Sooo AOE cap is swapped to AOE Stacking?

Vilestride · May 2018

Thogard wrote: »

I like earthgore.

Without earthgore, we wouldn't be able to spot bad players.

No respectable groups on PC NA run it or use it. Only the zergs, beginners, and faction stackers.

So it's nice for me to be able to identify them so easily.

"Oh look, that player has come to terms with their mediocrity, and they've put on a set to help them compete with people more skilled than them."

Good on them, says I. Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up, so I'm glad we have earthgore proccing to let us readily identify ESO's burger flippers.

(No offense to actual burger flippers)

Yeah but Meta is meta. It's hard to get past that.

IxSTALKERxI · May 2018

Crown wrote: »

A really good group with good cross heals doesn't even need a healer.

I've tried this and it's still no where near as good as having a healer.

This fight was with no healer and only earthgore, cauterize and mutagen to survive lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5oBqV1UO-M

Healers are everything.

zyk · May 2018

Thogard wrote: »

I like earthgore warden.

Without earthgore warden, we wouldn't be able to spot bad players.

No respectable groups on PC NA run it or use it. Only the zergs, beginners, and faction stackers.

So it's nice for me to be able to identify them so easily.

"Oh look, that player has come to terms with their mediocrity, and they've put on a set to help them compete with people more skilled than them."

Good on them, says I. Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up, so I'm glad we have earthgore warden proccing shalking to let us readily identify ESO's burger flippers.

(No offense to actual burger flippers)

frozywozy · May 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

frozywozy · May 2018

Anazasi wrote: »

Group leaders over the past several years have argued capping organized groups at 16 @crown idea or that groups make a conscious effort to spread out over the map @frozywozy idea.

I believe that the idea to aim for a 16men group was also my idea. I don't recall Crown ever supporting this concept. He has been known to run in large raids since he first started "leading and organizing his faction" as he liked to describe himself.

TheValar85 · May 2018

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

thank you the advice

but my rig is not the problem. it hase nothing to do with it. btw i have mentioned my rig is more then capable to handle recomended reqs 8 times stronger.

frozywozy · May 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

thank you the advice but my rig is not the problem. it hase nothing to do with it. btw i have mentioned my rig is more then capable to handle recomended reqs 8 times stronger.

What is your processor? Do you confirm that you run the game with the graphic settings mentioned above?

TheValar85 · May 2018

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

thank you the advice but my rig is not the problem. it hase nothing to do with it. btw i have mentioned my rig is more then capable to handle recomended reqs 8 times stronger.

What is your processor? Do you confirm that you run the game with the graphic settings mentioned above?

My cpu is : Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-8867 v4.

And yes i tried your suggestion, but eh it loosk so ugly

frozywozy · May 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

thank you the advice but my rig is not the problem. it hase nothing to do with it. btw i have mentioned my rig is more then capable to handle recomended reqs 8 times stronger.

What is your processor? Do you confirm that you run the game with the graphic settings mentioned above?

My cpu is : Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-8867 v4.

And yes i tried your suggestion, but eh it loosk so ugly

Ok so your problem is not that you cannot run the game smoothly. The problem is that your graphic expectations are too high for what the game can support right now. Looks like your final options are the following :

1) Buy a 2k or 4k monitor so you can run the game in a decent resolution (game looks great even with graphic settings mentioned above)

2) Uninstall the game

TheValar85 · May 2018

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

This is clearly an exploit.Not just in latency but the Frames drop from 60 to 1. Do you understand that? 60 To 1. i have even no clue how in earth tehy could even magane to move together.

My frames haven't moved under 30 in at least a year, and that's while streaming in 960p. Otherwise I'm at 42+ frames with 100players on the screen. You should probably consider upgrading your processor next black friday.

Also, make sure you are running the game with the following graphic settings :

- Texture Quality : Medium
- Shadow Quality : Low
- All particle settings : Minimum
- View distance : Minimum
- Ambient Occlusion and Dept of Field : Off

Then if you want the game to look great, get a 2k / 4k monitor and run the game in 1440p or 2160p.

