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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

This is why people Hate the PVP Cyrodil Community

  • Scorpiodisc
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    I think it is hilarious. He took the ball and went home :D:D
  • PrayingSeraph
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    Hahahahaha!!!!!! I'm sorry but that's hilarious griefing right there.

    Honestly you fell for his trolling, and no amount of posts here filled with self moral superiority would change his amusement if he saw this thread.

    He didn't do anything that deserves a ban, as annoying as it may be.
  • Koronach
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    No offense but all the anti argonian racist bs you spew on these forums and an argonian trolled you? Sounds like Karma to me.
  • Shadowmaster
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    He's doing it because ZOS is too

    let me finish your statement, its

    "busy prioritizing monetization, over PvP"
  • Shadowmaster
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    And I love it when people try to defend Trolls and Griefers actions.

    ZOS defends them with their inaction.

    If the crown store got griefed the same way it would be an all-hands-on-deck fire.

  • cbaudersub17_ESO
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    So three scolls dropped in the water and large portion of the server gets razzled, goes to the waters edge, etc.

    Sounds like a tactical opportunity to me.
  • Yuke
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    At least less server lag as the blob zergs cant farm aps with those scrolls in the middle of nowhere.
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  • idk
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    OP puts this scroll trolling into the same level of obvious cheating for gain (achievements and making gold, etc.). However, does not explain how being silly, maybe a little absurd, is the same as blatant cheating.


    Please do enlighten and explain why this scroll trolling issue is a banable offense.

    It would be interesting to see what she said that stoked the replies posted in that SS.
    Edited by idk on June 16, 2018 3:08PM
  • Shadowmaster
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    idk wrote: »
    OP puts this scroll trolling into the same level of obvious cheating for gain (achievements and making gold, etc.). However, does not explain how being silly, maybe a little absurd, is the same as blatant cheating.


    Please do enlighten and explain why this scroll trolling issue is a banable offense.

    It would be interesting to see what she said that stoked the replies posted in that SS.

    Griefing other players is against TOS. Perhaps you should read them. I certainly read the forum TOS I just knowingly violated.
  • idk
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    idk wrote: »
    OP puts this scroll trolling into the same level of obvious cheating for gain (achievements and making gold, etc.). However, does not explain how being silly, maybe a little absurd, is the same as blatant cheating.


    Please do enlighten and explain why this scroll trolling issue is a banable offense.

    It would be interesting to see what she said that stoked the replies posted in that SS.

    Griefing other players is against TOS. Perhaps you should read them. I certainly read the forum TOS I just knowingly violated.

    That does not put it into the same light as cheating by any measure.

    However, are you suggesting everyone who squats on the player they just killed should be banned? That can be considered griefing other players.
  • ak_pvp
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    idk wrote: »
    OP puts this scroll trolling into the same level of obvious cheating for gain (achievements and making gold, etc.). However, does not explain how being silly, maybe a little absurd, is the same as blatant cheating.


    Please do enlighten and explain why this scroll trolling issue is a banable offense.

    It would be interesting to see what she said that stoked the replies posted in that SS.

    Griefing other players is against TOS. Perhaps you should read them. I certainly read the forum TOS I just knowingly violated.

    Killing other players is griefing isn't it. Say I am fishing in cyro, I shouldn't be killed because I don't want to be killed yes?

    No, its part of the game, as is scroll play.
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    The general issue is things like this are done entirely to ruin the play of others. That's their game and that's what they gain pleasure from doing... Note that the chief defender of said actions takes it even further than that every single day (*hint hint*) and it's no surprise if you examine the inferiority to others complex manifested as bravado.

    The only way to deal with these types is either ignore them (attention is all they are actually after) or report them in a logical fashion.

    Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but are not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within a Service, vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [i.e., all text in capitals] in an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [i.e., posting repetitive text], commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements, posting advertising or promotional messaging, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities;

    Attempting to report people with illogical or inconsequential reports yields nothing.

    Make a logical and fact based report with the grievance listed.

    From "Support" (above) you can log in and add video or screenshots to the ticket.

    They have taken action versus people in the past, but if you don't make a clear and concise report with evidence that's both logical and damning... well, they will respond with a canned response and not do anything about it.
  • Chicharron
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
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    Today I had the "pleasure" of being in the receiving end of the whole scroll griefing that goes on in cyrodil. He went and took THREE Elder scrolls far into slaughterfish waters with his argonian swimming speed so that the scrolls would be out of reach. This one person apparently is toxic in all three factions and felt invincible when doing it, just like the VAS exploiters that felt they wouldn't be banned (yet apparently scroll griefing is ok?). How is it ok for people to ruin the pvp aspect of Cyrodil for HUNDREDS of other people yet pve gets priority in bans with the whole VAS exploit. One ruins Cyrodil for hundreds of paying pvpers and another ruins bragging rights for a few talented pvers. We pvpers need to be thrown a bone man and Zos needs to be consistent among things in the TOS and do something about this or toxic people will continue ruining the game for others while laughing at zos. Also this is one of the reasons we need a faction loyalty campaign. Also add in a water detection for scrolls or something.
    [Edit to remove profane image]

    I do not do PVP and I do not hate the PVP community.

