What is the MOST OP thing right now?

Ocelot9x

Stam Warden

No blockcasting?
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RinaldoGandolphi

Leaning towards Stam Warden/Stam Nightblade...but snares and poisons are a close 2nd

Minno

Thogard wrote: »

Well as a stamden main, I’m of the opinion that it’s because stamdens have one weakness - stamblades. Fortunately for most stamden haters, stamblades are literally everywhere and are by far the most played class.

Once stamblades get the nerf they deserve, Stamdens will be truly OP in every facet and will need their own nerf.

Crit rush taking a nerf could have scared a few away, also.

I still see them running around; but see more nightblades/magDKs/stamsorcs these days with some healplars/stamplars/magsorcs/stamDKs sprinkled in.

casparian

I wouldn't say it's any of those things: it's Befoul. Befoul is a powerful offensive CP star that doesn't compete with any other offensive stars for points. What's more, most builds can take care of their sustain needs while easily sparing 33 points for Befoul. If this weren't the case, builds would actually have to give something up to stack into Befoul, meaning there would be a meaningful tradeoff between having strong attacks and potent Defiles. As it is now, you can get both for basically free.

Befoul needs to be moved to one of the blue trees.

Skoomah

Stam Warden

Why wait for stamblades to get adjusted before stamdens get theirs? The Stamden rebalance needs to tone them down in PVP and buffed in PVE.

It's not healthy for the long term health of the game if something's power level is so far ahead of the competition. A lot of people still want to play something else other than a Warden.

Waffennacht

For large group play I have to say Earthgore - it heals everyone to full, and with staggered use by multiple players the one drawback (i.e. the cool down) is essentially circumvented, aka 3 earthgores mean 1 every 10ish sec?

In small group play (i.e. BGs) it's Zaan/proc sets, as free damage at levels equal to a damage spec's ult is pretty OP

Those are the only things I consider "OP" ATM. Resource poisons are knocking on the door too.

Vermintide

Resource poisons

Cost poisons, and proc sets in general TBH. Both of these are symptomatic of the power creep in CP PVP. You need all this over the top power to kill people with 4 billion resistance and infinite sustain.

The thing with proc sets is that honestly, I don't like the way they play, so I don't use them- I don't like revolving my entire playstyle around an RNG proc. But objectively, on paper, mathematically, you are at a disadvantage for not using one. It's "free" damage outside of your GCD and outside of your resource usage. That's a huge deciding factor in who has the upper hand in a fight. Even if they are easily countered, it's extra pressure that a non-user won't have access to.

Zaan is not as ridiculously OP as people seem to have been worried about, but the same applies really. I entirely cheesed some fights where I was using it. Other times I couldn't get it to proc at all and I got stomped. C'est la vie.

Just imagine a no-CP no-proc set battlegrounds/Cyro campaign.

Minno

casparian wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's any of those things: it's Befoul. Befoul is a powerful offensive CP star that doesn't compete with any other offensive stars for points. What's more, most builds can take care of their sustain needs while easily sparing 33 points for Befoul. If this weren't the case, builds would actually have to give something up to stack into Befoul, meaning there would be a meaningful tradeoff between having strong attacks and potent Defiles. As it is now, you can get both for basically free.

Befoul needs to be moved to one of the blue trees.

Should swap blessed with befoul, and then staff expert with befoul.

This way befoul competes with master of arms/dmg increase, DD mag toons get staff on their own tree (given that stamina have thaumaturge), and blessed competes with stamina reduction+it's own terrible scaling pulling points away from break free/block/dodge/resource dumps.

Joy_Division

Earthgore

Followed close behind by easy to apply Defile + ridiculous CP scaling.

ak_pvp

Earthgore

MagDK obviously. Why else would the be nerfed so much?

Ragnarock41

Stamblades

stamblades
Bleed builds..

Stamblades using bleed builds..

Stamsorcs with infinite stamina and again, bleeds too because why not?...

Stam wardens with *** aoe burst...

zaan,earthgore, and befoul are also cancer mechanics leading to *** gameplay.

Obviously this is from the perspective of a stamDK, so everything can be considered OP, but I just listed what seemed especiallly broken to me.

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

Lol Stamwarden is the least of the worries when Earthgore running glass cannons can just live through your burst combo. Stamwarden should be placed as the least of the worries and here we are, it apparently is much more OP than Earthgore.

RighteousBacon

Stam Warden

Thogard wrote: »

Wow I am surprised to see Stam wardens in first place right now.

I don’t disagree, but I’m curious... if Stam wardens are so OP, why don’t we see more of them?

Cuz no one wants to spend any more real money on this game for pvp reasons. We aren’t loved enough by the devs as it is. Why would we pay them to love us even less

Ragnarock41

Stamblades

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Lol Stamwarden is the least of the worries when Earthgore running glass cannons can just live through your burst combo. Stamwarden should be placed as the least of the worries and here we are, it apparently is much more OP than Earthgore.

Oh please, amuse me a bit more with your total non sense.

''stamden is fine because earthgore exists and is more broken''

and what happens when people use it on a stamden?

Waffennacht

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Lol Stamwarden is the least of the worries when Earthgore running glass cannons can just live through your burst combo. Stamwarden should be placed as the least of the worries and here we are, it apparently is much more OP than Earthgore.

Oh please, amuse me a bit more with your total non sense.

''stamden is fine because earthgore exists and is more broken''

and what happens when people use it on a stamden?

They suck into themselves, collapsing upon their own weight, creating dwarf stars

Cronopoly

[PVP] - Stacked VIGOR w/ Vitality Pots is one of the most powerful things in the game. Get 2 Stam players in and out of close proximity and unless you have mass defile they are near unkillable. And if one is a Stamplar with ground AOE cleans w, 4 or more Stam buddies forgettaboutit.

