Youtube Builds - Can We Stop Please?

Freakin_Hytte · December 2018

Rittings wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, YouTube/Streamer builds are just a starting point if you are trying something different. I don't think i've ever fully copied a build I've seen... they give me ideas for rotations, set combos etc.. but ultimately, I know that a build needs to be personalized for a persons skillset and playstyle. Fully agree with the OP.

This👌

I also see the builds as a starting point on how a class works if I have never played them before to get some knowledge how they work and to get some inspiration on what can be done. Then when I have learned the essentials, I make my own build.
And it's great for new players in order to get a grip how eso works, a lot of people don't have the 2+ years experience and know everything and a YouTube build can be a great way to get experience.

John_Falstaff · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Then, do it. Lets see u put youre theory to the test. I mean, I can do the same. Just throw on some dps gear, dots and thow on elemental weapon as spam, and voila, easy youtube build. Oh wait, did that already.

I also have a healers.

Youre not special because u are dps.
And dps is a dime a dozen.

Did that too, I happened to tank vet pledges (as, normally, sDK DD) with guildmates, and have the sets handy.

And of course I'm not special. Never said I am. That's the difference, when I put on tanking gear, I don't have diva syndrome - I know that, as a tank, I could be doing much, much more for my team. Like... put on Alkosh and Torug's. ^^ Or Ebon. Or something like that depending on situation, not because it's meta, but because I would know how it works and how I can better contribute to my group while staying survivable. That's something I'd pride myself in. Sitting in Brass and PD and trying to pack mobs and hold boss? It's the least I can do for them, not something that makes me any sort of celebrity. ^^

chaz · December 2018

First I will go out on the limb and say what ever builds I found from the "Most" beloved eso gamers just doesn't work for me. I also noticed how he stole the idea of 1 bar vma build and said "many people was asking him to make one" when he could have just been honest about it and said "i found these videos from (X) random people on the internet for this 2 pet sorc build and found it works really well, so I'm making this one today to show how it works"

Second, which is weird, if you're tanking and the "Guild leader" doesn't like the way you game, then why are you even in that guild? My experience with, let say pvp guilds 2 years ago, 1 guild i was with takes people to the lesser campaign "Shor" to give their new members a free EMP title. Without any muss or fuss. Just before I decided to leave them, the the last new guy they gave free Emperor title to went off crazy town on them for cheating, which was weird again because he agreed to it.

The second guild I was with that I quit was because of the rudeness level. Leader was always crap, talking about how other guilds play and their builds, and then spouting off he's lit after smoking weed and muted everyone on discord in the middle of a raid.

I , personally feel I have a different gameplay style, I also use a controller wirelessly to my pc because I'm not very good at all using KB&M. However I could care less about people telling me how to game or how to make a build, especially if that cookie cutter build doesn't work for me then I suspect cheats are involved. I do, if I make the same build, enchantments, traits, attribute points, champion points, food and potions, and I get slammed when they seem to be immortal, yeah I suspect cheats.

So to make a point, if you come across people like that, then leave them, if you feel comfortable in your build and game the way that fits your style, then go right ahead.

Claudman · December 2018

ayu_fever wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

as a tank:

-i am not responsible for their max health. build your guy correctly and stop whining. (i am not required to wear ebon)
-i am not responsible for the “l33t deeps” damage output. if they were as “leet” as they think they are, they dont need the alkosh buff. build your guy correctly and stop whining. (i refuse to wear alkosh)
-i will hold aggro on bosses no problem but i will not taunt trash mobs. those leet/fake deeps have a job to do. stop whining and kill it faster while i hold the bigger enemies. DO YOUR JOB TOO!

i refuse to cater to meta chasing dps player sheep.
all these entitled children and punks want it all handed to them.
i am however a diva tank and i dont do that.
everyone has a job, so go do it.
you want to play silly meta nonsense, go join a guild.

if some dps punk runs off i let him die and tell the group not to res him. usually vote to kick the punk. depends on my mood.
if healers dont do their job, i drop aggro and let them get demolished.
it is very satisfying too.

tanks are essential.
dps punks need US more than WE need THEM.

Since you’re basically doing nothing relevant then, I’d say you’re not essential at all.

im sorry who are you?
tanks and healers are NOT slaves to dps.
if you want to play that way, go find some elitist tryhard guild and have at it.

And who are you?
I've never even heard of your name before.

This isn't about healers or tanks being a slave to the DPS, this is about working as a team and by pretending that DPS are just mindless idiots all the time who aren't worthy of debuff or buff support, you aren't treating them as if they are apart of the team. This means that you're failing your job as a tank. As I said, tanking isn't all about holding aggro.

