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I really cannot understand the thought process behind having a long distance execution ability that is undodgeable to top it off and then add ability to have damage shields that in 1v1 encounters there is almost no point to even bother. I have been paying close eye to the death report details, about 8 out of 10 times when I die in Cyrodiil campaign is to endless fury explosion. I agree that every class needs to have their bs to make them strong somewhere but there is a limit there, like nightblades have their clo... oh wait sorc takes that away too with huge hit box unavoidable stun attack that takes a lot of space.

My two cents that is really the only thing about pvp I have grown to dislike, is mag sorc. Too tanky for 1 button press spam (oblivion enchantment doesn't hit +15k to take them out so don't even bother with that, stuns are not frequent enough to stop them from moving all together and they got insane surge to escape if things seem going south)

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Edited by ZOS_Mika on February 18, 2018 6:49PM
  • W0lf_z13
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    mag sorcs got hit with the nerf hammer a few times .... they arent really that bad to deal with.... i still kill plenty of them in cyro
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  • gepe87
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    Try playing a sorc for a time and get your conclusions. It's not all about easy wins.
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  • Nemeliom
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    Well, sorcs aren't the top class at the moment, so even if half of what you say is true, it still isn't enough to balance with other classes.

    As far as I know, endless fury is dodgeable. Right? Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

    The undodgeable is Curse, which isn't an execution.
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  • W0lf_z13
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    Nemeliom wrote: »
    Well, sorcs aren't the top class at the moment, so even if half of what you say is true, it still isn't enough to balance with other classes.

    As far as I know, endless fury is dodgeable. Right? Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

    The undodgeable is Curse, which isn't an execution.

    yeah, you can dodge endless fury
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  • Septimus_Magna
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    What should be the killing blow if not an Execute?
    Ive been killed countless times by Reverse Slice, doesnt mean that anything is wrong with the skill itself.
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  • Aedaryl
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    Also, complain about dodge and fury is stupid, dodge the initial hit and while dodging use vigor or rally and you are saved.
  • Orange_fire_dragon
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    I never have been able to dodgeroll endless fury ability, best you can do is block it but if you are 7k hp when at 30% and it normally hits upto 4-7k? and spamable, you die anyway
  • Maulkin
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    Piraja27 wrote: »
    I never have been able to dodgeroll endless fury ability, best you can do is block it but if you are 7k hp when at 30% and it normally hits upto 4-7k? and spamable, you die anyway

    It's dodgeable. And if you have a HoT ticking on you, you only need 1-2" (which is one dodge roll) before you pop above 20% HP and the spam won't affect you in the slightest.
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  • Beardimus
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    If you let your health get under 20% regularly you play pretty riskily to be blaming Sorc. What health you running?

    Even 30k is a 6k one bang away from death at 20% fella.
    Sorcs are on a bad place right now, nerfed into last place for most aspects of Cyro.

    If wards are a challenge for you. Adapt and overcome, Sorcs are telegraphed, pigeon holed offensive, and easy to counter. Don't slam against a ward, time on getting it down, CC, kill their stamina.

    Sorcs can't sustain triple stack indef these days....
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  • Beardimus
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    @Dutchessx see?
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  • magictucktuck
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    Piraja27 wrote: »
    I really cannot understand the thought process behind having a long distance execution ability that is undodgeable to top it off and then add ability to have damage shields that in 1v1 encounters there is almost no point to even bother. I have been paying close eye to the death report details, about 8 out of 10 times when I die in Cyrodiil campaign is to endless fury explosion. I agree that every class needs to have their bs to make them strong somewhere but there is a limit there, like nightblades have their clo... oh wait sorc takes that away too with huge hit box unavoidable stun attack that takes a lot of space.

