What is the MOST OP thing right now?

Lexxypwns

Earthgore

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

That is a classic damage build...

newtinmpls

the crown store

Tan9oSuccka

Destro Ult

Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.

Both need adjustments.

Aedaryl

Stam Warden

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.

Both need adjustments.

If you still die to Eye of the storm in 2018 you really need to work on your build and on your ingame choices.

L2P then come to forum please.

Thogard

Earthgore

Aedaryl wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.

Both need adjustments.

If you still die to Eye of the storm in 2018 you really need to work on your build and on your ingame choices.

L2P then come to forum please.

Well I guess it really depends on how many eye of the storms running simultaneously he dies to.

The other day I got warden teleport-gated into four of those (and then rooted) and died before my FPS went back into the double digits. Wasn’t really a L2P thing, just an organized, larger group working well together.

rimmidimdim

Zaan

newtinmpls wrote: »

the crown store

Bahahahahaha, ok, I agree, crown store is way more op than even even zaan.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Stam Warden

Do people really consider Poisons to be OP anymore?

I adapted to dealing with those long ago; I have zero concern about them nowadays...

All you gotta do is adjust your build so that you can sustain yourself while Poisoned; having High Defense and high resource return on Resto heavy attacks does the trick for me......

Thogard

Earthgore

rimmidimdim wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

the crown store

Bahahahahaha, ok, I agree, crown store is way more op than even even zaan.

If I had included that option, it would’ve won by so much that we wouldn’t learn anything about the rest of the poll

I’m already prepping to buy that tsaeci motif. I need that light armor hat.

Aedaryl

Stam Warden

Thogard wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Stam Warden cheese and Destro eye scrubs.

Both need adjustments.

If you still die to Eye of the storm in 2018 you really need to work on your build and on your ingame choices.

L2P then come to forum please.

Well I guess it really depends on how many eye of the storms running simultaneously he dies to.

The other day I got warden teleport-gated into four of those (and then rooted) and died before my FPS went back into the double digits. Wasn’t really a L2P thing, just an organized, larger group working well together.

EoTS train are the most obvious thing in the game, you shoudn't be in their path, and if you are in, you can see them push and escape it easely.

The warden port is an other thing, I don't really know how it work, it's invisible for the ennemy ? How much people it can port ?

If a group use coordonate ultimate on you, you will always die, EoTS is the most easiest to survive.

Thogard

Earthgore

Lately I’ve been seeing Mag DKs running EotS and using chains to gap close on to enemies and then rooting them for the rest of the ball to catch up.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Stam Warden

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?

I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...

One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...

I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...

rimmidimdim

Zaan

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?

I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...

One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...

I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...

So the counter to zaan, build an awesome Templar build. Cool, or shite. Can't do that lol. I guess there is a counter to everything, just build for it.

But I will argue that a two piece proc set should not be able to apply 20k plus dam if I'm not that good. Poor or newer players should not deal with that, but that's my opinion. Not a magplars opinion. It needs a dam Nerf or a sound queue. Cheers

Waffennacht

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?

I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...

One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...

I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...

Yeah it usually does (and keep in mind NBs have been a huge majority of the BG player base) and when it procs defensively it means it's within melee range (aka DK or Stam)

But I still think people are learning how to use it. Most people (myself included) think at first Rock + Zaan = win.

Players like @Lexxypwns have suggested mNB and there's no way a player can survive in Zaan when they take an Incap or Merc.

If you're a Templar you can Purge it (which in my limited experience, is the best counter)

Subversus

Durok’s

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?

I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...

One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...

I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...

Yeah it usually does (and keep in mind NBs have been a huge majority of the BG player base) and when it procs defensively it means it's within melee range (aka DK or Stam)

But I still think people are learning how to use it. Most people (myself included) think at first Rock + Zaan = win.

Players like Lexxypwns have suggested mNB and there's no way a player can survive in Zaan when they take an Incap or Merc.

If you're a Templar you can Purge it (which in my limited experience, is the best counter)

I actually have no problem against players with zaan no matter the class when I'm on my shieldstack magblade build. Just roll dodge when zaan procs to dodge possible incap then teleport away.

Also, incap > merciless combo isn't really a thing unless the player is super inexperienced, merciless is super easy to dodge after the incap.

Idk, I have had no problems against zaan lately, it was mostly a matter of adjustment in my case. Only time I actually have problems with zaan is if the player uses duroks on top of it, otherwise it's just another glass cannon build.

Nihility42

Resource poisons

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Do people really consider Poisons to be OP anymore?

