Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.
Both need adjustments.
Well I guess it really depends on how many eye of the storms running simultaneously he dies to.Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.
Both need adjustments.
If you still die to Eye of the storm in 2018 you really need to work on your build and on your ingame choices.
L2P then come to forum please.
newtinmpls wrote: »the crown store
rimmidimdim wrote: »newtinmpls wrote: »the crown store
Bahahahahaha, ok, I agree, crown store is way more op than even even zaan.
Well I guess it really depends on how many eye of the storms running simultaneously he dies to.Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.
Both need adjustments.
If you still die to Eye of the storm in 2018 you really need to work on your build and on your ingame choices.
L2P then come to forum please.
The other day I got warden teleport-gated into four of those (and then rooted) and died before my FPS went back into the double digits. Wasn’t really a L2P thing, just an organized, larger group working well together.
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?
I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...
One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...
I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...
TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?
I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...
One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...
I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...
Waffennacht wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?
I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...
One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...
I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...
Yeah it usually does (and keep in mind NBs have been a huge majority of the BG player base) and when it procs defensively it means it's within melee range (aka DK or Stam)
But I still think people are learning how to use it. Most people (myself included) think at first Rock + Zaan = win.
Players like Lexxypwns have suggested mNB and there's no way a player can survive in Zaan when they take an Incap or Merc.
If you're a Templar you can Purge it (which in my limited experience, is the best counter)
TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Do people really consider Poisons to be OP anymore?
I adapted to dealing with those long ago; I have zero concern about them nowadays...
All you gotta do is adjust your build so that you can sustain yourself while Poisoned; having High Defense and high resource return on Resto heavy attacks does the trick for me......
Nihility42 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Do people really consider Poisons to be OP anymore?
I adapted to dealing with those long ago; I have zero concern about them nowadays...
All you gotta do is adjust your build so that you can sustain yourself while Poisoned; having High Defense and high resource return on Resto heavy attacks does the trick for me......
In no-CP (so BGs now, which is most of what I play) they are really hard to deal with because sustain in no-CP is already so tough. You get hit by a resource poison and it's really hard to sustain long enough to be defensive. Especially with the low TTK in no-CP.
Waffennacht wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »rimmidimdim wrote: »I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something
As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.
Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.
I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential
Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?
Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.
When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.
Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.
Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?
I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...
One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...
I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...
Yeah it usually does (and keep in mind NBs have been a huge majority of the BG player base) and when it procs defensively it means it's within melee range (aka DK or Stam)
But I still think people are learning how to use it. Most people (myself included) think at first Rock + Zaan = win.
Players like Lexxypwns have suggested mNB and there's no way a player can survive in Zaan when they take an Incap or Merc.
If you're a Templar you can Purge it (which in my limited experience, is the best counter)
I actually have no problem against players with zaan no matter the class when I'm on my shieldstack magblade build. Just roll dodge when zaan procs to dodge possible incap then teleport away.
Also, incap > merciless combo isn't really a thing unless the player is super inexperienced, merciless is super easy to dodge after the incap.
Idk, I have had no problems against zaan lately, it was mostly a matter of adjustment in my case. Only time I actually have problems with zaan is if the player uses duroks on top of it, otherwise it's just another glass cannon build.
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
Mag wardens need a bone thrown their way since they made cliff racer dodgeable, the class has no execute and it’s very hard to land a dive due to the very long delay. Mag warden needs some help in the dps department in both pve and pvp
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Mag nightblade is in a really good place right now. I’m not saying it’s OP. I love playing my mag blade. It’s really the only predator to stamblade, and it is a very hard counter to Stam blade.
Of course ranged mag blade is hard countered by wing DKs, but they do have the advantage picking who,what,when, and where they fight.
I will say though stamblade are very strong against Stam wardens in particular but just overall good open world. Not asking for any nerfs though, I think other classes need brought up a bit.
Mag wardens need a bone thrown their way since they made cliff racer dodgeable, the class has no execute and it’s very hard to land a dive due to the very long delay. Mag warden needs some help in the dps department in both pve and pvp
Wizards Riposte
Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.
Wizards Riposte
Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.
As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?
Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.
Wizards Riposte
Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.
As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?
Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.
8m ranged costly debuff, vs procs on anyone who crits you. I know which one the healbot sitting in the group spamming BoL, backlash and beam would like.
Wizards Riposte
Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.
As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?
Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.
8m ranged costly debuff, vs procs on anyone who crits you. I know which one the healbot sitting in the group spamming BoL, backlash and beam would like.
Then again, if everyone has reposte on, then everyone is fighting with 15% less DMG in 90% of cyro fights. So at that point, what's the issue with reposte? Didn't we all ask for DMG to be toned down in pvp fights? Lol.
Seriously though, on demand battlefield control from one ability > DMG reduction from a 5pc set. I can also get a 10% - 20% chance to proc chilled from frost reach, give the same debuff on one target but don't have to waste my 5pc set, and get the same blocking as SnB.
Reposte isn't all it's out to be, especially if you slot pirate Skelton for 30% DMG reduction from all sources that procs on any DMG on you.