    My two cents that is really the only thing about pvp I have grown to dislike, is mag sorc. Too tanky for 1 button press spam (oblivion enchantment doesn't hit +15k to take them out so don't even bother with that, stuns are not frequent enough to stop them from moving all together and they got insane surge to escape if things seem going south)

    As a NB i dont mind sorc mainly because i don't come across many good ones in cyro. but when they are good they are good.

    I HATE MAGICKA DK!!!! ARGHSHDSD perma root is just stupid.
    Edited by magictucktuck on February 9, 2018 5:32PM
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  • Dutchessx
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    @Beardimus Yes I know there will always be people who complain about Sorcerers but they still need a buff because they are almost unplayable when you add up all the nerfs.
    @Piraja27 you can dodge endless fury, you can always tell when sorcerers are casting it because sorcerers raise their hand in the air. Also you might want to try to keep yourself out of execute range. I do want to encourage you because everyone has a class they have problems with in PVP. Best of luck to you.
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  • Sergykid
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    absorb shield amount higher than dps is already op, why they had to be able to teleport too. Like we choose between forward momentum and rally, so should they choose between high absorb or mobility.
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  • CyrusArya
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    If you are complaining about sorcs in 2018, you're a terrible player. No two ways about it.
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  • Didgerion
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    Piraja27 wrote: »
    I really cannot understand the thought process behind having a long distance execution ability that is undodgeable to top it off and then add ability to have damage shields that in 1v1 encounters there is almost no point to even bother. I have been paying close eye to the death report details, about 8 out of 10 times when I die in Cyrodiil campaign is to endless fury explosion. I agree that every class needs to have their bs to make them strong somewhere but there is a limit there, like nightblades have their clo... oh wait sorc takes that away too with huge hit box unavoidable stun attack that takes a lot of space.

    My two cents that is really the only thing about pvp I have grown to dislike, is mag sorc. Too tanky for 1 button press spam (oblivion enchantment doesn't hit +15k to take them out so don't even bother with that, stuns are not frequent enough to stop them from moving all together and they got insane surge to escape if things seem going south)

    Definitely an L2P issue here.

    First of all the execute is dodgeable - the explosion is not - but there is no explosion if you rolldoge the initial hit.

    Looks like you play NB - and as you complain a lot about shields - I assume you play Stam NB.

    Well.. Stam-NB is the strongest class in PVP and an extremely powerful counter to Mag sorcs. You just need to work on your build. CC the sorc when out of shields and 2 shot him - as simple as that.

    Also use your cloak to disconnect projectiles and not to hide! - If you manage to remain hidden consider it a bonus -- the power of cloak is the ability to disconnect few projectiles in a row - and sorc's burst is all about projectiles.
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    I dont see magsorcs as that big of a problem. Take away shieldstack. Change shieldbreaker to not deal dmg under the shield. And truely buff the atronach ultimate instead of nerf (u17) and I find them in an alright spot. Both playing as one and against one.

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  • gepe87
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    Poor sorcs still the bad guys. They don't have viable spammable (i use reach), delayed burst skill, another burst skill easily dodgeable and RN generated. Poor healings, while other classes have instant healing, we have a crit healing (not very effective on noCP campaigns) and a interruptable one. Many skills are situatonal like mines and ultimates. Our cc still have bug problems-rune and one was restricted to a useless skill-blast.. Very low defenses, so shields are a must. Our magicka pool isnt limitless and we also suffer from sustain as all classes: while we shield we lose opportunities to attack. On top of that people complain about our strenght- mobility, and suggest to make us choose between that or shields. Seriously, play.a magsorc on CP and noCP pvp and reconsider your opinion about that class.
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  • Nihility42
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    What should be the killing blow if not an Execute?
    Ive been killed countless times by Reverse Slice, doesnt mean that anything is wrong with the skill itself.

    Anything that kills me should be nerfed.
  • Minalan
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    JUST when I think the ‘nerf Sorc’ threads are done and the class is a smoking ruin that couldn't possibly be nerfed further..

    Some potato comes in and proves me wrong again.

