Casdha wrote: »

I'm guessing that you are gonna wait until folks get bored with jewelry to have daily writs for them, or are they gonna be in a different place than the other writs?

I did a jewelry writ last night right after getting certified; it came off the same board as smith/wood/cloth. You do have to be certified by the guy in Alinor before you can get the writs.

The lack of nodes reminds me of when Wrothgar came out and we had to farm the Imperial city for cp160 gear to deconstruct for materials.

Edaphon wrote: »

Seam nodes and ore nodes share their spawn locations. You need to farm ore and hope that the next time a node pops up at that same location it's a seam and not ore again.

It's really annoying and should be changed. Seams need to have their own spawn points.

Wow did that with 2 types of ores.one more rare than the other in one expansion. Problem is you harvest the common ore and then what..sit around waiting for a respawn and hope it's the rare one ? Or go on your farming route hoping that the rare one is there when you get back ? It was pretty horrible trying to farm and that rare ore was pretty pricy to buy.

To all those fearing about the rarity of jewelry nodes : don't forget we're on PTS. Hardly anybody farms on PTS (since it's pretty pointless), as a result nodes are less renewed and there's less turnover. There's a bias here.

I may be in the minority here, but I personally am encouraged by the apparent increased level of grind. As a disclaimer, I currently only own gold jewelry that I have purchased from The Golden merchant, don't PvP, and don't do vet trials to acquire it that way. So, no, I'm not someone worried about gold jewelry flooding the market and making those latter endeavors worthless.

I'm someone who gets bored by content that comes too easily, and enjoys the challenge of striving to reach a goal. If that goal is handed over a silver platter, suddenly it doesn't seem as appealing. This will punish me, more so than the dedicated players who can put in hours and hours of time to farm and grind the style as I only have, at max, 2-2.5 hours a day to play. And, honestly, I think that's fine.

I have never had a choice in what gold jewelry I have access to. I'm reliant on The Golden's RNG to give me what I want, and even then, I can barely afford it as is. Just the hope that jewelry crafting brings is enough to keep me plugging away and out there searching for that next seam, or that next green ring from a dolmen to deconstruct. New players and those without Summerset will suddenly have a market for all their trash set, low level, blue and green rings that currently get sold to the npc merchants or simply left behind to despawn in chests and corpses around Tamriel.

I think the secondary markets for this will be incredible. Will it hurt the pockets of the impatient whales who want to be level 50 Jewelry Masters in a couple days? Sure, but it will benefit a much larger portion of the population who can profit from the raw mats and jewelry. And based on your feedback, which if I may say, may be a little preemptive since you've only had access for a little over 24 hours, this bullish (<---- Wall Street term, not disguised vulgarity) market will continue for quite some time as the grind appears to be real.

Just relax, take it as it comes, and don't expect everything in ESO to be instant gratification.


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Feric51 wrote: »

I may be in the minority here, but I personally am encouraged by the apparent increased level of grind. As a disclaimer, I currently only own gold jewelry that I have purchased from The Golden merchant, don't PvP, and don't do vet trials to acquire it that way. So, no, I'm not someone worried about gold jewelry flooding the market and making those latter endeavors worthless.

I'm someone who gets bored by content that comes too easily, and enjoys the challenge of striving to reach a goal. If that goal is handed over a silver platter, suddenly it doesn't seem as appealing. This will punish me, more so than the dedicated players who can put in hours and hours of time to farm and grind the style as I only have, at max, 2-2.5 hours a day to play. And, honestly, I think that's fine.

I have never had a choice in what gold jewelry I have access to. I'm reliant on The Golden's RNG to give me what I want, and even then, I can barely afford it as is. Just the hope that jewelry crafting brings is enough to keep me plugging away and out there searching for that next seam, or that next green ring from a dolmen to deconstruct. New players and those without Summerset will suddenly have a market for all their trash set, low level, blue and green rings that currently get sold to the npc merchants or simply left behind to despawn in chests and corpses around Tamriel.

I think the secondary markets for this will be incredible. Will it hurt the pockets of the impatient whales who want to be level 50 Jewelry Masters in a couple days? Sure, but it will benefit a much larger portion of the population who can profit from the raw mats and jewelry. And based on your feedback, which if I may say, may be a little preemptive since you've only had access for a little over 24 hours, this bullish (<---- Wall Street term, not disguised vulgarity) market will continue for quite some time as the grind appears to be real.

Just relax, take it as it comes, and don't expect everything in ESO to be instant gratification.


