dwemer_paleologist wrote: »it is time for a change.
There hasn’t been a ‘nerf Sorc!’ thread without you vomiting all over it since at least 2016.
You got what you wanted. The nerfs are enough. If they aren’t - please cancel your account if you’re this bad. That’d be a great change
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
I really cannot understand the thought process behind having a long distance execution ability that is undodgeable to top it off and then add ability to have damage shields that in 1v1 encounters there is almost no point to even bother. I have been paying close eye to the death report details, about 8 out of 10 times when I die in Cyrodiil campaign is to endless fury explosion. I agree that every class needs to have their bs to make them strong somewhere but there is a limit there, like nightblades have their clo... oh wait sorc takes that away too with huge hit box unavoidable stun attack that takes a lot of space.
My two cents that is really the only thing about pvp I have grown to dislike, is mag sorc. Too tanky for 1 button press spam (oblivion enchantment doesn't hit +15k to take them out so don't even bother with that, stuns are not frequent enough to stop them from moving all together and they got insane surge to escape if things seem going south)
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
i do thing something should be done about mages wrath. i mean why they'd make Impale (nightblade execute) dodgeable and not mages wrath is really beyond me.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
Yeah because using dueling which makes up a small portion of pvp, where certain classes/builds are naturally better, a place where tons of good player's don't show up, a place where the numbers are skewed by the participants and something that has been inconsistent for patches as a reasonable argument is valid.
We aren’t supposed to sit and face tank a two handed stam burst.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
Yeah because using dueling which makes up a small portion of pvp, where certain classes/builds are naturally better, a place where tons of good player's don't show up, a place where the numbers are skewed by the participants and something that has been inconsistent for patches as a reasonable argument is valid.
I’m just pointing out a class balance issue. It’s clearly not working. If you’re not killing anyone good in a 1v1, you’re certainly not doing much better in a small scale fight against GOOD players playing top classes
I’m also not asking for game shattering buffs. Just a few quality of life perks to make playing it competitively work. Like 10% damage back on frags, or a little less cost penalty on streak.
Everyone points out that a Sorc can always ‘run away’ because of streak. Not fair! OP! But... Being able to streak only four times in a fight is just stupid ridiculous, we’re supposed to be mobile. We aren’t supposed to sit and face tank a two handed stam burst.
thankyourat wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
Yeah because using dueling which makes up a small portion of pvp, where certain classes/builds are naturally better, a place where tons of good player's don't show up, a place where the numbers are skewed by the participants and something that has been inconsistent for patches as a reasonable argument is valid.
I’m just pointing out a class balance issue. It’s clearly not working. If you’re not killing anyone good in a 1v1, you’re certainly not doing much better in a small scale fight against GOOD players playing top classes
I’m also not asking for game shattering buffs. Just a few quality of life perks to make playing it competitively work. Like 10% damage back on frags, or a little less cost penalty on streak.
Everyone points out that a Sorc can always ‘run away’ because of streak. Not fair! OP! But... Being able to streak only four times in a fight is just stupid ridiculous, we’re supposed to be mobile. We aren’t supposed to sit and face tank a two handed stam burst.
I think sorc is still really good in small scale group play like battle ground and small groups in open world cyrodiil. Sorc is good because when you have someone to relieve pressure on you, you can just free cast from range, and abilities like curse and wrath become really good when focusing players down. Really sorcs are only struggling in 1v1 right now. I think as a ESO community we place duels too high in determining how good a class is. With that being said a few small buffs to sorcs should be welcomed to help them keep up with current meta
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
Yeah because using dueling which makes up a small portion of pvp, where certain classes/builds are naturally better, a place where tons of good player's don't show up, a place where the numbers are skewed by the participants and something that has been inconsistent for patches as a reasonable argument is valid.
I’m just pointing out a class balance issue. It’s clearly not working. If you’re not killing anyone good in a 1v1, you’re certainly not doing much better in a small scale fight against GOOD players playing top classes
thankyourat wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
You can’t explain anything to a whiner. “I don’t play Sorc and one killed me, therefore nerf it!” His post is just another shining, golden example of forum whiner ignorance.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Think the people saying sorcs are in a bad spot need to l2p more than they’re saying the OP needs to.
You mean, the sorc elite? The sorc vets who been playing sorc every patch? The competitive duelists?
THOSE guys?
To be fair I’ve seen the same people for years qq about sorcs being bad so yeah those guys. If you listen to people on here right now you’d think every magic class is in a bad spot besides magwarden and magblade. Middle ground can be rare; a class is either bad or OP. Sorcs are far from bad though.
Still could be considered top 3 mag classes, still brings something to group play and still up there for 1vx out of all the mag classes. Just because the class has taken hits doesn’t make them bad cause if we’re applying that logic magdk and Templar must be unplayable. Albeit there isn’t a bad class right now, just one class with a few over performing skills. Too often people on the forums use words too loosely.
The reason experienced Sorcs are complaining is not because we need to ‘git Gud’. The problem is that the class is not competitive no matter HOW good you are. The absolute top players in this game can’t make it work. How the hell is anyone else?
Magicka Sorc hasn’t made top three in any tournament in forever, and made top five like once since the last nerf. Fact: There are just too many builds and classss out there that you just can’t ever kill with a Sorc NO MATTER WHAT so long as the other guy isn’t a nose-picker.
That’s not balanced. That’s not fun. It needs to be fixed, and we will continue to advocate for it despite the plethora of terrible, whining window-lickers here.Jan 20, 20181st place - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
2nd - Diamanda
snb/ice staff mDK
3rd - Quantum
snb mDK
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yangnagato
dw/2h stamblade
Jan 13, 20181st place - Kodi
snb/2h stamblade
2nd - Zendran
destro mageblade
3rd - Kiri
dw/2h stamplar
4th - Lowpolicy
snb/2h stam DK
5th - Yuri
snb/lightning staff mDK
Jan 6, 20181st place - Kodi
stamina warden
He won't be coming on the warden again. He says he wants to come on his stamblade next week. That'll be a fun show.