    Sigh. You know what they say about hydrogen and stupidity?
  • TimeDazzler
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    Bad idea posting this on the forums since 90% of the people here are sorcs. Nonetheless L2P.
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  • RebornV3x
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    Mag sorc is probably one of the worst PvP classes at the moment
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  • Minalan
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    Cries wrote: »
    Bad idea posting this on the forums since 90% of the people here are sorcs. Nonetheless L2P.

    Plenty of MagDK’s here, go check out the PTS forum.

    You’ll get a pretty negative response here because the Sorc class has taken it in the nuts the last three patches or so.

    And it’s never enough for the forum whining. There’s always another nerf Sorc thread. Every day. Every patch.
  • bardx86
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    Minalan wrote: »
    JUST when I think the ‘nerf Sorc’ threads are done and the class is a smoking ruin that couldn't possibly be nerfed further..

    Some potato comes in and proves me wrong again.

    Sigh. You know what they say about hydrogen and stupidity?

    Right!
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Sorc doesn't need any more nerfs .
  • Datolite
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    gepe87 wrote: »
    Try playing a sorc for a time and get your conclusions. It's not all about easy wins.

    I used to be skeptical of all these people calling nerf before. Then I did precisely that: tried playing one.

    My conclusion: it's ALL about easy wins. I got to level 50 and threw on some basic magicka gear. Suddenly I'm topping BG scores and my K/D is through the roof.

    I use 3 shields, I can't die.

    I spam fury, I get all the kills.

    Burst damage is just reeeeeetarded.

    The class is literally a win button.

    I had a hard time going back to my magplar after that. I tried to give magsorcs the benefit of the doubt, but the truth is, they are [snip] OP.

    [Edited to remove profanity-masking]
    Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 15, 2018 4:18PM
  • Minalan
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    gepe87 wrote: »
    Try playing a sorc for a time and get your conclusions. It's not all about easy wins.

    I used to be skeptical of all these people calling nerf before. Then I did precisely that: tried playing one.

    My conclusion: it's ALL about easy wins. I got to level 50 and threw on some basic magicka gear. Suddenly I'm topping BG scores and my K/D is through the roof.

    I use 3 shields, I can't die.

    I spam fury, I get all the kills.

    Burst damage is just reeeeeetarded.

    The class is literally a win button.

    I had a hard time going back to my magplar after that. I tried to give magsorcs the benefit of the doubt, but the truth is, they are [snip] OP.


    Spams an execute in BG’s and thinks the whole class is OP while everyone else does the 80% damage.
    https://youtu.be/-GydLhFZ8zM

    If you think Sorc is good, try a fighting a good MagDK or Stamina warden. You won’t be able to kill a good one.

    Aw *** it. I give up. If you can’t beat them, join them.

    Duuuuuuuuuuuh! Nerf Sorc!

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    Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 15, 2018 4:18PM
  • Datolite
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    See, the denial will come. This guy think cause I mentioned fury spam that I don't know how to play. Sadly, it's just something I did as an experiment that yielded more points than actually playing. Now that is the definition of broken...
  • Dutchessx
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    See, the denial will come. This guy think cause I mentioned fury spam that I don't know how to play. Sadly, it's just something I did as an experiment that yielded more points than actually playing. Now that is the definition of broken...

    If you think sorc is easy and a win button take it to Cyrodiil and don't surf the zerg.
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  • Datolite
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    Dutchessx wrote: »
    See, the denial will come. This guy think cause I mentioned fury spam that I don't know how to play. Sadly, it's just something I did as an experiment that yielded more points than actually playing. Now that is the definition of broken...

    If you think sorc is easy and a win button take it to Cyrodiil and don't surf the zerg.

    You could say that about any class. You're basically saying "if you think that's easy, make it harder for yourself."

    LOL

    And I did BTW. It was actually impossible to die thanks to Streak.
    Edited by Datolite on February 9, 2018 8:42PM
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