Ajaxduo · December 2018

The issue here isn't YouTubers or any guide's at all, I find it humourous that people want to paint content creators and streamers as these individuals that are to blame for enforcing a metal. No, we really aren't.
The real issue is people going around behaving like there is only one effective way to play and that everyone should adhere to it. Simply put you are never entitled to force others to play a way they don't want to. However, meta will always exist and there is honestly nothing wrong with that in organised trial groups/guilds. A lot of effort gets put in number crunching to help shave off mere seconds of a score board run. Regardless you are never entitled to that min max player when pugging. You are willingly and knowingly signing up for a random dungeon or joining a random pug trial group.
There is no real wrong here other than people spouting opinion like fact imo. I'd say the issue lies with the games balance itself, if I can push 50k with a dual wield bow build but low 40k with a two hander one has to question why is this and has always been the case? I find myself logging in less and less due a noticeable difference in effectiveness and classes become more similar than different.
In 2019 ZoS needs to focus on rebalancing from the ground up, not quick meta nerfs. But seriously find a way to improve and promote diversity among weapon types and classes. Classes already have access to unique buffs and debuffs, perhaps something can be done for weapons. Also hybrids are in the same boat, every patch we get new sets as an ncentive to try hybrids but with the current CP system they will always be miles behind...serious changes need to be made. This isn't to say hybrids and alt builds aren't viable, I can pull 48k with bow bow, but in certain vet content these builds become inefficient and clunky, so pretty much for open world, normal mode and non dlc vet content they are fine. Comparatively these alternative builds are far more than viable enough for majority of the game...
But yeah I'm with all of you on this at some level, but I think people would benefit from taking a step back and accepting that fighting with one another isn't the right thing to do. ZoS has teased at 2019 being the biggest year for ESO and I really hope this is apart of it.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Claudman wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

as a tank:

-i am not responsible for their max health. build your guy correctly and stop whining. (i am not required to wear ebon)
-i am not responsible for the “l33t deeps” damage output. if they were as “leet” as they think they are, they dont need the alkosh buff. build your guy correctly and stop whining. (i refuse to wear alkosh)
-i will hold aggro on bosses no problem but i will not taunt trash mobs. those leet/fake deeps have a job to do. stop whining and kill it faster while i hold the bigger enemies. DO YOUR JOB TOO!

i refuse to cater to meta chasing dps player sheep.
all these entitled children and punks want it all handed to them.
i am however a diva tank and i dont do that.
everyone has a job, so go do it.
you want to play silly meta nonsense, go join a guild.

if some dps punk runs off i let him die and tell the group not to res him. usually vote to kick the punk. depends on my mood.
if healers dont do their job, i drop aggro and let them get demolished.
it is very satisfying too.

tanks are essential.
dps punks need US more than WE need THEM.

Since you’re basically doing nothing relevant then, I’d say you’re not essential at all.

im sorry who are you?
tanks and healers are NOT slaves to dps.
if you want to play that way, go find some elitist tryhard guild and have at it.

And who are you?
I've never even heard of your name before.

This isn't about healers or tanks being a slave to the DPS, this is about working as a team and by pretending that DPS are just mindless idiots all the time who aren't worthy of debuff or buff support, you aren't treating them as if they are apart of the team. This means that you're failing your job as a tank. As I said, tanking isn't all about holding aggro.

I am someone who plays eso just like you do. I have never heard of you either.

But how is any of this relevant?

I agree with you. Its not all about holding aggro. Tanks have a lot of responsibilities.
Taunting, holding aggro, debuffing resist, weakening, mitigating damage, positioning, executing mechanics, damage, fighting boss, healing group. Yeah. Youre right.

Thank you proving my point. It is a team effort and tanks are not 2nd to dps or anyone else. They are an essential part of the team.

Btw. I am someone who plays eso. I have never heard of you either. So what.

Stratloc · December 2018

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

Lab3360 · December 2018

Stratloc wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

He isnt. Its actually been the other way around with YTBs users trying to push there way onto others.

Stratloc · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

He isnt. Its actually been the other way around with YTBs users trying to push there way onto others.

That is what it says though. How is it different?

Lab3360 · December 2018

Stratloc wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

He isnt. Its actually been the other way around with YTBs users trying to push there way onto others.

That is what it says though. How is it different?

Ytbs need to stop acting like they run the game and take a chill pill

hedna123b14_ESO · December 2018

Liko or GTFO

Stratloc · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

He isnt. Its actually been the other way around with YTBs users trying to push there way onto others.

That is what it says though. How is it different?