I adapted to dealing with those long ago; I have zero concern about them nowadays...

All you gotta do is adjust your build so that you can sustain yourself while Poisoned; having High Defense and high resource return on Resto heavy attacks does the trick for me......

In no-CP (so BGs now, which is most of what I play) they are really hard to deal with because sustain in no-CP is already so tough. You get hit by a resource poison and it's really hard to sustain long enough to be defensive. Especially with the low TTK in no-CP.

Minno

Nihility42 wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Do people really consider Poisons to be OP anymore?

I adapted to dealing with those long ago; I have zero concern about them nowadays...

All you gotta do is adjust your build so that you can sustain yourself while Poisoned; having High Defense and high resource return on Resto heavy attacks does the trick for me......

In no-CP (so BGs now, which is most of what I play) they are really hard to deal with because sustain in no-CP is already so tough. You get hit by a resource poison and it's really hard to sustain long enough to be defensive. Especially with the low TTK in no-CP.

Dodge roll and reflects should counter poisons since light attacks are.

I think nCP's survival depends on how free you can get your defense, not how much free DMG you can get.

Spectre eye, miss chance, pirate skeleton, etc.

Lexxypwns

Earthgore

Subversus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

I'm voting Zaan, can easily do 20k dam, and I'm not a complete bum. If you get Foss or feared as it procs, you done. Also you can be in a fight with someone else and get hit from behind and not notice the zaan, it needs a sound cue or something

As I'm on console I don't see many others using it yet, but in a BG toss up, the first two ticks almost always go unnoticed.

Then the real pain sets in, even if they heal (which is a typical response when you cannot see the beam) those few ticks drop people's health almost to zero in one tick.

I'll definitely be adjusting my build to use Zaan to it's maximum potential

Spinners front bar Duroks back, 28k+ HP and stack sustain?

Honestly that's what I thought too, however I feel like Zaan would be better used with a more classic damage dealer build.

When it procs, and it will very quickly, your opponent Must disengage or die, this gives a more offensive build a great opportunity to not be worried about defense.

Let's say they attack you, you're forced onto your backbar, Zaan proc cuz you weave, they HAVE to disengage, you just punish them because they are in such a bad position.

Does your opponent really have to disengage when Zaan procs?

I've straight up overpowered and killed several people who proc'ed Zaan against me with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo...

One opponent even attempted to combo Zaan and Soul Assault and it didn't even matter; he died anyway...

I think Zaan's reputation is causing opponents to panic when they see it and they are not dealing with it properly as a result...

Yeah it usually does (and keep in mind NBs have been a huge majority of the BG player base) and when it procs defensively it means it's within melee range (aka DK or Stam)

But I still think people are learning how to use it. Most people (myself included) think at first Rock + Zaan = win.

Players like Lexxypwns have suggested mNB and there's no way a player can survive in Zaan when they take an Incap or Merc.

If you're a Templar you can Purge it (which in my limited experience, is the best counter)

I actually have no problem against players with zaan no matter the class when I'm on my shieldstack magblade build. Just roll dodge when zaan procs to dodge possible incap then teleport away.

Also, incap > merciless combo isn't really a thing unless the player is super inexperienced, merciless is super easy to dodge after the incap.

Idk, I have had no problems against zaan lately, it was mostly a matter of adjustment in my case. Only time I actually have problems with zaan is if the player uses duroks on top of it, otherwise it's just another glass cannon build.

You don’t need to land the will proc, it’s a poison pill. Either they dodge it and get wrecked by zaan, block it and get wrecked by zaan, or just get felt by zaan

RinaldoGandolphi

Mag nightblade is in a really good place right now. I’m not saying it’s OP. I love playing my mag blade. It’s really the only predator to stamblade, and it is a very hard counter to Stam blade.

Of course ranged mag blade is hard countered by wing DKs, but they do have the advantage picking who,what,when, and where they fight.

I will say though stamblade are very strong against Stam wardens in particular but just overall good open world. Not asking for any nerfs though, I think other classes need brought up a bit.

Mag wardens need a bone thrown their way since they made cliff racer dodgeable, the class has no execute and it’s very hard to land a dive due to the very long delay. Mag warden needs some help in the dps department in both pve and pvp

Waffennacht

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mag wardens need a bone thrown their way since they made cliff racer dodgeable, the class has no execute and it’s very hard to land a dive due to the very long delay. Mag warden needs some help in the dps department in both pve and pvp

Who could have POSSIBLY guessed that?

