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Red Mountain new stam dps meta?
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what about this? is this better? will it stuck with RM?
item from PTS
the tooltip proc damage not changed if your stamina or magicka changed
strangeEdited by Lumbermill_Emperor on September 7, 2016 3:15PM0 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭I've tested it and it's doesn't have any that significant DPS difference.
Red Mountain:
- 10% Chance, proc on all weapon attacks (weapon abilitys, weapon light/heavy attack, as well as DoT's from weapons will proc each tick)
- 8000 Damage
Way of The Fire:
- 20% Chance, proc on weapon abilities only
- Roughly half of the damage
So basically WoTF you have double the chance, but half of the the damage of RM. But I guess depends on the build as well.I'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Godot Community site.0 -
LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭I estimate WoTF to have about 50% less total dmg output than RM in an average fight with hail and rapid strikes and because of that its not even close to being a good set.
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Agalloch✭✭✭✭✭How about using Spriggan http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spriggan's+Thorns+Set with RM ?
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Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭Curious about running Krahg, NMG/TBS then RM daggers + jewelry. Did you do any parses to compare it to vipers etc?Edited by Ajaxduo on October 16, 2016 2:48AM- - -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm stuck,I got gold vo jewels today, also got my last 2 pcs of red mountain.I've been running spriggans with tbs. Help me decide!!!1 -
LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »How about using Spriggan http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spriggan's+Thorns+Set with RM ?
Thanks!
Since RM doesnt work with physical penetration spriggan+RM has a bad synergy.
Better go VO or TBS to boost RM output even further.
Kragh seems to be meta.
RM+TBS, VO+TBS or VO+RM are still the way to go.
I'm running 560k+ vMSA runs with RM+VO+Kragh atm, andy S top world vMSA is also using RM+VO last time I checked.
Viper is just terrible in PVE.Edited by LEGENDARYYY on October 18, 2016 10:12PMCP capped.
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Agalloch✭✭✭✭✭Thanks for your answers ..but I have another question:
Would be viable leviathan http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Leviathan+Set + RM + Kragh?
Thanks a lot!Edited by Agalloch on October 19, 2016 8:22AM0 -
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LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭Question. Does 5th piece proc on destro staff la/ha and crushing shock? It says weapon damage and those are weapon damage ^.^
weapon abilities yeahCP capped.
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pizzaow✭✭✭What's the best poor-man's accompaniment for Red Mountain in PvE (with DW and Bow)?
I'm assuming BiS is Kra'ghs, Viscous Ophidian jewelry and malestrom weapons.
However, it's going to be a while until I have the VO and Malestrom options, so I'd like to put together an easier to obtain set.
How would you rank NMG, Leviathan, Spriggans, Hundings, 3- Agility and weapons, or something I haven't listed? Also, what kind of DPS drop would you expect to see with this compared to BiS?XBox/NA GT: Pizzaow0 -
Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
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MaselClass RepresentativeI've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
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✭✭✭✭✭I've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
In PvP been seeing it more and more. Got me thinking about it again. In BGs it is still strong0 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread dieDO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0
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MaselClass RepresentativeSmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
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Cybercore_Death✭✭✭Don’t let this thread die.
I’m a Dunmer Stam DK.
I run Sunderflame, Red Mountain and Vel.
I hit 30k self buffed and 40k group buffed. That’s without correct weapon traits, and no Master / vMA Bow.
The proc rate for RM is ridiculous. It’s pretty much always up on cooldown (not to mention the volcanos look cool af when they go off).
This set is still viable and is fairly easy to grind / cheap to buy as well. I’ve also done tests with RM and Spriggans as well as RM and hundings and get the same DPS results. Will be testing with Morag Tong as well later this week then playing build details once ive made weapon trait changes.I'm a Dunmer DK Damage Dealer - My that's a lot of D's2 -
boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭Yep. I run Red Mountain and Hundings after discovering @Masel92 's build and @Cybercore_Death also runs it as well.
It may not be meta rn but I have seen several folks using it in alik'r dolmens. The volcanos proc like crazy and it looks awesome.
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✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
Stamina warden dummy parse:
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MaselClass RepresentativeSmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
Stamina warden dummy parse:
WoF is much better than Red Mountain and the proc is much more reliable.
No. It is a heavy armor set, which makes you lose stats and damage. In PvP you might be right, but not in PvE.PC EU
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✭I've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
How does briarhart stack up next to RM? I’m thinking stamblade and stamsorc.0 -
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✭✭Colecovision wrote: »I've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
How does briarhart stack up next to RM? I’m thinking stamblade and stamsorc.
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MaselClass RepresentativeColecovision wrote: »I've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
How does briarhart stack up next to RM? I’m thinking stamblade and stamsorc.
Its Mechanical Acuity or nothing on Stamblade atm
You could use RM+Acuity+Stormfist for a really special build
Should still dish out sufficient deeps.. PC EU
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SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
Stamina warden dummy parse:
WoF is much better than Red Mountain and the proc is much more reliable.
No. It is a heavy armor set, which makes you lose stats and damage. In PvP you might be right, but not in PvE.