Ytbs need to stop acting like they run the game and take a chill pill

Your debating style is fascinating

Lab3360 · December 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Liko or GTFO

Take youre own advice

Lab3360 · December 2018

Stratloc wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

I fully agree with the OP here. There is zero reason to play this game if you are going to copy and paste someone else's build.

And who are you to dictate people's motivation to play this game?

He isnt. Its actually been the other way around with YTBs users trying to push there way onto others.

That is what it says though. How is it different?

Ytbs need to stop acting like they run the game and take a chill pill

Your debating style is fascinating

Thank you

Lab3360 · December 2018

Lmfao...omg. I actually laughing my arse off right now.

There are about 10 people here from work here and a few friends of family whom i dont get along with.

I explain the situation with the game to see if maybe I was offf on this.....

The response was not what i expect and was completely caught off guard.

But one of them referes to the people who try to push youre YTBs onto everyone and youre Alkosh and and only dps mattter types as well,....

You were refered to as "Sheeple"
Lmfao. The whole room erupted in laughter.

Omfg...lololololol....

I really didnt expect that, not even a little bit.

Sheeple...lol. never seen that one coming

One persone asked me who happens to be a gamet also, "isnt that game designed so you can run with people how you want?"

I said yes. Then came the "Sheeple"
Term...lol (added for context).

Taylor_MB · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Lmfao...omg. I actually laughing my arse off right now.

There are about 10 people here from work here and a few friends of family whom i dont get along with.

I explain the situation with the game to see if maybe I was offf on this.....

The response was not what i expect and was completely caught off guard.

But one of them referes to the people who try to push youre YTBs onto everyone and youre Alkosh and and only dps mattter types as well,....

You were refered to as "Sheeple"
Lmfao. The whole room erupted in laughter.

Omfg...lololololol....

I really didnt expect that, not even a little bit.

Sheeple...lol. never seen that one coming

One persone asked me who happens to be a gamet also, "isnt that game designed so you can run with people how you want?"

I said yes. Then came the "Sheeple"
Term...lol (added for context).

That's the equivalent of calling people sheeple for getting vaccines and going to school.

If a specific tank setup mathematically works best for score/group DPS, it's not wrong that everyone runs it.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Lmfao...omg. I actually laughing my arse off right now.

There are about 10 people here from work here and a few friends of family whom i dont get along with.

I explain the situation with the game to see if maybe I was offf on this.....

The response was not what i expect and was completely caught off guard.

But one of them referes to the people who try to push youre YTBs onto everyone and youre Alkosh and and only dps mattter types as well,....

You were refered to as "Sheeple"
Lmfao. The whole room erupted in laughter.

Omfg...lololololol....

I really didnt expect that, not even a little bit.

Sheeple...lol. never seen that one coming

One persone asked me who happens to be a gamet also, "isnt that game designed so you can run with people how you want?"

I said yes. Then came the "Sheeple"
Term...lol (added for context).

That's the equivalent of calling people sheeple for getting vaccines and going to school.

If a specific tank setup mathematically works best for score/group DPS, it's not wrong that everyone runs it.

Reference has no connection or relevance. Please explain.

I never said it was wrong for everyone to run it. But everyone should not have to run a non tank set

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · December 2018

all i can say about this is lol, i never let my builds be seen, well apart from friends, as i know peeps will have a go, bu iam happy with mine, healers can hot 100k hps, tank can just stand there for all stuff and my main dk can hit 50k+ dps, all i will say is play the way you want, soon enough if all do that, those who say you must wear what i say and use the skills i say will be all alone and no one will run with them, so my advice is just to have fun play how you want and ignore the metaritist

Lab3360 · December 2018

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

all i can say about this is lol, i never let my builds be seen, well apart from friends, as i know peeps will have a go, bu iam happy with mine, healers can hot 100k hps, tank can just stand there for all stuff and my main dk can hit 50k+ dps, all i will say is play the way you want, soon enough if all do that, those who say you must wear what i say and use the skills i say will be all alone and no one will run with them, so my advice is just to have fun play how you want and ignore the metaritist

Perfect

Svenja · December 2018

Why isn't this shitshow of a thread closed yet?
Belittling and offending people because they follow efficient builds, others belittling people because they create their own setups and DONT follow YouTube builds, calling YouTubers out and trashtalking about them..

Seriously.. what is this?

Merry Christmas.

starkerealm · December 2018

@Svenja, BECAUSE LOGIC AND REASON HAVE NO POWER HERE!

Merry Christmas.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Svenja wrote: »

Why isn't this shitshow of a thread closed yet?
Belittling and offending people because they follow efficient builds, others belittling people because they create their own setups and DONT follow YouTube builds, calling YouTubers out and trashtalking about them..

Seriously.. what is this?

Merry Christmas.

