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JC Max Tier Writs = Bugged 100%
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Shadowmaster wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
Just a friendly reminder to keep all posts civil, constructive, and on topic.
Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-
@ZOS_GregoryV do you have any idea how frustrating it is to have players asking for comment from staff in a thread, only to have the staff comment be "Behave"?
Is it possible for the community to get an on-topic response as well or is that asking too much?
Yeah like fixing the top tier JC writs, and other tiers if they are as well bugged also the fact that surveys hardly drop at all anymore as well like someone said.3 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've actually gotten a lot of surveys... on my tier-1 writs (which are definitely profitable).
I have just one character doing max-tier, so I can't really comment about that due to the lack of data points.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've actually gotten a lot of surveys... on my tier-1 writs (which are definitely profitable).
I have just one character doing max-tier, so I can't really comment about that due to the lack of data points.
Yeah 15 chars a day doing max tier JC writs for me, and hardly any surveys anymore or gold grains pretty badEdited by Cpt_Teemo on June 15, 2018 2:06PM2 -
lardvader✭✭✭✭✭Most surveys drops from my tier 1 crafters but I have 14 of those to my one max tier. I've only received one gold mat from writs. The 8 others come from refining.
Regarding MW they really need to adjust those. The ones I've got will be sent to the first person who hate /w
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Mannix1958✭✭✭✭I have 9 who do JC...I get a survey a day roughly on the average. Only my maxed crafter does the surveys so they are all plat dust. When I have 5-6 I go gather up the dust and refine it...that's where my grains are dropping. Now I don't have that much so far...2 Chromium platings and like 4 more grains thus far. I hardly get any from my writ turn ins...Plus today I got a 100+ Sealed Jewelry writ that wants to use 8 platings...its stashed for now. You do realize that a survey is a survey...so if my low level crafter finds one...its banked for my higher level one to search out.Edited by Mannix1958 on June 15, 2018 2:32PM1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We need to keep this thread going so that ZOS will eventually take notice. I've bug reported this in game and will continue to do so after every maintenance that it goes unfixed. Can we at least get some confirmation that the higher ups at least know that this is an issue at all?0 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JC as it is right now is such a pita that it feels like it's been released in beta form rather than as a finished product. The fact that we require 10 grains of each tempering mat, as well as Trait mats, yet having JC master writs give so few vouchers in comparison, makes it clear that ZOS wasn't really thinking that much when they decided to go this route.
They honestly need to rework the whole Master Writ system itself, since as it is it's far too random on what is asked for compared to the number of vouchers you get. If a MW calls for a really rare Trait, like Nirnhoned, on a 7+ Trait set, in an expensive style, it had better give more than 40-50 vouchers.
As far as the thread topic itself, I don't even have my crafter to 50 in JC yet, since getting there is a slog, but considering how rare the grains for style and tempering mats are to begin with, you'd think they could at least make the drops from writs a bit more generous. I get that they don't want people running around with gold jewelry super fast or anything, but they also need to realize that MW are still a thing that require these mats, and that in the long run, people will eventually hoard mats and have fully ranked JC chars and putting this false bottleneck on the craft isn't going to make a difference in the long run except turn people away from content.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JC as it is right now is such a pita that it feels like it's been released in beta form rather than as a finished product. The fact that we require 10 grains of each tempering mat, as well as Trait mats, yet having JC master writs give so few vouchers in comparison, makes it clear that ZOS wasn't really thinking that much when they decided to go this route.
They honestly need to rework the whole Master Writ system itself, since as it is it's far too random on what is asked for compared to the number of vouchers you get. If a MW calls for a really rare Trait, like Nirnhoned, on a 7+ Trait set, in an expensive style, it had better give more than 40-50 vouchers.
As far as the thread topic itself, I don't even have my crafter to 50 in JC yet, since getting there is a slog, but considering how rare the grains for style and tempering mats are to begin with, you'd think they could at least make the drops from writs a bit more generous. I get that they don't want people running around with gold jewelry super fast or anything, but they also need to realize that MW are still a thing that require these mats, and that in the long run, people will eventually hoard mats and have fully ranked JC chars and putting this false bottleneck on the craft isn't going to make a difference in the long run except turn people away from content.
Yeah I mean I literally have done nearly 350 max tier JC writs since launch and only 2 legendary grains to show for it3 -
idrankyourbeer✭✭✭i cant believe people actually have to pay money for this experience. the grind is real.Edited by idrankyourbeer on June 16, 2018 6:27PM1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can't believe we still don't have any comment from ZOS about this issue.1 -
HereKittehKitteh✭✭✭They need to fix drop rates across the board, not just from writs. Either that or change it so plating's drop instead of grains, bringing it in line with other crafting professions.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I can't believe we still don't have any comment from ZOS about this issue.
