January 2019

Hi ZoS, interesting changes.

Clarifying questions on the Dunmer changes:

1) What was the impetus for the mag and stam numbers for the second passive? The number seems a little low if the intent was strengthening their multi-role ability. Is there a table or mechanism you guys use for numbers?

2) The 600 health from the third passive seems arbitrary. Why was that number chosen as a replacement for % mag?

Also, this isn't a question, but with these changes, you are ENSURING that Altmer are the best magicka class. Period. No ifs ands or buts. Why?

Thanks!

Playnice · January 2019

High Elf will be an only choice of magicka users next patch.

- Dark Elf is not great and any one thing which kills the hardcore players. No good reason to choose this one over High Elf.

- Argonian does not offer any meaningful advantages over other classes so total RIP there. High Elf is better here.

- Breton can sustain like a mother but will never compete in damage. The change is actually a damage nerf if you do the math. High Elf is still better here.