    Speak for yourself.
    Edited by Chicharron on June 16, 2018 3:35PM
  • poietin
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    Cyrodiil offers different modes of PvP; you can play campaign objectives, or you can try to kill other players in either big, small group or solo. Why are some peopel feel so entitled to play Cyrodiil in the only way they see fit? Having three scrolls in water doesn't prevent you from killing other players. Scrolls will reset eventually. Not everyone cares about campaign objectives.
  • Gilvoth
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    in this case ...

    i blame skooma.
  • Drdeath20
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    Im torn on this. It does have its strategic merit but (as seen above) can be abused very easily.
  • cbaudersub17_ESO
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    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    Im torn on this. It does have its strategic merit but (as seen above) can be abused very easily.

    If it really bothers a player, then can start a brigade that only guards a scroll.

    Are they pissed because they died to slaughterfish? Wait until they discover lava.
  • Rain_Greyraven
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    A few thoughts on this...


    As suspected the center of toxicity in this game is PVP players, not saying it's the whole ball of wax, but it is the heart so to speak.

    A lot of so called gamers are terrible people (said many times I love games but detest gamers) but console players have a special kind of Sociopathic behavior

    Despite Zenimax pretty much abandoning PVP, the small cancerous community will never ever leave because the greifing of the rest of the community by just existing is too good.

    Zenimax could end this with one line of script, or by putting the old battle grounds in a different instance and bring Cyrodil into the current ESO PVE centric model.


    The issue will not go away any time soon....the best hope the actual community has is that some up coming MMO will have a more Greifable system than ESO which will cause to small yet vocal PVP crowd to leave once and for all.

    Until then my advice is the fewer that participate the quicker it will go.
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  • Hammy01
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    Reading through this thread and you can easily spot the people who will would sell their grandma's dentures just because they thought it was funny!!

    Regardless if this is a game or not there is by far to much griefing and abuse of bugged game mechanics. Zos needs to step it up and start policing their own game because if not then as soon as some competition hits the market they will lose players... especially on consoles. I for one love ESO so I would rather them just fix the game and kick out the toxic players.
  • Rickter
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    Hey @Aliyavana - i want to try and rationalize with you a bit:

    I am one of those people that take campaign objectives seriously. I have a sense of pride and ownership for the time ive invested over in Shor. I think thats reasonable. People may not agree with that but from where i’m standing, these are my reasons and it is what it is.

    I can certainly understand the frustration of putting in the work to capture a scroll from a deep enemy keep, and en route to safety, have it taken by an enemy or worse, your own faction mate and have it run into the water so it resets at the keep you took it from. The frustration is compounded when that scroll retrieval is met with stiff opposition the whole journey. It becomes an ordeal just to get your scroll.

    But you didnt have to experience any of that. Here you are, one of the AD that chokes out and dominates the sotha sil campaign to the point where most people who arent AD dont even want to bother with the campaign, complaining about being trolled. Look at that mustard yellow smear of a map. Look at it. You troll the entire campaign every time you fight for AD on Sotha Sil.

    And you wonder why anyone would want to grief you.
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  • Glaiceana
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    I did not even know this was a thing. That is crazy!
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  • technohic
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    Wait. Is this yellow trying to get the scroll or the ones dumping it? Yellow trying to get the scrolls while having the entire map would be pretty pointless as it will just reset to s keep you already have.

    And how’d the guy get all 3? Thought you couldn’t move it if it’s in a keep you own
  • technohic
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    Fiktius wrote: »
    Hurbster wrote: »
    Minyassa wrote: »
    This is why I will never voluntarily PvP. Just knowing that it's full of people like this and people who defend them or just don't care makes the whole thing look like less fun than a quadruple root canal.

    This, so much this.

    The same I could say about PvE community and their elitists. Their attitude is one of reasons why I don't see PvE end game way too appealing, but then again it wouldn't be fair to judge entire PvE community based on some bad apples.
    Just like it wouldn't be fair to judge entire PvP community based on some bad apples. You know, we all aren't the same.

    Also what comes with trolling with scrolls, I've seen it once at Cyrodiil. Bigger group sieged keep open and tried to take the scroll, but two guys outside of the group decided to steal the scroll instead. When this bigger group decided to follow and guard these scroll carriers, instead of running, they started walking and were telling how they are superior compared to group of players and they don't need guarding, they are 1vsX players.
    So these two got exactly what they deserved: This bigger group left these guys alone and they had a chance to take 2 vs 48 against DC and EP groups. That must've been fun.