Hope that helps!

thank you the advice but my rig is not the problem. it hase nothing to do with it. btw i have mentioned my rig is more then capable to handle recomended reqs 8 times stronger.

What is your processor? Do you confirm that you run the game with the graphic settings mentioned above?

My cpu is : Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-8867 v4.

And yes i tried your suggestion, but eh it loosk so ugly

Ok so your problem is not that you cannot run the game smoothly. The problem is that your graphic expectations are too high for what the game can support right now. Looks like your final options are the following :

1) Buy a 2k or 4k monitor so you can run the game in a decent resolution (game looks great even with graphic settings mentioned above)

2) Uninstall the game

Right i will do when i got my sallary, but the game is freshly instaled, it is not even a month ago.

Ender1310 · May 2018

I just think its an unsavory looking style to play. Makes me wish there was collision so you couldn't squash 20 people together in one space. I played in a ball group once and zomg its follow crown. Drop ultimate now. Follow crown. They are like dumb herd animals. They are effective. They are however asthetically unappealing. But ZOS isn't responsible for this. Human beings exploit and figure out the best way to get from point a to point b all the time. Looking at Wrobles posts and some of the other developers I am sure that they aren't trying to encourage these crown humpers.

Ender1310 · May 2018

Negate is the perfect counter to these groups. I am not sure why they need a counter to this counter. Besides move really fast to the right. I hate to say it because I love the animation earth gore needs to go. I am not a fan of ball groups. They are so good. Much respect. But there should be a hard counter to them. Negate seems to be the thing.

frozywozy · May 2018

Ender1310 wrote: »

I just think its an unsavory looking style to play. Makes me wish there was collision so you couldn't squash 20 people together in one space. I played in a ball group once and zomg its follow crown. Drop ultimate now. Follow crown. They are like dumb herd animals. They are effective. They are however asthetically unappealing. But ZOS isn't responsible for this. Human beings exploit and figure out the best way to get from point a to point b all the time. Looking at Wrobles posts and some of the other developers I am sure that they aren't trying to encourage these crown humpers.

If you don't like it, maybe Cyrodiil large scale PvP is not made for you. I don't believe that the main goal of Zenimax was to release a 500vs500vs500 instance pvp at release with a multitude of small skirmishes all across the map. You would probably have more fun doing battlegrounds or to move in another game where battlegrounds are even bigger.

Vilestride · May 2018

Ender1310 wrote: »

I just think its an unsavory looking style to play. Makes me wish there was collision so you couldn't squash 20 people together in one space. I played in a ball group once and zomg its follow crown. Drop ultimate now. Follow crown. They are like dumb herd animals. They are effective. They are however asthetically unappealing. But ZOS isn't responsible for this. Human beings exploit and figure out the best way to get from point a to point b all the time. Looking at Wrobles posts and some of the other developers I am sure that they aren't trying to encourage these crown humpers.

If it wasn't their intent they would've made the group size 24. If they intended on groups of 24 but not organization within those groups then they are dumber than I imagined.

Anazasi · May 2018

Ender1310 wrote: »

I just think its an unsavory looking style to play. Makes me wish there was collision so you couldn't squash 20 people together in one space. I played in a ball group once and zomg its follow crown. Drop ultimate now. Follow crown. They are like dumb herd animals. They are effective. They are however asthetically unappealing. But ZOS isn't responsible for this. Human beings exploit and figure out the best way to get from point a to point b all the time. Looking at Wrobles posts and some of the other developers I am sure that they aren't trying to encourage these crown humpers.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, Organized group play is the hardest playstyle in this game. Getting 24 people to follow crown is the easiest part. Getting 24 players to be on the right class with the right builds, practicing self control on when and what to do based on the uncertainty of your opponent actions. Reading the map, moving to the right objective at the right speed and then quickly making a plan that might or might not work to engage, counter, or retreat is the most complex aspect of organized play. The fact that in PVE you can grab 2 healers 2 tanks and 8 DPS and go run a dungeon that has the same mechanics with the same boss fights that all have the same about of resists is simple compared to the fact that opponent can counter every move another group does. I would love to see an intelligent AI Boss counter a raid in trial.

If you are not seeing this then you just haven't had the right experience yet.