2nd place - Truestory NB
destro/resto magicka nightblade
3rd place - Tangard Bedoryan @Sloban
snb/2h stam DK
4th place - AlanFromBehind
dw/resto magicka nightblade
He picked up the class literally a week ago, and I spent all week teaching and prepping him. I'm so proud!
5th place - Jake17
magicka dragonknight
Dec 30, 2017 New Years tournament1st place - Kodi
snb stam warden
2nd place - Ali Sabre
heavy armor 2h/bow stamblade
3rd place - Tuppy
lvl 40 mDK
4th place - Pelican
destro magicka sorc
5th place - Notorious Prospering
snb stamplar
Dec 23, 2017All stamina holiday tournament!
1st place - Speed Kills
dot stam sorc
2nd place - Notorious Prospering
nightblade
3rd place - Zed is Ded
nightblade
Dec 16, 20171st place - Passifest
snb/destro magicka DK
2nd place - Marcel
d/r mageblade
3rd place - Josh
d/r magicka DK
4th place - Speed Kills
dw/bow dot stamina sorc
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow heavy armor stamblade
Dec 9, 20171st place - Yuri
magicka DK
2nd place - Passifest
magicka DK
3rd place - Pelican
magicka warden
4th place - Joshlenoir
2h/bow medium armor stamblade
5th place - Diamanda Spear
a new member showing up big on the magicka templar!
Dec 2, 20171st place - me again...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka warden
3rd place - Ro'Dari
heavy armor, cloakless, dw/2h stamina nightblade
4th place - Passifest
magicka DK
5th place - Zed is Ded
2h/bow stamina nightblade
Nov 25, 20171st place - me... lol...
dw/resto mageblade
2nd place - Perfectly Perched Pelican
on his magicka Warden
3rd place - Drizzt Do'Liftin
magicka DK
4th place - Jesus Take The Heal
magicka templar
5th place - GodOfDmg
magicka sorc
Not even CP capped! He's a returning player from long ago whom we've missed.
Yeah because using dueling which makes up a small portion of pvp, where certain classes/builds are naturally better, a place where tons of good player's don't show up, a place where the numbers are skewed by the participants and something that has been inconsistent for patches as a reasonable argument is valid.
I’m just pointing out a class balance issue. It’s clearly not working. If you’re not killing anyone good in a 1v1, you’re certainly not doing much better in a small scale fight against GOOD players playing top classes
I’m also not asking for game shattering buffs. Just a few quality of life perks to make playing it competitively work. Like 10% damage back on frags, or a little less cost penalty on streak.
Everyone points out that a Sorc can always ‘run away’ because of streak. Not fair! OP! But... Being able to streak only four times in a fight is just stupid ridiculous, we’re supposed to be mobile. We aren’t supposed to sit and face tank a two handed stam burst.
I think sorc is still really good in small scale group play like battle ground and small groups in open world cyrodiil. Sorc is good because when you have someone to relieve pressure on you, you can just free cast from range, and abilities like curse and wrath become really good when focusing players down. Really sorcs are only struggling in 1v1 right now. I think as a ESO community we place duels too high in determining how good a class is. With that being said a few small buffs to sorcs should be welcomed to help them keep up with current meta
So. We struggle anytime anyone actually fights back.
Good to know. Thanks for agreeing with me on that.
I'll try to cut to the chase here. Sorc struggles at fighting back against anything that outputs about at least 9k DPS; there is no "bad in 1v1 but good 1vX" dichotomy here. If anything sorc 1vX performance is far worse than 1v1 because damage shields as a defensive mechanic Do. Not. Scale. Shields are always going to be limited to a static maximum potential dmg they can mitigate, dodge and block are not limited like that.thankyourat wrote: »So it's not that sorc struggles fighting back, it's that sorcs struggle fighting back against builds designed for 1v1. it's really the same problem as medium armor stamblades bad in 1v1 but good 1vX
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i don't make these threads, and, there are allot of them that exist.
i just come here like every one else and give my opinion, and of that, we are allowed to.
my opinion is well known that i think sorcerers and templars as well as wardens have way too much healing and way too much damage output. their shields and defenses and damage is just too strong.
i have fought magicka nightblades i have lost to them, but i have also beaten magicka nightblades that have shields and spam their shields. and i don't find them anywhere near as powerful and protected as sorcerers and wardens. altho to me magicka nightblades seem to be only beatable when i cast mark target on them and wear shield breaker while i also use mage light.
However, sorcerers, wardens, and templars simply heal through all damage given to them and then they deal out very Large amounts of damage coupled with their Huge Rings pulling us out of stealth, and thier ability to extreme slow and snare everyone and take all stealth and sneaking and invisibility casting opponents out of stealth and kill them. it is not fair and not balanced.
HoloYoitsu wrote: »I'll try to cut to the chase here. Sorc struggles at fighting back against anything that outputs about at least 9k DPS; there is no "bad in 1v1 but good 1vX" dichotomy here. If anything sorc 1vX performance is far worse than 1v1 because damage shields as a defensive mechanic Do. Not. Scale. Shields are always going to be limited to a static maximum potential dmg they can mitigate, dodge and block are not limited like that.thankyourat wrote: »So it's not that sorc struggles fighting back, it's that sorcs struggle fighting back against builds designed for 1v1. it's really the same problem as medium armor stamblades bad in 1v1 but good 1vX