CatchMeTrolling

Resource poisons

Not being able to see the poll results without voting.

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Lol Stamwarden is the least of the worries when Earthgore running glass cannons can just live through your burst combo. Stamwarden should be placed as the least of the worries and here we are, it apparently is much more OP than Earthgore.

Oh please, amuse me a bit more with your total non sense.

''stamden is fine because earthgore exists and is more broken''

and what happens when people use it on a stamden?

Quite an uncalled for hostility there.

Not a nonsense if earthgore prolongs the fight forever especially in XvX. Organized group vs organized group nowadays comes down to who got more earthgore more often than not. Stamden has nothing on it. Stamden usually runs bloodspawn or other offensive monster set. Good luck trying to time your burst with stamden, DBoS will provide them earthgore runners nice heals that undo all the damage you've done and proceed to eat you alive with their skills. Remember, this game's pvp is supposed to be balanced around XvX. And in that scope, stamden has nothing on earthgore. Also, stamden's burst is usually fairly avoidable with cc at the right time.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Stam Warden

Skoomah wrote: »

Stamina Wardens are the most OP thing in the game. ZOS took the best elements and buffs from each class and created the Warden. DK sustain and tankiness, Templar healing, Nightblade burst, Sorceror speed. They can range and melee dps. Single target and aoe heal. They can buff an entire group. They have every thing you would want in your kit.

It wouldn't be so bad if the other classes weren't gutted in exchange for the Warden. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you feel like you have to make a new toon because Wardens power gap is so big.

Well said...

I too feel that Stam Wardens are the most OP thing in the game at current as they are too good at too many things...

Excellent burst, excellent defensive ability, excellent mobility, excellent AoE; its like they are the King of All Trades...

ak_pvp

Earthgore

Never thought stamden was that OP. Maybe FOTM, but not that OP. Undodgabirb maybe, but the rest of the toolkit is decently counterable. Well, maybe shield is a bit too cheap, but fine in principle.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Stam Warden

Cronopoly wrote: »

[PVP] - Stacked VIGOR w/ Vitality Pots is one of the most powerful things in the game. Get 2 Stam players in and out of close proximity and unless you have mass defile they are near unkillable. And if one is a Stamplar with ground AOE cleans w, 4 or more Stam buddies forgettaboutit.

That's when you assemble a Ball Group and AoE the living hell out of them...

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

[PVP] - Stacked VIGOR w/ Vitality Pots is one of the most powerful things in the game. Get 2 Stam players in and out of close proximity and unless you have mass defile they are near unkillable. And if one is a Stamplar with ground AOE cleans w, 4 or more Stam buddies forgettaboutit.

That's when you assemble a Ball Group and AoE the living hell out of them...

And that's when Earthgore proc eats any of AoE, rendering your AoEs ineffective. Have seen numerous times where dedicated bombblades in ball groups unable to kill other ball group because of Earthgore. Ballgroup of stamdens are the least of the worries because those groups get eaten alive by destrogore ball groups after they waste their dbos and shalks.

gabriebe

Stam Warden

I answered Stamwarden because that bugs/dizzyswing/dawnbreaker *** is getting old. And Dawnbreaker in general is such an overused skill in the game, other class specific ults should be reworked to fit into the stamina playstyle more. Because as it stands there is no reason to run anything else other than DB on stam classes except Take Flight on DKs and Incap on Stamblades.

But really the thing that pisses me the most when fighting large groups is the rapids spam. What is the point of CC if one person can get rid of everyones snares and immos with just one cast?

Bashev

Derra wrote: »

caluurion, zaan, durok magblade is the future.

that being said i find the sneak system (and as a symptom of sneak being broken - NBs and snipe builds too) to be the main factor of unenjoyable gameplay when not zerging.

This! The sneak and the stealth part is the major issue right now.

Azurya

Earthgore

30% on stamwarden LOL
no idea what you are talking about?
my stamwarden doesn´t bring the DPS that my stammage brings
nor the dmg my stamNBs bring

that said, I state that my Stammage is doing more dmg, then ever before

ak_pvp

Earthgore

Azurya wrote: »

30% on stamwarden LOL
no idea what you are talking about?
my stamwarden doesn´t bring the DPS that my stammage brings
nor the dmg my stamNBs bring

that said, I state that my Stammage is doing more dmg, then ever before

PvP oriented. DPS doesn't matter and stamden has high AoE burst. Probably the best for all around burst since its unblockable and AoE. Also debuffs.

That said now only one thing I would consider OP in warden now.

Maulkin

Resource poisons

Since I only PvP in no-CP BGs, I find resource & cowardice poisons an absolute disease.

Durok in BGs is not so prevalent now, because the sustain sacrifice is quite big in a no-CP, resource poison meta. It was far more prevalent last patch for me. Earthgore not so bad either for the same reason. You can push kills a lot harder/quicker, you can even kill Templars in Remembrance Ult.

Also @Thogard, where's Shield Breaker option? Because as far as cancers go, the Sniper-come-Light Attack spammer in Shield Breaker is one of the very aggressive ones.

Tarrocan

Earthgore

I miss the dodge roll as a option too:(

Koensol

Stam Warden

A very close tie between Stam Warden and resource poisons. The latter certainly being more cancerous. Stamwarden (AoE) burst potential is just too much atm, combined with their inherent healing and tanking/defensive capabilities.

Azurya

Earthgore

i say LAGS, they are too much everywhere and overall, and they are not allowing counterplay as it should be and can be!!!