you spelled nightblade wrong

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I'll say this much.
Templars are inherently more tanky. These days, it feels like tanks can dish out almost as much damage as damage-oriented builds. Of course, it's not 100% on par, but 85% - and that is enough if the weak damage build is distracted for a second. Whereas the other way around, tanky builds can easily afford a mistake or two without consequences. The scales aren't tipped right, and that is what Templars benefit from.

As a whole, the Dragonknight and Warden class are both significantly tankier than Templar. And again, I know this isn’t directed towards Stamplar, i.e the stam spec with the weakest healing of them all. So I’ll reiterate when it comes to Magplar that if you actually build to have damage, you won’t be exceptionally tanky and vice versa. Magplar “tankiness” is an illusion. Being able to bounce back constantly to full looks very hardy on the surface until you realize how one dimensional, binary, and completely reactive the class’ defensive design is. Which isn’t an issue if you’re a tanky heal bot, but isnt very forgiving at all if you’re a light armor damage spec.

So no, Templar doesn’t benefit from the dynamic you describe. Basically no Light/Medium Armor damage spec does. You know what does abuse disproportionate amounts of damage relative to their tankiness? Heavy armor stam builds, as they have for years. Magplar, and no magicka class, is in the same ball park when it comes to this regard as heavy stam.

The healing and purging DOES make them tanky. As I said, when you build with defense in mind, gameplay gets super forgiving for Temps. I wasn't talking a glass cannon Templar.

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Arguing semantics here. I still stand by my point. A PotL with ultimate crit can be all that's needed to take down a fragile damage dealer. Whereas the damage dealer has to do a lot to overcome the healing and having negative effects just purged off. Building defense isn't very difficult, IMO.

Really would depend on the players and builds in question. Do you have any experience playing a light armor damage magplar? The damage can be phenomenal but comes at a cost. My point is, while it can be strong it’s not unbalanced relative to other powerful builds in the game. Class balance rn is quite phenomenal outside of sorc which kind of underperforms. If I recall correctly, you were one of the players who would defend sorc when it was good from people making similar nerf threads. “Too much damage while being too tanky”. Do you remember the rhetoric you’d use to counter those claims? Do you see where mindless QQ got your class? And if so is the irony lost on you?

Funny how the tone changes when another class is finally doing well as a damage dealer after years of being mediocre. For what it’s worth, light armor damage magplar was and still is harder to play than sorc ever was in any patch prior to this one. Coming from someone with extensive experience in both. And imo it still is currently harder to play, but also more effective at securing kills in a well rounded build.

have a preference distance to use puncture? Sometimes it seems that the greater the distance, the greater the radius of 'puncturing', the greater the DMG. I have observed this. Is it confirmed?

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Arguing semantics here. I still stand by my point. A PotL with ultimate crit can be all that's needed to take down a fragile damage dealer. Whereas the damage dealer has to do a lot to overcome the healing and having negative effects just purged off. Building defense isn't very difficult, IMO.

Really would depend on the players and builds in question. Do you have any experience playing a light armor damage magplar? The damage can be phenomenal but comes at a cost. My point is, while it can be strong it’s not unbalanced relative to other powerful builds in the game. Class balance rn is quite phenomenal outside of sorc which kind of underperforms. If I recall correctly, you were one of the players who would defend sorc when it was good from people making similar nerf threads. “Too much damage while being too tanky”. Do you remember the rhetoric you’d use to counter those claims? Do you see where mindless QQ got your class? And if so is the irony lost on you?

Funny how the tone changes when another class is finally doing well as a damage dealer after years of being mediocre. For what it’s worth, light armor damage magplar was and still is harder to play than sorc ever was in any patch prior to this one. Coming from someone with extensive experience in both. And imo it still is currently harder to play, but also more effective at securing kills in a well rounded build.

My argument regarding sorcs back then was how they could easily evaporate against multiple opponents, single good meta opponents, and if something slips up for a second and shields drop. This is still more or less true. However, sorcs took a big hit to damage, utility... Ah, you know the drill.

I'm under the impression you're misunderstanding me a bit here. You're getting suspicously defensive here (I assume you main a Temp now?) and are holding an opera here just to not get Temps nerfed. I, I didn't ask for a Temp nerf per se. You see, I regard defensive builds as a whole braindead easy these days. It's a result of continuous, years even, nerfing to damage builds. It started with hard CP caps, followed by soft CP caps, introduction of very powerful defensive sets, resource cuts, and so on. While this was actually partially aimed at defensive builds like permablockers, it lead to this weird situation we have now, where exploiting zergs, bursts, bleeds, oblivion and so on is super viable on defensive builds, whereas naturally offensive ones expose themselves too much for little benefit. We even get a sledge hammer to the face with shield hp cap, forcing us to give up even more damage.

THIS is what I mean. Everytime I give Cyro a chance these days, I'm just bored to death of wailing on my opponent for hours to no avail. But get caught by a couple incoming enemy reinforcements and it's GG. There's no fun to be had. I fall asleep spreading my damage across zergs and seeing it healed or my Curse purged. I lose interest in even trying in a 1v1 against your typical 27k+ hp "tank/survivalist" after repeating my boring rotation for ten minutes. I stop bothering trying to outmaneuver enemy groups with my small group just for them to go super mutant tanky turtle, wait for reinforcements to pile up on us and then just ult dump and kill us with numbers.

This is not a Templar problem, it's a problem of the game having been watered down so much over the years. Templars and other inherently tanky classes just benefit from this. But I don't want them nerfed. I want honest damage increased. No BS proc set damage or overpowered bleeds or damage that goes through your shields. I'm talking good old skills, DoTs, damage sets, that kind of stuff. Make Cyrodiil fun again!

The CP passive that guarantees a crit carries magplars with their BoL spam.