DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

...I think a campaign with literally zero vet players in it would just be a bunch of people trying really hard to kill NPCs and dying a bunch.

Endless Bridge War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the idea of locking people out of Kyne once their account hits CP160, I don't know that it would actually prevent re-rollers from playing in Kyne. Since you don't actually gain CP playing in Kyne or leveling a character for Kyne, it would be really easy to stay under 160 CP. Hell, I'm only in the 200s, and that's mostly because I grinded up to 160 shortly before they removed vet ranks. If somebody wanted to spend an eternity in Kyne, they could just create a new account (assuming they are already at 160CP) and never use a character after it vets out. If anything, I think the type of person who just want to beat up on inexperienced players would be more likely to do this, while the type of person who actually wants to help new players may be more inclined to just stay out of Kyne.

This caught my attention:

With Update 17, we're introducing the new Level Up Advisor system and Skills Advisor tool. These new features help you make wiser, more engaging decisions about character advancement and provide you with suggestions on your character's build and use of gameplay mechanics.
With the Level Up Advisor, every time one of your characters gains a level, you will receive gameplay tips and useful rewards.

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These rewards will include gold, crafting materials, and consumables, and certain key leveling milestones will even reward you with a new mount or a Crown Crate! With the Skills Advisor tool, you'll also be able to get more information on the many options available for your character's Skills, Abilities, and use of certain in-game mechanics. If you are new or unfamiliar with aspects of ESO's advancement system, these two additions will help give you a better understanding of the choices available to you as you level up your characters.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26281

Adenoma wrote: »

@Lumsdenml , people who don't play this campaign act like it's some awful thing that more experienced players are in there. I tend not to want to do organized groups of experienced players in vet because I think that's pretty cheesy (like last night it took DC a full raid and 6+ siege to get us out of Chalman mine), but solo/duo players really aren't a huge issue. Right after we were rooted out of that mine I was whispered by a DC player who said they were glad that we were exposing them to better players and getting them ready for vet even though we aren't running proxy/destro groups, don't have earthgore, etc. I mean, for being accused by folks of running cheesy group comps two of our eight were literally running snipe gank builds.

For whatever "toxic" presence we may be to those who don't actually play the campaign I know that I made four sets of all purple gear for new players and chatted with all of those via voice or text regarding some basic ways to play their class. It's almost like some of us enjoy helping new players.

Oh, and I've spent over 100k gold since I've been back in Kyne buying horses for folks. But my real crime is having dawnbreaker on a character.

I can confirm, it was quite the effort to get that group out of the mine tower, although satisfying once done. It would have been kind of cheap though if DC didn't have both the numbers and some coordination within the group.
As it is, in Kyne I can do ok despite being both new to PvP and running gear that's blue and often 4-6 levels out of date; I can't imagine that's true in any of the vet campaigns. If my experiences in Kyne had been anything like my experiences in Vivec (on a CP ranked and geared character) I would have fled Cyrodiil as soon as I got the skills I was looking for.
Instead, I found a fun bunch of people to play with and figure out what's going on in Cyrodiil PvP.
I don't personally plan on rolling another character of the same spec when this one levels out, because I'd like to keep it more about learning for me, but it's no skin off my nose if someone keeps rerolling the same spec.

I have found a (very small) number of players that are rather overtuned for Kyne, but it's not a huge amount, and in my book, if they are willing to play alongside less skilled/experienced players and help with coordination/skills/teaching, it's all good. There are a few on another faction that I've almost exclusively encountered camping back-keep resources with only their core very skilled group present, and I've seen 1-2 in our zone chat ranting about the scrubbiness of DC players - I don't think either of those is particularly helpful considering the state of PvP in this game, but I don't see how to stop them. (And as posted above and as I've seen in other games, if someone wants to prey on the inexperienced, it's not hard/costly to get another account to do so). Letting the truly inexperienced flounder entirely on their own would just mean that they'd be in for a rude awakening in vet PvP and you'd lose a lot there. Restricting CP-ranked accounts to the vet PvP campaigns only would just mean that a lot of people just wouldn't start in PvP until their character was CP ranked.

I'll say that the fact that I'm getting asked to help farm normal asylum weapons is the most sad thing I've ever seen. I hope @ZOS_GinaBruno can pass the word up the grapevine so that new players don't have to suffer from next level twinks. That's ridiculous. Do you guys really need that stuff to farm pugs?

Agreed. And I would also agree that singles/duos etc don't really present the kind of imbalance that a large group of seasoned PvP players does. For me it comes down to intent. If the main reason someone is in Kyne is to learn (in general, or a class/spec that's new to them) or to help show newer players (whether completely new or new to PvP) I don't have too many issues with it. If they're there just because they can be the big fish in a little pond, whether via skills or gear noone else would likely run, that's kind of sad. But I can't read peoples minds as to why they're there so I'm not calling anyone out.
nAsylum weapons in Kyne is really really sad though. I have been running a mix of blue Julianos and whatever color it dropped at Bloodthorn and it seems to do well enough.

The good thing with next patch is we wont have to buy new players horses, it will come as a reward. I hope it's a reward they get at level 10 when they get the invite to Cyrodiil.

@MajBludd , I think it's a lot more sad than that. Let's get real - anyone who is farming those is making of them gold too.

My stamwarden (rest her soul) was a zergling a first but I stepped away from zerging cause I wanted to get better and honestly that was the best choice I made in my pvp career. I play a lot solo now and it's fun. If people are farming a AS weapon for kyne then my nightmares are coming true

Swaye wrote: »

I can hardly believe all the BS I read here sometimes.

No matter what any of you say nothing will change in Kyne and Kyne will be just fine.

So quit thumping your chests and clutching your pearls.

Get over yourselves and just play, you might even have fun.

WTB 1,000,000 fun

Swaye wrote: »

I can hardly believe all the BS I read here sometimes.

No matter what any of you say nothing will change in Kyne and Kyne will be just fine.

So quit thumping your chests and clutching your pearls.

Get over yourselves and just play, you might even have fun.

@Swaye who are you again? Oh that's right. You're the wannabe verbal assassin who pops in here thumping your chest talking some B.S. that nobody ever pays any attention to. Just be quiet and go back the the PvDoor you love so much.

vamp_emily wrote: »

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

@Swaye who are you again? Oh that's right. You're the wannabe verbal assassin who pops in here thumping your chest talking some B.S. that nobody ever pays any attention to. Just be quiet and go back the the PvDoor you love so much.

lol. Aren't you the noob that got sniped with 2k damage and quit pvp? I could just imagine your tears if you got hit with 3k damage dawnbreaker.

No I am not that noob. And I make fun of people that hit me with Dawnbreaker in Kyne because in general they are either terrible players or terrible people. You pick.

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

@Swaye who are you again? Oh that's right. You're the wannabe verbal assassin who pops in here thumping your chest talking some B.S. that nobody ever pays any attention to. Just be quiet and go back the the PvDoor you love so much.

lol. Aren't you the noob that got sniped with 2k damage and quit pvp? I could just imagine your tears if you got hit with 3k damage dawnbreaker.

No I am not that noob. And I make fun of people that hit me with Dawnbreaker in Kyne because in general they are either terrible players or terrible people. You pick.

Don't even bother man. You are dealing with an adult who has the mental capacity of a 12 year old. A person who acts as if trash talking complete strangers somehow makes them superior. It's a waste of time. There are several of them here. The ESO villains. Lol

To be fair, my highest level character is level 38. So if any of you multiple champion point character having idiots are proud of killing me then LOL. Go ahead and run your mouth. I have not ever hit level 50 yet.