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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And you're sure you wouldn't have died too when some other execute hit you instead of fury? You know, there are other long distance executes in the game as well.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And you're sure you wouldn't have died too when some other execute hit you instead of fury? You know, there are other long distance executes in the game as well.
There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
Edited by Minalan on February 12, 2018 3:47PM0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?0 -
W0lf_z13✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
@Minalan wasn't saying that sorcs dont have a "Defile" they were saying sorcs dont have a debuff ... we as mDK's have talons which give minor maim as well as standard which gives defileEdited by W0lf_z13 on February 12, 2018 3:54PMBreton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
what about minor vulnerability? That's a strong one.
But I agree, Sorc is ok, even a little underpowered from what it should be (Imho, sorcs should be the class used to balance things, instead of Wrobel)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And you're sure you wouldn't have died too when some other execute hit you instead of fury? You know, there are other long distance executes in the game as well.
Death report doesn't lie, last hit endless fury.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!Edited by Minalan on February 12, 2018 5:20PM9 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Ty!!!
My God maybe people will get a clue !2 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Give frags it's damage back, Nerf execute and shield sizeFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info2 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And you're sure you wouldn't have died too when some other execute hit you instead of fury? You know, there are other long distance executes in the game as well.
Death report doesn't lie, last hit endless fury.
That'snot what I asked. I want to know if you are sure you would not die if someone hits you with another execute instead of fury.
But we already know the answer. Of course you would. If you fall below 20% health almost every burst (and therefore every execute as well) would kill you. Be it Impale, Reverse Slice, Radiant Destruction or whatever.
And of course Wrath/Fury will pop up on your death recap. After all it's an execute. Wrath is good for kill stealing. That's it. Other executes are good at killing too, it's just the "stealing" part that you notice.6 -
Fasold666✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Thanks for posting this. Nice overview. Tbh, this should be the first thing to post now when "nerf sorc" threads pop up lolEdited by Fasold666 on February 12, 2018 7:29PMYoutube: Magsorc 1vX/2vX (PC EU) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUvY0dhkrpJZo-J5ts_cq9A2 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?Edited by Sharee on February 12, 2018 7:41PM3 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
But you can have it just by slotting earth gore. The execute is nice though. I won't lie. My Magblade outclasses my sorc on most things but that is just cooler than impale. Great for racking up killing blows with that 4 second window.2 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
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W0lf_z13✭✭✭✭✭
✭as @technohic said... "silence" is NOT a buff/debuff ...Breton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Arguing semantics is pointless and meshes together all of sorcs issues into a mass of bleh that is more unrecognizable than usual.
You could say negate is an aoe hard + soft cc. But who cares, that contributes nothing. Maybe it's everything. Whoopdedoo.
The point is that people want to nerf sorcs as if sorcs have access to many of the same things other classes do that round them out/provide other options, but don't realize that those things don't exist...or are nerfed into oblivion already.3 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
I’m not arguing that woe is Sorc we are so underpowered it’s ridiculous. I’m asking for small, targeted class buffs to improve our quality of gameplay and competitiveness in PVP.
We aren’t the worst off by far in PVP, but we’re not in the top three or four. So I advocate for improvements.Edited by Minalan on February 12, 2018 8:09PM4 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
It's not really sorcs doing that to fit the claim. Someone simply parsed out all the buff/debuffs defined by ZOS into their source classes.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Arguing semantics is pointless and meshes together all of sorcs issues into a mass of bleh that is more unrecognizable than usual.
You could say negate is an aoe hard + soft cc. But who cares, that contributes nothing. Maybe it's everything. Whoopdedoo.
The point is that people want to nerf sorcs as if sorcs have access to many of the same things other classes do that round them out/provide other options, but don't realize that those things don't exist...or are nerfed into oblivion already.
Just throw it on the list, hell you could throw 5 more things on that list and Sorc still comes up shortEdited by Waffennacht on February 12, 2018 8:07PM1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.
They don’t call ‘spammable root’ a debuff either, but that hasn’t stopped a single MagDK from keeping ridiculous uptime on that. They also don’t call an undodgable yanking someone back to them with chains a debuff either.
Let’s keep this in perspective shall we?1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.
They don’t call ‘spammable root’ a debuff either, but that hasn’t stopped a single MagDK from keeping ridiculous uptime on that. They also don’t call an undodgable yanking someone back to them with chains a debuff either.
Let’s keep this in perspective shall we?
Everything that makes your character perform worse is by definition a debuff. That includes snares, silence, etc. etc.
There is a category of debuffs that has a major and minor variant, but that does not mean *only* things belonging to that category count as debuffs.Edited by Sharee on February 12, 2018 8:26PM0 -
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.
They don’t call ‘spammable root’ a debuff either, but that hasn’t stopped a single MagDK from keeping ridiculous uptime on that. They also don’t call an undodgable yanking someone back to them with chains a debuff either.
Let’s keep this in perspective shall we?
Being caught using double standards twice? No problem. Just change topic.
Why. Are you so mad at Sorcs?
Fact is you have more major/minor buffs and debuffs at your disposal. And you have utility skills that we don’t.
That also wasn’t my picture, and I clearly mentioned our execute as a targeted debuff, because of the four second timer on it.
What. Do you want? Or is this some thing where you like to argue pointless minutia?0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.
They don’t call ‘spammable root’ a debuff either, but that hasn’t stopped a single MagDK from keeping ridiculous uptime on that. They also don’t call an undodgable yanking someone back to them with chains a debuff either.
Let’s keep this in perspective shall we?
Being caught using double standards twice? No problem. Just change topic.
Why. Are you so mad at Sorcs?
