with dive being nerfed atleast now warden can be buffed for pve without pvpers crying op

Well, it does say dive and it's morphs right, so both stam and magicka versions are effected? Or am I reading something wrong?

Never should have been a skill which can't be dodged to start with.

Now I just hope that CH2 class balance will buff them up and bring them on par with others.

Needed to be done. An underperforming spec clutching on a single overperforming ability is bad design. I just hope we will see some buffs to other things.

Turelus wrote: »

Never should have been a skill which can't be dodged to start with.

Now I just hope that CH2 class balance will buff them up and bring them on par with others.

I've played and fought wardens plenty, the ability wasn't that strong. It's just whining of the masses of dodge rollers that run away as soon as they start losing a fight.

Problem is though, it's so slow and clunky to use, that unless it is overhauled, that does a lot to kill its use. If they rework it, maybe the class can be worthwhile in pve.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Never should have been a skill which can't be dodged to start with.

Now I just hope that CH2 class balance will buff them up and bring them on par with others.

That's why some players are "upset" over the change because we don't see ZOS reworking/buffing Wardens to make them anymore viable than they already are(n't). I just made mine a tank/healer so I'm okay.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for ZOS to rework Warden's abilities to line them up with the other classes.

Tell me how the undodgeable part made Wardens better for PvE.

"This is a buff if you're a boss in a dungeon that uses shuffle or roll dodge"

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Never should have been a skill which can't be dodged to start with.

Now I just hope that CH2 class balance will buff them up and bring them on par with others.

That's why some players are "upset" over the change because we don't see ZOS reworking/buffing Wardens to make them anymore viable than they already are(n't). I just made mine a tank/healer so I'm okay.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for ZOS to rework Warden's abilities to line them up with the other classes.

Tell me how the undodgeable part made Wardens better for PvE.

I didn't say it made them better, lol. I was just replying to the other player who said they hoped ZOS would buff/rework them to which I said that I am not holding my breath for any buffs or reworks.

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, mine is gona be a buffbot in a zerg now.

Magplar2.0
But on a side note Templars are non existent in pvp unless they're healers, I'll play for hours and the temps I run into are buddies or some guy spamming ice clench and healing ult/nova. Rant for another day though lol.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Never should have been a skill which can't be dodged to start with.

Now I just hope that CH2 class balance will buff them up and bring them on par with others.

That's why some players are "upset" over the change because we don't see ZOS reworking/buffing Wardens to make them anymore viable than they already are(n't). I just made mine a tank/healer so I'm okay.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for ZOS to rework Warden's abilities to line them up with the other classes.

Tell me how the undodgeable part made Wardens better for PvE.

I didn't say it made them better, lol. I was just replying to the other player who said they hoped ZOS would buff/rework them to which I said that I am not holding my breath for any buffs or reworks.

Ah, then I get that wrong. Indeed, they need a little help for pve dps. Personally, I had lower the impact dmg from birds and added a DoT to (over-?)compensate for that. But who am I to decide that kind of things.

Yeah, it'd be nice. I just turned my Warden into a tank/healer. I am going to have to see what happens when this hits live to decide whether I keep him as my main though... tanks are boring imo... lol.

They should just make Wardens part of the base game so that they do not have to worry about any sort of "P2W" BS from whiners.

Kilandros wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You now suck for Pve and PvP

Cool

Edit: I should say magicka, the dive change does absolutely nothing to the darn near OP Stam version

Omg overreact much. If you needed undodgeable birds to perform as a MagWarden in PvP that tells me that you were basically just surfing around Xv1ing solo/small scale players.

First off read my material and realize I'm a solo PvP and BG player.

Second, it's not an isolated change. They strictly made mag warden worse. Meaning Stam warden, and especially mag NB are superior choices. Why purposely play a worse class/resource?

Next, even running a non -tank/healer warden was for PvP, now that everything a mag warden does is slow, it's now the most easily avoided class. On console someone roll dodging to the side is an affective counter to shalk, now it also counters birds. Just roll dodging alone counters everything a mag warden does. This of course only pertains to small scale.

In fact I'd say this has more of an affect on solo/small scale than zerging

Waffennacht wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You now suck for Pve and PvP

Cool

Edit: I should say magicka, the dive change does absolutely nothing to the darn near OP Stam version

Omg overreact much. If you needed undodgeable birds to perform as a MagWarden in PvP that tells me that you were basically just surfing around Xv1ing solo/small scale players.

First off read my material and realize I'm a solo PvP and BG player.

Second, it's not an isolated change. They strictly made mag warden worse. Meaning Stam warden, and especially mag NB are superior choices. Why purposely play a worse class/resource?

Next, even running a non -tank/healer warden was for PvP, now that everything a mag warden does is slow, it's now the most easily avoided class. On console someone roll dodging to the side is an affective counter to shalk, now it also counters birds. Just roll dodging alone counters everything a mag warden does. This of course only pertains to small scale.

In fact I'd say this has more of an affect on solo/small scale than zerging

Please. Just please. Magwarden can hit 50k Magicka and 3.5k spell damage while having BiS magicka AND stamina sustain and heals. Please cry me a river.

ak_pvp wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

TO ALL MAGDENS:

If birds are so bad vs pulse, why would you want to change the delay. Wouldn't it just be a worse copy of pulse? Both unreflectable, both dodgable, but one provides the added effects of destro.

Why do wardens run both. I'll give you a hint. Delayed burst.

They ran both because it's literally the only way to fill your bar

Edit: that burst combo was good against pros for about the first two weeks, after that only potatoes die to it

I'm guessing you mean passives. But surely something else can fit the bill. And I am pretty sure that is same with all burst combos. ProvPro is decided by who makes the mistake first. My burst on sorcs can be avoided, same on my DK, same on warden, same on NB. It shouldn't require mechanic skipping abilities to work. Which is why I am all for powerlash being dodgable, for example.

You talk a lot about magWarden. What's the character name of yours on PC EU. You seem to be an expert on the class, so you might can give mine some tips, great master of wisdom?

Welcome to the club, Warden Brothers.

Your firey friends hold out open arms for you.

MagDK/MagDen Shipping... I call it... Freezerburn

(Making birds dodgable and reflectable is a good move, imo. Hopefully in three months both of us can see some buffs)

Warden was/is conceptually broken. I don´t think undodgeable spammable should have been ever been a thing to begin with.
Now they can begin adressing the classes shortcomings.

Derra wrote: »

Warden was/is conceptually broken. I don´t think undodgeable spammable should have been ever been a thing to begin with.
Now they can begin adressing the classes shortcomings.

Problem is people will gravitate now to shimmering complaints when they get killed. 3 months and a shimmering nerf later, magWardens will be bottom tier, while stamWardens still own the place. Yay, forum balance!