Lexxypwns

Earthgore

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mag nightblade is in a really good place right now. I’m not saying it’s OP. I love playing my mag blade. It’s really the only predator to stamblade, and it is a very hard counter to Stam blade.

Of course ranged mag blade is hard countered by wing DKs, but they do have the advantage picking who,what,when, and where they fight.

I will say though stamblade are very strong against Stam wardens in particular but just overall good open world. Not asking for any nerfs though, I think other classes need brought up a bit.

Mag wardens need a bone thrown their way since they made cliff racer dodgeable, the class has no execute and it’s very hard to land a dive due to the very long delay. Mag warden needs some help in the dps department in both pve and pvp

I’ll say it then. Mageblade is king of the castle and everyone else is at our mercy. Even classes with reflects are helpless to deal with the melee mageblade.

Mag warden is literally only better than mag sorc, the cliff racer nerf was needed but they now need a PVE and PVP damage buff. There needs to be a way to punish and the class currently lacks that, even if your eat the Fissure and get CCed it doesn’t matter because there’s no execute.

LegendaryMage

Well, based on the poll you provided I'd probably vote for Stamden but if you ask me, there's nothing really that's 'the most OP thing' in the game right now.

There are overpowered abilities, sets etc. but nothing that really stands out, it's all according to the individual's perspective based on playstyle.

And if there is, and I'm not able to remember it, then it's just not as widespread to be worthwhile remembering.

edit; We're in the era of ESO where everything is watered down.

Tetrafy

Stamblades

A good stamplar.

Sergykid

Shield Stacking

i want to vote more options.

where is cloak on the list? makes 1vX cheese for nightblades

befould at 100 champion points has 15% resource hinder. Some poisy boi has 30% without spending any point anywhere.

a1i3nz

Wizards Riposte

Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.

FrancisCrawford

The answer to the title question is always "Loading screens".

Loading screens prevent EVERYTHING.

Irylia

Mag sorc

Minno

a1i3nz wrote: »

Wizards Riposte

Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.

As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?

Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.

ak_pvp

Earthgore

Minno wrote: »

a1i3nz wrote: »

Wizards Riposte

Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.

As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?

Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.

8m ranged costly debuff, vs procs on anyone who crits you. I know which one the healbot sitting in the group spamming BoL, backlash and beam would like.

Minno

ak_pvp wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

a1i3nz wrote: »

Wizards Riposte

Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.

As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?

Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.

8m ranged costly debuff, vs procs on anyone who crits you. I know which one the healbot sitting in the group spamming BoL, backlash and beam would like.

Then again, if everyone has reposte on, then everyone is fighting with 15% less DMG in 90% of cyro fights. So at that point, what's the issue with reposte? Didn't we all ask for DMG to be toned down in pvp fights? Lol.

Seriously though, on demand battlefield control from one ability > DMG reduction from a 5pc set. I can also get a 10% - 20% chance to proc chilled from frost reach, give the same debuff on one target but don't have to waste my 5pc set, and get the same blocking as SnB.

Reposte isn't all it's out to be, especially if you slot pirate Skelton for 30% DMG reduction from all sources that procs on any DMG on you.

ak_pvp

Earthgore

Minno wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

a1i3nz wrote: »

Wizards Riposte

Every pugplar wears it. Can't throw a stick at a group without it getting you. Way too many templars running this. Like they don't have enough cheese at their disposal.

As opposed to a DK grabbing everyone in a root that gives the same debuff?

Wizard can be strong, but at least you can move around freely when it procs on you.

8m ranged costly debuff, vs procs on anyone who crits you. I know which one the healbot sitting in the group spamming BoL, backlash and beam would like.

Then again, if everyone has reposte on, then everyone is fighting with 15% less DMG in 90% of cyro fights. So at that point, what's the issue with reposte? Didn't we all ask for DMG to be toned down in pvp fights? Lol.

Seriously though, on demand battlefield control from one ability > DMG reduction from a 5pc set. I can also get a 10% - 20% chance to proc chilled from frost reach, give the same debuff on one target but don't have to waste my 5pc set, and get the same blocking as SnB.

Reposte isn't all it's out to be, especially if you slot pirate Skelton for 30% DMG reduction from all sources that procs on any DMG on you.

The problem isn't riposte. The problem is maim. Effortlessly debuffing someone, especially if solo is a bit BS. Maim should work for the target only in PvP.

Talons is super debatable in use now too. Extra pressure vs some targets+rootspam is great, especially if you are in a group/duel. But when you drop 4k and it roots one out of 4 people who then rolls, taking your power whip with it, its depressing.