Sandman929 · May 2018

Ender1310 wrote: »

I just think its an unsavory looking style to play. Makes me wish there was collision so you couldn't squash 20 people together in one space. I played in a ball group once and zomg its follow crown. Drop ultimate now. Follow crown. They are like dumb herd animals. They are effective. They are however asthetically unappealing. But ZOS isn't responsible for this. Human beings exploit and figure out the best way to get from point a to point b all the time. Looking at Wrobles posts and some of the other developers I am sure that they aren't trying to encourage these crown humpers.

It sounds more like you've been in an poorly attempted ball group once, if that's what you think it means to run in a coordinated raid.

Sanct16 · May 2018

Crown wrote: »

On the topic of Earthgore, I still believe it's one of the more powerful sets if it's used correctly. A group of 6-10 can easily get by with one healer if there's one or two others running it. A really good group with good cross heals doesn't even need a healer.

@Crown

What do you consider "correct use" of earthgore tho?

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

Sanct16 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

On the topic of Earthgore, I still believe it's one of the more powerful sets if it's used correctly. A group of 6-10 can easily get by with one healer if there's one or two others running it. A really good group with good cross heals doesn't even need a healer.

@Crown

What do you consider "correct use" of earthgore tho?

The correct use of Earthgore is to use it as an object lesson of how NOT to construct a gear set.

Sureshawt · May 2018

Yea there was a vocal group of players in this game that argued for removing AoE caps and that would be good for the game. ZoS bought this argument and your screenshot shows the obvious result.

Ball groups of players moving around together mindlessly mashing AoE buttons and they call it skillful and fun PvP.....LOL...What a joke.

I just leave the area or logoff when I see this stupidity.

OGLezard · May 2018

My head hurts trying to read this......

Reminds me of the days when people said there were guilds dedicated to casting healing springs tucked away in a corner away from any sign of other players just to lag the servers.

Or the time when people were saying that there was a player who used a modified exe file to cause ddos on people other than his teammates lol

Cant we just accept that the servers are crap? People are trying to play how zos promoted the games pvp, and this is what happens when you get servers from the dollar store lulz

Prince_of_all_Pugs · May 2018

VinayExile wrote: »

Complains about a aoe spamming zerg but is in a 20 man group himself xD just lmao.

Open your eyes and see the truth kid, just because they spam aoe isn't the reason you lose or the lag.
Seeing your stats on that sorc and to what skills you're using makes you loose. Dont blame it on the server now because the organized groups lag too.

not all 20 man groups are strong, many are just weak players banding together in order to survive. if his group is like this i can see why AOE ball groups would crush his 20 man raid. When running a raid you gotta make sure you have AOE DEFILE, AOE Snares or roots and AOE damage. if you dont have these 3 basic things , your poor healers are healing a worthless group waiting to be farmed by everyone.

Hammy01 · May 2018

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

VaranisArano · May 2018

Hammy01 wrote: »

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

How does that square with the Cyrodiil game mode which is designed for groups of 2 to 24 players, and was originally intended for large scale combat between groups of 8 to 24 players?

It doesnt.

Cyrodiil is and always was intended for large scale combat and group play. It deliberately favors the large, organized groups it was designed for.

Its just a shame that the servers cant support that original vision anymore from the technical side.

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2018

Hammy01 wrote: »

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

you realize that if you had 10 people in a group you'd be at 0%. just saying.

Rianai · May 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

you realize that if you had 10 people in a group you'd be at 0%. just saying.

It's ok, single target skills would still work, so Xvs1 won't get hampered ...

Hammy01 · May 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

you realize that if you had 10 people in a group you'd be at 0%. just saying.

Loll... You are correct! I was thinking more of the reverse of what skills current skills do now (IE when your target is below 30% health this skill does 300% more damage) but not to the point it did nothing at all. Plus I was just giving a quick example off the top of my head.

However my point still stands and that is that aoe heals and dps is way to strong in groups. I also realize that Cyrodiil is meant for large scale pvp and that is one thing I really like about it. But lowering the effectiveness of Aoe dps and heals depending on group size does not mean you can't group up like always... It just means you actually have aim and target people rather than spam one or two buttons for the win!!