Its the Ytbs who are belittleing for not using "There Way"

No one is trash talking youtube builds. If thats what you get from it, then thats youre problem.

People feeble attempts to shove ytbs down people throats is a problem.

Its not the most efficient just because a youtuber came up with it.

If you read Alcast statement on here.
Even he stated there is more than one way.

Unfortunately, some people just cant seem to grasp that reality.

Lab3360 · December 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

@Svenja, BECAUSE LOGIC AND REASON HAVE NO POWER HERE!

Merry Christmas.

Copying someones work and deeming oneself as an "Authority" and "Expert" is hardly logic or reason.

Merry Christmas

Cheezits94 · December 2018

@Lab3360
You are saying Youtubers belittle people for nut using their builds. The Youtubers who wrote in this thread don't do that and even wrote here that it's not the only way to do stuff. So who are you talking about?
You are the one calling people "sheep" or "sheeple" (hahahahahahahahahaha so funny) for not doing what YOU want and not run around in their own made-up stuff but following a good, solid build someone else came up with.

This is the worst thread on the forums currently. Just people bashing their heads against each other, it is sad really.

Cheezits94 · December 2018

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.

I've always wondered the reason. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if they shared their actual builds, everyone would use them and nothing else, which would lead to Zos nerfing them to foster build diversity like with Mechanical Acuity, which would lead to the top raiders having to spend more time golding out and testing gear sets for theory crafting to find the next best build. Is that close?

But then I wonder why the Hodor people (check out Liko, Seb Williams, Warfire, AndyS, Alcast...) upload videos of their score runs where you can clearly see which sets and skills they are using. Explain pls @Raiden_Gekkou

Lab3360 · December 2018

Cheezits94 wrote: »

@Lab3360
You are saying Youtubers belittle people for nut using their builds. The Youtubers who wrote in this thread don't do that and even wrote here that it's not the only way to do stuff. So who are you talking about?
You are the one calling people "sheep" or "sheeple" (hahahahahahahahahaha so funny) for not doing what YOU want and not run around in their own made-up stuff but following a good, solid build someone else came up with.

This is the worst thread on the forums currently. Just people bashing their heads against each other, it is sad really.

I guess the motorator probably doesn't agree with you ehich is why the thread is still here.

I literally didnt call anyone "Sheeple."
Im not intelligent enought to come up with that one. Lmao. That came from just who I said it did.

And you misrepresent a lot here. So get youre facts straight.

Post a reference and a link where I indicated that a Youtuber belittled someone.

Get youre facts straight if you are going to present argument.

What is happening here is indicative of what happens in game to people.

But here is the thing. Those people that voted on the thread out number you and have spoken.

witchdoctor · December 2018

NVM. Its time to celebrate John McClane's victory over Hans Gruber.

Tsar_Gekkou · December 2018

Cheezits94 wrote: »

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.

I've always wondered the reason. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if they shared their actual builds, everyone would use them and nothing else, which would lead to Zos nerfing them to foster build diversity like with Mechanical Acuity, which would lead to the top raiders having to spend more time golding out and testing gear sets for theory crafting to find the next best build. Is that close?

But then I wonder why the Hodor people (check out Liko, Seb Williams, Warfire, AndyS, Alcast...) upload videos of their score runs where you can clearly see which sets and skills they are using. Explain pls @Raiden_Gekkou

I'm not the one who made the original quote, so ask that guy. I just looked up four hodor score run vids and didn't see any gear. Maybe they have some vids of lesser score runs where they use common sets because they're good enough to beat content with stuff everyone uses, and then the higher score runs use their own personal setups?

starkerealm · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@Svenja, BECAUSE LOGIC AND REASON HAVE NO POWER HERE!

Merry Christmas.

Copying someones work and deeming oneself as an "Authority" and "Expert" is hardly logic or reason.

Merry Christmas

@Lab3360, this may come as a surprise to you, but, in spite of my friendship with Xy, I don't actually use "YouTube Builds." I can see why they will or won't work, and I can decide if there's something worth snarfing and adapting, but if you're thinking I'm clinging blindly to Alcast's and Woeler's builds, you're incredibly mistaken.

Ogou · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

And you misrepresent a lot here. So get youre facts straight.

Post a reference and a link where I indicated that a Youtuber belittled someone.

Get youre facts straight if you are going to present argument.

Lab3360 wrote: »

Svenja wrote: »

Why isn't this shitshow of a thread closed yet?
Belittling and offending people because they follow efficient builds, others belittling people because they create their own setups and DONT follow YouTube builds, calling YouTubers out and trashtalking about them..

Seriously.. what is this?

Merry Christmas.

Its the Ytbs who are belittleing for not using "There Way"