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I understand your point and agree in principle. Time will tell whether it's too grindy or not. Plus, we all know that they loosened up on the difficulty of acquiring ruby mats and nirn after the first few months, so they may make some adjustments initially, prior to launch, or even after a few months. Wouldn't be surprised that the grind gets reduced further when it becomes a base game feature next year (making an assumption here, but it seems likely).

I know I'm in the minority here, but I was actually disappointed when they made leveling enchanting easier. I remember the days when the needle barely moved, but you were still able to keep up with your character level pretty easily. Also, when they reduced the grind, they also reduced the power of enchants. On my new Warden, all I did was have him decon every glyph I got from all of my crafting writs. So, just green glyphs of CP150, level 1, and level 40. Also, any trash white glyphs. Now, I wasn't in a hurry with him to get to level 50, so it did take several months, but that would never have been possible with the old grind. I remember swapping blue/purple glyphs with my spouse and it still seemed to take forever.

So, I agree that I don't want jewelry crafting to be as easy as, say, blacksmithing, but I don't want the grind to be so bad that players start fighting with each other and things get ugly. Competition is fine, but if availability is too scarce, it will only bring out the worst in most players. If the grind is too frustrating, many players who were excited for the system may just abandon it altogether. There must be a balance, and I'm sure that's something they are monitoring closely on PTS. I think our feedback is critical.

@Jayne_Doe I agree that there is a fine line between a good grind that encourages prolonged interaction, and one that spawns futility and abandonment.

I fully anticipated an upper-level severity just because the potential impacts jewelry crafting has towards other end-game aspects (vet trials, rewards of the worthy, golden merchant) that no other newly implemented feature of the game has created. The key here is to allow a perceptible progression forward for each player, even if it’s just at a crawl. As long as drama are visible and there’s a respectable return of materials and inspiration from deconstruction, then that should ease some tensions because at least we can see advancements.

What I don’t want to see is the crafting version of Buoyant Armiger - where players begin to even question if it exists in the game at all. I think a fair market value of gold upgrade bars should stabilize at 25-40k each. But wait, doesn’t that mean that it will cost between 200-320k per jewel? Yep! And I also remember a time about 18 months ago when tempering alloys went for that amount too! There’s only 3 jewel pieces to upgrade per setup, so I don’t teally think that’s too extreme.

If potent nirncrux are 13k average right now (XB-NA) then a grind about twice as hard per gold temper would be the benchmark if shoot for if I were ZOS.

Just my two pennies.

@ZOS_GinaBruno My feedback is:

Jewelry Crafting Traits:

• Protective: Increases Physical and Spell Resistance, and Critical Resistance.
  The value could be between 5 and 10%. This Trait would help both PvP and PvE, wearing light, medium and heavy.

I have not found Jewelry crafting Stations in the beginning areas, such as BleakRock, khenarthi's roost. The ration of seems is very low. I would find about 6 of any other crafting material to 1 seem. For example, I found 6 to 10 Blacksmithing nodes but only 3 Pewter seems near Mistral.

So, one of the (few) main features of the Chapter is locked behind a grind, so it will be hard to actually get to use what we paid for.

Why am I buying this Chapter, again? A couple hours of main quest, a Trial, jewelry crafting, and a skill line?

Just out of curiosity, anyone who either farmed or just happened to pick up some jewels: did they contain traits on them? I ask because the only traited jewels I got were from the bosses/geysers at the end where they were set pieces. I think it was a Gloomy purple ring or maybe a Vanus ring. But in regular trait (healthy, robust, arcane).

Everything else that was stolen or found in containers was untraited, even the green items. And didn't get any blue items at all, just mostly the white ones and like 2 greens. That might be because of having a low jewelcraft number right now and no skill points into it past a beginner stage.

Agonizingly slow, frustrating and tedious system. Nodes need to be tuned up to 11 (compared to where they are now). It just can’t launch in this state.

Also, if you’re going to fleece us with the scrolls to expedite the process—which is clearly the intent (to boost crown sales of the scrolls)—at least make the levelling and acquisition of the materials less painless, so that the process can, you know, be EXPIDITED. What’s the point of research scrolls for a process that moves at an artificially lethargic pace? That’s not incentivizing even to people who spend money.

Love so much of this new content, but this is easily a (very) sore spot.

I think you have gone overboard with making jewellery crafting mats rare. I understand that you want to make them rarer than usual mats but it's too much. All the improvement and trait mats have to be refined from 10 other components, so just with that you have made them all 10 times rarer than all other improvement and trait mats. But then you also have limited/specialized methods to get trait materials, no hireling, less of a material return from writs and from what I can tell deconstruction, AND less nodes appearing in the world. It's far too much, the 10 times rarity from having to refine powders to get the improvement mats would be sufficient to make it much rarer to get then all the other materials.