Way of Fire is a significantly better set, especially considering Red Mtn delay and potential for a boss to simply move out of its range. And what, never heard of using jewelry/weapon’s from a heavy set? I guess that’s why Alkosh sucks for tanks, because it’s medium armor...
Any why ruin the utility of mechanical acutity by running it with a proc set that is incapable of critical damage?Edited by SmellyUnlimited on March 19, 2018 11:46PMDO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeSmellyUnlimited wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
Stamina warden dummy parse:
WoF is much better than Red Mountain and the proc is much more reliable.
No. It is a heavy armor set, which makes you lose stats and damage. In PvP you might be right, but not in PvE.
Way of Fire is a significantly better set, especially considering Red Mtn delay and potential for a boss to simply move out of its range. And what, never heard of using jewelry/weapon’s from a heavy set? I guess that’s why Alkosh sucks for tanks, because it’s medium armor...
Any why ruin the utility of mechanical acutity by running it with a proc set that is incapable of critical damage?
WoF jewellery is still healthy man, that's why I said you lose stats. You can use two weapons + two heavy pieces and one ring/necklace, but that'll lose you dps. Post me a dps parse with wotf that outparses red mountain, then I'll believe you. Always deliver proof for claims you make here. I know what I'm talking about here, and opposed to you for example, I back my claims up with parses...
Red mountain range is 28m and it'll always hit the closest enemy, in a trial I didn't have a single encounter where it missed,. Red mountain has half the proc chance but no cooldown and hits harder. Especially the lack of a cooldown makes it stronger than wotf, which is technically limited in the amount of dps it does..
As for acuity + rm, simply doesn't matter. I said that it was a special build and nowhere claimed it'll be ideal, but with many other sets you'll also have critical bonuses that diminish the bonus from the acuity 5pc.Edited by Masel on March 20, 2018 12:01AMPC EU
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✭✭Colecovision wrote: »I've been using RM
Red mountain just does more dps in a real fight scenario. It was better when the damage was instant but it can still be a really nice set to use.SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »Sorry for necro-ing thread...
Why is Viper's Sting worse than Red Mountain?
From what I can see
They deal around the same proc damage, but Viper's Sting has double the cooldown.
However, Viper's Sting is a guaranteed proc.
Also, Viper's Sting can proc off ANY melee attack, while Red Mountain is any weapon ABILITY (though it means it can proc off ranged abilities)
But Viper's Sting is Poison Damage so it scales with CP while Red Mountain is Flame Damage so it doesn't scale with most Stam DPS CP.
Anyone explain this to me?
How does briarhart stack up next to RM? I’m thinking stamblade and stamsorc.
Its Mechanical Acuity or nothing on Stamblade atm
You could use RM+Acuity+Stormfist for a really special build Should still dish out sufficient deeps..
I mean you could, but not on Stamblade... Velidreth, Mechanical Acuity and War Machine are just perfect for the bursty nature of the class, and on top of that, this setup also provides group support.
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SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »His post was from 2016. Red Mountain sucks on stam now, let this stupid thread die
Yeah totally sucks now, 3k dps from front bar only is complete garbage. Here's a parse from vMoL in CWC with a top score raidguild.
This is the single target selected on zhaj, it did about 800 more in total. It is a really strong set, not meta, but also not "stupid" as you say. You seem to, like many players nowadays, follow the "BiS or nothing" mentality, following others without testing...
Stamina warden dummy parse:
WoF is much better than Red Mountain and the proc is much more reliable.
No. It is a heavy armor set, which makes you lose stats and damage. In PvP you might be right, but not in PvE.
Way of Fire is a significantly better set, especially considering Red Mtn delay and potential for a boss to simply move out of its range. And what, never heard of using jewelry/weapon’s from a heavy set? I guess that’s why Alkosh sucks for tanks, because it’s medium armor...
Any why ruin the utility of mechanical acutity by running it with a proc set that is incapable of critical damage?
WoF jewellery is still healthy man, that's why I said you lose stats. You can use two weapons + two heavy pieces and one ring/necklace, but that'll lose you dps. Post me a dps parse with wotf that outparses red mountain, then I'll believe you. Always deliver proof for claims you make here. I know what I'm talking about here, and opposed to you for example, I back my claims up with parses...
Red mountain range is 28m and it'll always hit the closest enemy, in a trial I didn't have a single encounter where it missed,. Red mountain has half the proc chance but no cooldown and hits harder. Especially the lack of a cooldown makes it stronger than wotf, which is technically limited in the amount of dps it does..
As for acuity + rm, simply doesn't matter. I said that it was a special build and nowhere claimed it'll be ideal, but with many other sets you'll also have critical bonuses that diminish the bonus from the acuity 5pc.
“As opposed to you for example,” us filthy console players don’t have access to the add-ons you do to show parses broken down.
And you didn’t post a parse of WoF to back-up YOUR claim that it’s not as good. Perhaps someday we’ll get the add-on crutches that you have, but for now we’ll just settle for being better players.DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0