TheValar85 · May 2018

Hammy01 wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Zos should just change AOEs so that for every person that is grouped with you makes your aoe dps and heals 10% less effective in pvp... So if you are in a 24 man group you aoe dps and heals are 240% less effective!!

you realize that if you had 10 people in a group you'd be at 0%. just saying.

Loll... You are correct! I was thinking more of the reverse of what skills current skills do now (IE when your target is below 30% health this skill does 300% more damage) but not to the point it did nothing at all. Plus I was just giving a quick example off the top of my head.

However my point still stands and that is that aoe heals and dps is way to strong in groups. I also realize that Cyrodiil is meant for large scale pvp and that is one thing I really like about it. But lowering the effectiveness of Aoe dps and heals depending on group size does not mean you can't group up like always... It just means you actually have aim and target people rather than spam one or two buttons for the win!!

Like they do actualy.

i dont want aoe nerfs at all, because that will effect the PVE as well. And i dont want rants from teh pve players. the only solution to fix this will be to reduce every aoe Effectivness in PVP zones(only) in ball groups for 50% (yes i said 50% like it or not)

And btw i am not the only one whos got realy fustrated when it comes for these types of groups, everyone in Cyrodiil who had to face them all suffer from the same preforemance issues and frame dropps as well, and lags as well. The AD zone chat in Cyrdoiil is filled with swears, hatreds, fustartion, and so on towards ZOS, and the rest of the angers goes to teh ball groups becasue they are directly cousing performance, frame and latency issues with this actions.

Don't defend them they know these facts quiet well. In time the same will go on in battle grounds as well

how every not in that large number

but the AOE stacking still an issue wich needs to be dealth with only in PVP enviroment.

MaximillianDiE · May 2018

The thing about ball groups is except for a couple of the really top ones that are still left in this game, they move like lumbering hippos so you just have to be nimble and avoid the head of the group where the damage is focussed. Again if they aren't really on their game there are always a couple of fat kids who fall behind and you can cc away from their healers and kill quickly before the crown realises that they're down which can be rinsed and repeated until attrition wears them down. The trick to taking on a ball group is not taking it on head on or in a defensible position. A couple of vets with knowledge of how this play style works in or surfing a zerg can really mess them up (at least until their Earthgore's pop and a 2 piece set saves their day...). Zergs have so many more skills at their disposal than they used to have to take on the larger organised groups giving how much mobility has been stripped away during the course of the game.

Sandman929 · May 2018

What ball groups are out there hunting these poor solo and small group players? Who are these monsters that bring their 16-20 person lag to the quiet countryside where an unsuspecting 3-4 person squad is subjected to their terrible lag? Normally, if a ball group is around doing ball group stuff in your area, it's because there's 50-60 of your faction mates nearby, and guess what; you're part of that zerg even if you're in your comfy OP high-skill small man group or you're a super cool 1vXing uber ganker.
They aren't after you, but you're in the pack that they are after. And if you think it's their numbers that are hurting your performance, take a look at the numbers of the people they're fighting....yourself included.

DivineFirstYOLO · May 2018

Sandman929 wrote: »

What ball groups are out there hunting these poor solo and small group players? Who are these monsters that bring their 16-20 person lag to the quiet countryside where an unsuspecting 3-4 person squad is subjected to their terrible lag? Normally, if a ball group is around doing ball group stuff in your area, it's because there's 50-60 of your faction mates nearby, and guess what; you're part of that zerg even if you're in your comfy OP high-skill small man group or you're a super cool 1vXing uber ganker.
They aren't after you, but you're in the pack that they are after. And if you think it's their numbers that are hurting your performance, take a look at the numbers of the people they're fighting....yourself included.

100% this, finally somebody said it.. ball groups hunt zergs..that's their only reason to play...there is no need to have 16 players in an organized group to go for low numbers since the AP gain and fun is close to 0.
So if you want to get rid off ball groups go spread a little bit more (you have the whole map to play, not only ales-chal, brk-alessia, ash-roe), stop being a noobie sheep that follows the herd. That way ball groups can go back to small scale again..