Fact is you have more major/minor buffs and debuffs at your disposal. And you have utility skills that we don’t.
That also wasn’t my picture, and I clearly mentioned our execute as a targeted debuff, because of the four second timer on it.
What. Do you want? Or is this some thing where you like to argue pointless minutia?
"We deserve an execute that basically removes 20% of enemy health (since at 20% he just dies) because we dont have any debuffs in our class tree". That statement was incorrect. You have silence in your class tree, and silence is a debuff. Thus, my reply. What i want is you recognizing that fact, instead of writhing with lame excuses like "you can just roll out of it, so it does not count as a debuff!"(after listing an effin standard for debuff)1 -
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✭as a Magicka DK main player ... it easy enough to roll/step out of negate ... on occasion yeah i'll die inside a negate... but oh well .... yeah it sucks we dont have an exicute ... i just end up using my leap as an execute ( been hitting some people for 16.5k crit leaps in cyro )Breton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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✭✭✭✭There are. But none of the other executes have a four second time fuse on them. Some will say well, how is that balanced?
Well, that’s because it’s the ONLY DEBUFF Sorcs get from our class tree. We don’t get defile or any of the cool ones, unless we wear a set or use a weapon line.
You have the most powerful debuff from your class tree - a silence.
And if ultimates don't count: Well my mDK does not have a defile either, where's my execute?
I mean this: @Sharee
Yes it’s missing major exp on Sorc.
As you can see from the list, your DK gets major defile, major fracture, and minor maim.
Sorc gets mage’s fury, and silence on an ultimate. But we have no access to any other debuffs in our skill tree.
PS: Sorc OP. Look at that huge ridiculous list of class buffs. Nerf now pls!
Why does your pretty list say DK got major defile (meaning you count ultimates) but not sorc silence (meaning you don't count ultimates). Double standards much?
Also, my mDK sure sees a lot of use for that major fracture. Tell you what. You can have ALL my debuffs in exchange for silence and an execute. Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah, i don't think so either. Poor sorcs. No debuffs. Cry me a river.
Probably because negate is not considered a buff by ZOS. This is their standard minor and major buffs.
Yea that's what i'm getting at. Sorcs only don't have debuffs if the definition of what a "debuff" is suits the claim. I mean, silence may not have a minor or major variants, but it sure is one a hell of a debuff.
When I can put a ‘silence’ debuff on you that you can’t just roll dodge out of the small AOE bubble in one second, then we call it a debuff. Right now it’s a small area of effect bubble. Don’t walk into it!
*points in the general direction of a dragonknight's standard.
They don’t call ‘spammable root’ a debuff either, but that hasn’t stopped a single MagDK from keeping ridiculous uptime on that. They also don’t call an undodgable yanking someone back to them with chains a debuff either.
Let’s keep this in perspective shall we?
Being caught using double standards twice? No problem. Just change topic.
Why. Are you so mad at Sorcs?
Fact is you have more major/minor buffs and debuffs at your disposal. And you have utility skills that we don’t.
That also wasn’t my picture, and I clearly mentioned our execute as a targeted debuff, because of the four second timer on it.
What. Do you want? Or is this some thing where you like to argue pointless minutia?
"We deserve an execute that basically removes 20% of enemy health (since at 20% he just dies) because we dont have any debuffs in our class tree". That statement was incorrect. You have silence in your class tree, and silence is a debuff. Thus, my reply. What i want is you recognizing that fact, instead of writhing with lame excuses like "you can just roll out of it, so it does not count as a debuff!"(after listing an effin standard for debuff)
Negate is not one of the standard buff/debuff classes from ZOS. It’s a unique ability. Like fossilize, talons, scales, and leap.
Our execute is technically a debuff, but it’s still not in any of the major/minor classes. It’s an ability.
I’m sorry you don’t get an execute, and I’m not saying you shouldn’t have one. But that’s not a reason to keep vomiting all over in a nerf Sorc thread. You aren’t here asking to remove nightblade or Templar executes. Just ours. So GFY...3 -
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If you count non-major/minor effects, then throw silence onto this list, but also the damage bonus from standard. Also the empower from chains. And the reflect from wings and the healthgating from armor.
You can have an execute if you give us your Flame Lash spammable - in lightning, of course. Oh, and give us a passive that says "free 25% damage on everything against vampires".
Stop pretending your class is weak, it's unkillable in groups and has been OP in duels forever. Don't need any PvP buffs and even PvE is not needed, as you make the best tanks.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »See, the denial will come. This guy think cause I mentioned fury spam that I don't know how to play. Sadly, it's just something I did as an experiment that yielded more points than actually playing. Now that is the definition of broken...
If you think sorc is easy and a win button take it to Cyrodiil and don't surf the zerg.
You could say that about any class. You're basically saying "if you think that's easy, make it harder for yourself."
LOL
And I did BTW. It was actually impossible to die thanks to Streak.
Bring your Sorc to the next open Legend dueling tourney. Try fighting some people that know how to play. Edit: here’s the Legend thread. Please look at past winners and find me a mag Sorc in the top three since the last patch. Only ONE made top five in the last year or so.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381945/legend-tournament-series-4-tourneys-this-week-faso-streaming#latest
Try fighting people that know how to gap close, streak has a multiplicative cost increase. Gap closers don’t.
Try fighting people that dodge and cloak your burst
Try fighting people that purge your curse constantly.
Try fighting people that can outheal and block most of your damage.
Frankly most classes played correctly, especially stamina specs, will take you apart.
Look. I’m sorry Templar is in such a sorry state, but the answer isn’t to nerf a class you think is easy/better, that’s potato-thinking. Templar needs some serious love since they got cut to pieces last year by ZOS.
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