Galarthor wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

@Tasear Bretons are way ahead of Altmers in terms of sustain with these changes!

Really?

Yes by far.

Ofc it depends on how many spells you cast and how expensive they are at base - but the 7% cost reduction passive is worth between 350 and 450 mag recovery in stat sheet.
The 100 base regen breton gets will be almost enough to put breton on the same sustain as altmer with their passive.

@Derra how did you get those numbers? Just curious b/c I ran my calculations with an assumed average cost (pre-cost reduction) of 3000 per second. Just curious ^^

On my sorc my average base cost across all my abilities is somewhere at 3500 magica. For masterreach builds it´s more like 3800 base cost.
So i calculate from that base and then go to like ~50 to 55 skills/s for permanent casting.

Ofc this gets altered by class you play and which abilities you use how frequently - a lower base cost class like NB or warden won´t benefit as much.
Templar massively depends on which skills they use.
Same goes for DK - pve rotation is cheap comparatively - support skills are expensive.

GIVE ME BACK MY TELVANNI PYROMANCER

could we possibly see something in the way of either a max stam boost or possibly a bigger health boost for the removal of the poison resistance and self healing nerf, nothing huge, maby 1.5k hp and 1k stam. That way they get somthing in the way of a boost for DPS both mag and stam? The comment that argos were twice as good as other races is absurd, a edge in PvP? yes ill agree with the potion passive (which i expected much worse nerfs). in PvE? they only were great at supports, now they are "ok" for support and offer jack didly for DPS roles. I just figured if you nerf the support you buff the damage to compensate, instead you just nerfed, and left it as is.


Granted as others have said this really only matter for End end pve content (trial progression groups pushing scoreboard runs)

Gilliam! Greetings!

Khydan wrote: »

Can someone please translate this for me? Who got nerfed and who got buffed? How is my boy Breton doing?

Its looking tough for breton coach

I love the changes for Khajiit, especially in PvP. This makes us very versatile and maintains our stealthy, hard-hitting style. The additional health and magicka are very welcome, and I am glad we still have high health recovery, which pairs beautifully with Artaeum Takeaway Broth.

> "We want more player freedom!"

Great, I always thought it was weird how you were forced to play a speci---

> "All Magicka users must now play High Elf as the previous alternatives are obsolete!"

--- You what?

Edit: Side note, some of these changes especially for Dark Elves fundamentally change the race into something that wasn't supported before, while detracting significantly from the previous roles. This is bound to annoy a LOT of people. A more logical option would have been to remove racial bonuses outright, at least then everyone would be nerfed equally.

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

The only thing I didn’t like was that khajiit got a higher reduced stealth detection radius of 5m while wood elves just get 3m. That makes anyone wanting to play with the justice system in the game HAS to choose khajiit. So now my wood elf thief is at a big disadvantage in the justice system. As Khajiit get a higher pickpocket chance bonus AND increased detection reduction radius. That’s my only dislike of these changes

The justice system isnt hard, i do just fine on my redguard stam sorc

Most of the changes look good to me. Some overpowered classes got some minor nerfs, especially if they were stat stacking. Some others got buffs to make them stronger.

Browsing the comments I think many people are forgetting that the flat stat increases are base stat increases, which will be further buffed by armor passives and undaunted passives, which will significantly close the gap between them.

Overall, I'm happy at a first glance. Will wait for the PTS to do some testing, but it seems the only race change I may need to do with with my Dunmer nightblade.

Wouldn't argue with getting more than 1 race change token however... maybe 1 per 4 characters you have "unlocked" so a base of 2, up to 4 if you have all 15 unlocked

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Wood Elf

• Increases experience gain in Bow Skill Line by 15%, decreases fall damage taken by 10% → No changes
• Y’ffre’s Endurance: 21% Stamina Recovery → Increases your Stamina Recovery by 258.
• Resist Affliction: 6% Max Stamina and 1485 Poison and Disease Resistance → Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and your Poison Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Poisoned status effect.
• Stealthy: Reduces detection Radius by 3m and Increases Damage Done in Stealth by 10% → Hunter’s Eye: Increases your Stealth detection radius by 3m. After you use Roll Dodge you gain 20% Movement Speed for 3 seconds.
  • A quick note on why we changed the Stealthy passive: Previously this passive was shared between Khajiit and Wood Elf, and didn’t help them feel distinct enough from each other. Additionally, since Sneaking isn’t a universal mechanic to the game (many enemies in Tamriel can’t be bothered sneaking about!), we wanted to take away some of the focus from the passive and build that into their other passives instead. We still want to support that game mechanic however, so we kept parts of each the Wood Elf’s and the Khajiit’s version of these passives.

Developer Comment

The thick forests of Valenwood have imprinted the importance of the ability to hunt in the Wood Elf race, and as such they have a natural adeptness for detecting potential threats. Quick to react and well versed in the poisons of nature, they can outlast and outwit their opponents. These traits are demonstrated with their natural speed boost when tactfully engaging combat, and their unparalleled Stamina Recovery.

wood elf look terribly useless...

10% fall damage is just a sick joke. usually people only take fall damage out of combat. which make this tiny damage reduction meaningless

Y’ffre’s Endurance- this is a nerf... imo 21% is much more then 258.. at least on my build..

Resist Affliction- not bad.. but poison damage is not very common in both pvp and pve.. at least when comparing with other elemental such as fire and ice...

Hunter’s Eye: ??? stealth detection? really??? why the hell does anyone want this? there is mage light, in pvp. and in pve no one ever need this thing...

both khajiit and wood elf are been known for their sneaky and thievery culture. why only the cat get everything that is useful???? please at least give one trait to the wood elf, for gum's sake this is the only reason i ever choose wood elf... because i can stealth better and i don't have to have a tail on my rear end..

my suggestion

change 10% fall damage to 15% movement speed while stealth.

change stealth detection to chance of getting better result from pickpocket.

Tell me if I'm wrong but after the update, except healer, what an argonian can do ?

As an overland, delve and normal dungeon PvE only player I am quite unhappy about the negative changes to Bosmer.

You see, that stealth detection passive is absolutely useless to me. To add insult to injury, the loss of the stealth bonus hurts badly.

I am quite unhappy about the changes to my Bosmer character.

@ZOS_Gilliam Are these changes final or will you consider making adjustments? Will you be willing to make adjustments now based on our feedback or will you wait until you receive feedback on PTS?

Burtan wrote: »

Feels like a mistake giving dark elf the best dmg output in game for both stam and mag.

Best damage output? I see a khajit actually being better at both now.

I see it as the Dunmers will be the new wood elves of magicka builds.