    Yeah. I can go PVP and be as bad as I want and players will gladly kill me or on my side; let me soak up a little damage. The getting upset from being zerged or using cheese sets, or teabags are nothing to the temper tantrums for showing up with the wrong weapon type meta for your class and role. And actually; I find if you don’t get all nasty back yourself; the situation defuses. You’re not kicked and blackballed from a guild
  • Sevn
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    Joshlenoir wrote: »
    dtsharples wrote: »
    'Campaign Scrolls mean nothing' - Have you been hiding under a rock Josh?
    I'd hate to see what their real life looks like :(

    Have you?
    To think there is any incentive or reward to PvP according to the map is silly. Campaign score means nothing, AP is much more important since you can still buy gear and motifs with AP which get you good setups or money.
    You know what's funny though? The people that make the most AP- are the ones who rarely play the map.
    It's so ironic that the die hard faction loyalty players who swear by their colors and only play the map don't make the most AP-, usually don't get on the top of the leaderboard (meaning no gold rewards for you), yet put in more time than those who just resource farm and kill players.
    Oh and thanks to ZoS you can play virtually any faction and still pool all your AP into the bank, encouraging people even more to faction hop.

    Keep living in your fantasy world where people take arbitrary numbers on the scoreboard and point + click brain dead siege mechanics seriously. All of that got very old after 2014. There's nothing special, strategic or difficult about amassing as many players as the game can handle just to blitz keeps and "PvP" against guards and players.

    I truly wish I could give you more than one awesome for this post. Nice to see even long time Pvper's see what even casual Pvper's like myself found to be true upon entering cyro after a few campaigns.
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  • idk
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    A lot of so called gamers are terrible people .

    This comment here seems fairly toxic in itself.

    I tend to find most I have come across are great people. There are a few that shine as having issues but that few shining bright does not reflect on the masses.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    So s(he) suicided 3x just to be a ***? Wow.
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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  • JumpmanLane
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Like who the hell cares lmao. Its not a game breaking personal grief, the scrolls reset and all is fine.This is one of the things that is good about PvP, breaking the usual pattern and having a bit of fun with mechanics.

    It was a minor act of defiance against a completely zerged down map. The entire map was Yellow. Actual PVP had ended at that point if you were AD as the other two factions were gone. People like the OP are not interested in actual PVP, they want to stack bodies at keeps, turn them into their color and high five each other back at the gate.

    For the OP, you talk about how this should be bannable due to the fact that it takes the enjoyment out of PVP for paying customers. Where is my enjoyment when, as a DC, I have your meme of an emperor and pugs stacked at Rayles or Warden? Who can I lodge a complaint with about the lack of civility and sportsmanship that entails? Or maybe I don't and I just press on getting zerged repeatedly until enough resources and keeps are starting to burst on the map that it enables a breakout. You already have called camping tri-keeps a viable strat. Sure seems what the dunking argonian did here was equally as viable. He kept members of your faction staring at scrolls in the water for...15 minutes. Theoretically time to burst a keep whilst you were all off....pvping elsewhere...

    You were on DC? Lol. I was 3 manning on EP. They took OUR keeps first. We stuck around ganking people silly. This one AD hopped on EP talking about “We NEED to take BRUMA!” I was like “You took Bruma an hour ago when you were on AD, lol.”

    He tried to lie like he wasn’t an AD all day a bit ago. I was like “You died a lot. You stood on a keep wall bow spamming a bit. Kill Counter don’t lie hehehehe”.

    I remember folks talking about the Scrolls in chat. It was a pretty boring day once the map got completely Zerged down. Even AD got bored. All these Sloads-wearing Zerglings think you’re supposed to just stand there and fall over dead when 50 of them show up.

    One of my pals got sleepy. The other went AFK. I soloed resources. It was just that boring of a day.
    Edited by JumpmanLane on June 16, 2018 6:09PM
  • D0RID0RI240
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    So s(he) suicided 3x just to be a ***? Wow.

    He got three of them seperately, in succession, and the faction let him do it each time...his man deserves an in game book placed at....I dunno...Blackboot...about his deeds
  • LordSemaj
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    So s(he) suicided 3x just to be a ***? Wow.

    He got three of them seperately, in succession, and the faction let him do it each time...his man deserves an in game book placed at....I dunno...Blackboot...about his deeds

    That's not even hard to do...

    Get your main faction to take the keep, have them kill everyone except your alt, have them take and drop the scroll, have your alt pick up the scroll, run the scroll into the water.

    What's your faction going to do about it? Murder the entire enemy faction protecting this traitor?
  • Gprime31
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    Bhaal5 wrote: »
    As all things pvp, zos dont care

    ^^ this
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