This is the part that infuriates me the most. They don't even try to argue for and defend the controversial and widely unpopular design decisions in their implementation of JC. They can't even be bothered to say, "yes, it's unpopular, but this is why we think it's right".
If you take a controversial stance, you better have the courage to defend that stance.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I can't believe we still don't have any comment from ZOS about this issue.
This is the part that infuriates me the most. They don't even try to argue for and defend the controversial and widely unpopular design decisions in their implementation of JC. They can't even be bothered to say, "yes, it's unpopular, but this is why we think it's right".
If you take a controversial stance, you better have the courage to defend that stance.
Agreed. Even worse is technically, we don't even know if this is a bug. It's entirely possible that ZOS intends for writs to give essentially zero gold mats. It lines up with the 10 times mat cost and lack of hirelings. Because it's different than how the other equipment top tier writs work, I assume it's a bug and have been reporting it as such. This lack of communication is driving me crazy. It's almost like they don't even know how it's supposed to work and are trying to find the guy in the office that does know and it's taking weeks to track him down.5 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I can't believe we still don't have any comment from ZOS about this issue.
This is the part that infuriates me the most. They don't even try to argue for and defend the controversial and widely unpopular design decisions in their implementation of JC. They can't even be bothered to say, "yes, it's unpopular, but this is why we think it's right".
If you take a controversial stance, you better have the courage to defend that stance.
Their refusal to engage in conversations about any controversial decision started with crown crates and has expanded to everything else becoming progressively worse and worse as time has gone on.
That bunker mentality is particularly infuriating when they do it on the test server which is there presumably to test and get feedback on new things.
8 weeks and counting since JC first went on the PTS and no developer has shown any inclination to explain/defend why they think the 10:1 difference for JC upgrades or the extra rarity of golden grain drops from writs is a good idea.Edited by Iselin on June 17, 2018 5:38PM5 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Doing 3 a day and has 8 something surveys. Level 30 on main, 7 on the two others who mainly feed main with jewelry for deconstruct.LadyLethalla wrote: »I've been doing 4 JC writs per day since Summerset dropped on console; only got my first "survey" yesterday (and thank goodness for UESP.net, says I) compared to the multiple stash of all other surveys from 2 characters doing full equipment/consumables every day and 2 just doing JC and consumables.
That seems skewed as well.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭Don't you just love when you're roaming through the forums and see a topic you care about with a little "Z" next to the title. I started to think they had addressed the drop rates, but, low and behold, it was just a ZOS comment reminding us to be civil...9 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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This, tempers will stay 10x the price for other tempers if not higher as it look like drop rate is lower at least for refining.Yep, doing 10 JC writs every day since launch, just got first master writ yesterday....
...over a million golds worth of mats for a hundred vouchers! Ermmmm.... no!
And due to the way JC works it will never be viable in its current format.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭
This, tempers will stay 10x the price for other tempers if not higher as it look like drop rate is lower at least for refining.Yep, doing 10 JC writs every day since launch, just got first master writ yesterday....
...over a million golds worth of mats for a hundred vouchers! Ermmmm.... no!
And due to the way JC works it will never be viable in its current format.
the saddest part of this statement is how long it will take to complete the achievement for turning a purple piece of jewelry into a gold one on the crafting achievement page...1 -
LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
✭As abysmal as the Survey drops are (have now had a total of 2), the drop rate of the trait jewels from Undaunted Chests seems to be worse. 60+ keys, nada. Not even the set shoulders I wanted, either. >.<
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyLethalla wrote: »I've been doing 4 JC writs per day since Summerset dropped on console; only got my first "survey" yesterday (and thank goodness for UESP.net, says I) compared to the multiple stash of all other surveys from 2 characters doing full equipment/consumables every day and 2 just doing JC and consumables.
That seems skewed as well.
i havent had issues with survey drop rates. 26 so far. 6 toons per day since it was available.
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Mirelurk✭✭✭✭I have had six toons doing JC writs daily since day 1. One has been doing max level writs from about day 7.
I've gotten one gold mat in all that time from writs.
Jewellry crafting writs are essentially pointless apart from the chance at surveys, but that doesn't really make it worthwhile.
I'll still keep my max level guy to make stuff for me and my friends but I won't bother chasing it on alts.
Jewellry crafting has turned from exciting to disappointing very quickly.
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