The best troll I have seen is there is a well somewhere near aleswell and a red troll on a dc character popped a camp on top of the well. Literally 20+ people fell in the well. Chat was so lit it was ridiculous. I had a good laugh but people were furious. Obviously we lost ales. I think it's been patched now...ah the good ol days.

Minyassa wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

This is why I will never voluntarily PvP. Just knowing that it's full of people like this and people who defend them or just don't care makes the whole thing look like less fun than a quadruple root canal.

One *** hundreds of really cool people ...

PvP isn't full of *** just so you know

Okay so several people have answered me with this, in varying degrees of hostility. Let me pose this question, then: have you SEEN all the threads in this forum about nasty behavior in PvP and how many of the responses are people defending it? It's not the same few people all the time. It's dozens of different ones going out of their way to defend nasty behavior, to ridicule people for wanting sportsmanship and basic decency, and to deflect by immediately pointing at PvE. There's *never* not someone defending any horrible behavior someone takes to the forums to complain about. And yeah, that might just mean that the *forums* are what's really toxic, but you have to also consider that these people aren't just in the forum, they are in the forum AND in Cyrodiil enjoying making other people's lives miserable. So I think I have a pretty good cause for my thinking that Cyrodiil is full of people who live to ruin other people's fun. It's what I've seen here in the forum nearly every day for the year or so I've been playing. How am I supposed to NOT think that's indicative of the PvP community?

Reason why you see more toxic posts on forums is something which can be explained with basic common sense:

When something is actually going well in game and people are satisfied, they enjoy the content & company of players they have around and are actually having good time. How likely these players are going to arrive on forums and make a thread:
"Hey guys, I had fun today and met awesome players in PvP. I had amazing 1 vs 1 fights and I learned a lot."
That's not too likely going to happen. But when something is irritating players, something goes wrong or if players find any other kind of reason to complain, then it's more likely that threads about it pops up, including certain levels of toxic comments. But then again the same goes with PvE. Not many will arrive on forums and telling how awesome trial/dungeon round they had with great team they happened to complete the content with. But when someone gets treated horribly by players with elitist attitudes, stories about that will higher likely show up on forums. Nothing uncommon nor unexpected here.

And now if players are telling you that some bad apples among certain community does not reflect entire PvP/PvE player base, you are refusing to believe, based on what you've read on forums over time. But I guess that doesn't matter anymore for you. You've decided to believe what you want and probably no one can change that.

ak_pvp wrote: »

Hamrb wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

As all things pvp, zos dont care

you're kidding, right?
all nerfs and buffs that happen are for pvpers. do you know how many times zos has made massive changes to the way we have to run 12 man trials, because pvp was unfair. I understand why they have to do it, not trying to act salty. just pointing out that your statement clearly has no knowledge behind it.

This comes up often, it is wrong.

• All the morrowind changes to non tanks were due to PvE. PvP has no CP already, if people didn't like it, then they would play that. No PvPer complained about light/med then. Wrobel wanted light/heavy phases.
• The proc set crit change, PvE. PvP already has impen to lower the effect, and it changed nothing, procs were still OP. They were changed because the DPS from them was too high for PvP
• Light/Heavy attack changes. It was too easy to do a light rotation, so sustain was nerfed, then people switched to heavy rotations, so heavies were nerfed, and light was buffed, then offbalance was changed, etc.
• Zaans was a PvE addition to fix the issue of unwanted MDKs/Mplars. Melee, magbased fire, high damage.

That’s 4 changes. Even if you were right, what about the other 50-100+ changes over the last 4 years

This is *** hilarious i love it.. then again that is coming from someone that thinks keep warefare pvp is best reserved for neckbeard larpers and that cyrodill is less srz bzns than a homeless man stealing a cardboard box.

Anything that throws a wrench in this machines cogs is A-Ok in my book if it means PvKeep Door zerg groups get thrown for a loop.


Seriously its not a big deal lol.....

clocksstoppe wrote: »

As much as that guy is an ***, he's completely right. He's doing it because ZOS is too lazy to add code on scroll drop that makes it go back to terrain if it's in water. As a developer it's your job to design a game that can't be broken by the players, because they WILL try to break it

In every game since ever. You're exactly right.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Easy fix: swimming drops the scroll.

only works if you write an algorithm to determine where on land the scroll will re-drop to. otherwise you're leaving us with the exact same problem.

and my support character with Windrunning and Rapids can sprint and jump (especially off a cliff) pretty durn far into the water, and that's without Medium Armor bonuses and Swift jewelry. way too far in for someone to not have to swim to recover something from the point where i hit the water.

there are some easy fixes conceivable here, but that isn't one of them.

Wow, I thought this thread would be about why PvE players dislike the PvP community. I'm a PvE player and don't know from dropping scrolls and such. And I don't dislike PvP players; when my bow/bow stamsorc needed to do her time in the penalty box long enough to get caltrops, she found the PvP players she was lucky enough to group with were very supportive and patient with her.

Now all that said, what I don't like about PvP is the plethora of nerfs that seem to originate there that make me dread every patch / 'update'. My PvE characters have suffered numerous nerfs that are absurd from a PvE perspective. This is not really the fault of PvP players as it is ZoS refusal to admit that PvP and PvE are incompatible. I do recall that when my elf encountered serious PvP players in Cyrodiil, they might as well have been from a different game or, heck, even a different planet. Heavy armor magic users all decked out in impen gear. . . .

I thought the scrolls reset after 30 minutes if no one touches them. Do they not reset if left in water?

The sad truth (mostly[for good reason(mostly)])

https://youtu.be/o_TH-Y78tt4?t=32m38s