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Do you think the Exploit Perma Ban was too harsh? Yes or No?
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Define "permanent". They can buy ESO again and create a new account and play again. Yes they will be starting all over again, but they will be back.
True on that. ZOS doesnt permaban people, only accounts - they even state openly "you are allowed to purchase a new account".
Is it true about game developers having the ability to actually permanently ban individuals from their game whether or not they buy the games again?
What Sony or Microsoft does is ban the MAC address of the console on the PSN.
Most developers can't do that with out MS pr Sony cooperation.
Then you get another console with a different MAC.
Beware buying cheap used consoles.
On PC you buy another network card or router/ modem and change your IP.
But devs that ban by machine are rare on PC, usually just by IP.
Interesting. I would assume for most having to buy a new console just to play a game you were banned from would be a sizable deterrent from coming back. Not sure the price of network cards these days. But players with most laptops prob aren't opening them up to change network card.
Very true, but there are a lot of people out there that have more money than brains.
Or ZOS could (as punishment) send through the game client a nasty virus/code that essentially makes a guilty player's PC toast. lol
LOL, PC programmers do have a few more options via software like computing a hash code by taking hard drive serial number or other hardware or the client software itself can have an activation code.
Console people are really screwed if they get a MS or Sony ban as the can not play any game new or otherwise that requires network access.0 -
Hanokihs✭✭✭✭✭This ain't Oblivion/Skyrim. Save the boss sniping and exploits for single-player games, where there's no environment for leaderboard/bragging right competition."I haven't really played much yet, but lemme tell you all about how the game should include X and be a lot more like Y!" - Half the posters on this forum."I've been here for years, and lemme tell you all about how they should never change or evolve Z, because then the game would be ruined forever." - The other half of posters on this forum.3 -
akl77✭✭✭✭✭
✭It’s just a game, people made mistakes.
At the end of the day, they are just trying to play in their way to having fun, taking away their right to play permanently is too harsh.
Yes they are cheaters and in the wrong and deserve the punishment, but perma ban is too harsh.
It’s just a game.
I’d say name and shame is all they needed.
They build themselves the reputation and status in the game, when everyone knows they are the cheaters, it’s enough punishment and shame.Pc na0 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So people were banned cause they killed boss while he couldn't attack them? If it really was the only case why they got banned, I don't think such actions deserve perma bans.
Such actions deserve: to lose all achievements earned cause of exploit (skin, titles, journal entries, polymorph if they unlocked it), all loot they earned (perfect weapons and unopened runeboxes). Also they should lose all gold earned since the exploit was done first time. And some temporary ban in addition so they can think about their actions and what not to do in future maybe
If they keep doing such things again, punishment is repeated but now with more days of ban. If they return and do it again third time... Well, only then it could be valid reason for permaban because doing such roll backs so many times would not be productive 
What actions deserve perma bans in my opinion: using third party software to gain unfair advantage, botting, griefing or harassing other players. I've read that some of banned players were ruining trial runs for people who were not members of their guild - if it's true, I clarify this as griefing and this deserves to be bannable action
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Now they should go back and bann the 100s of people that did the same in vMoL2 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It’s just a game, people made mistakes.
At the end of the day, they are just trying to play in their way to having fun, taking away their right to play permanently is too harsh.
Yes they are cheaters and in the wrong and deserve the punishment, but perma ban is too harsh.
It’s just a game.
I’d say name and shame is all they needed.
They build themselves the reputation and status in the game, when everyone knows they are the cheaters, it’s enough punishment and shame.
They have no "right" to access to the game. Access to the game is completely at the discretion of ZOS. They can suspend and ban accounts as they see fit. If ZOS feels an account is in violation of the ToS they can action the account however they deem appropriate. Purchasing the game only leases you an access point.2 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Not going to bother reading the rest of the thread. Permaban was a just punishment. Move on.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 504 -
Looeeze✭✭✭I feel like I may have actually been living under a rock.... I keep seeing people complaining about people constantly talking about exploit bans.... can anyone enlighten me as to what people are talking about? Or aren't we allowed to talk about it?Xbox One - North America1
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XDragonDoomX✭✭✭✭✭Personally I think ZOS should take the same stance as H1Z1 bans"Forums are like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea.
massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. ”
(with apologies to Eugene H. Spafford, aka Spaf)
I have the power to please one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow... Tomorrow does not look good either.
82. Victory laps after killing the dragon with my 1d2 bow is considered in poor taste.
83. My gnome does not like big butts and he cannot lie.
84. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying a 220lb pull crossbow.
85. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying an industrial strength flamethrower.
86. Not allowed to make a superhero with a 99% chance of dodging even after the -10 penalty for a successful called shot.
87. There is no such thing as a dwarven katana.
88. My bard does not get a bonus to perform if she is obviously not wearing anything under her tabard.
89. The elf's name is not Legolam.
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do not know how the scope, if they did it a couple times to get gear and achievements its too strong, if farming skin / selling runs then yes.
Its an obvious exploit fighting an boss who will not fight back.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Compared to some of the things players have gotten away with, yes it unfair.#MOREORBS1 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭we've all been banned from pvp....
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Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.1 -
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.
How? I guess they get a weapon out of it. But that isn’t much compared to what those that used cheat engine did. Or are you saying I’m some how affected because of a skin or title or achievement someone has? Because I’m not.4 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.
How? I guess they get a weapon out of it. But that isn’t much compared to what those that used cheat engine did. Or are you saying I’m some how affected because of a skin or title or achievement someone has? Because I’m not.
They also got the hardest skin in the game to get now legit, and plus your not supposed to be taking advantage of any kind of bug no matter what it is. Also as I might add not only did they cheese the fight they were selling skin runs for 3m each.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on November 13, 2017 12:46AM4 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.
How? I guess they get a weapon out of it. But that isn’t much compared to what those that used cheat engine did. Or are you saying I’m some how affected because of a skin or title or achievement someone has? Because I’m not.
They also got the hardest skin in the game to get now legit, and plus your not supposed to be taking advantage of any kind of bug no matter what it is. Also as I might add not only did they cheese the fight they were selling skin runs for 3m each.
That is sort of funny. People are so use to Zos doing nothing, they were actually willing to pay 3 million gold to cheat.1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.
How? I guess they get a weapon out of it. But that isn’t much compared to what those that used cheat engine did. Or are you saying I’m some how affected because of a skin or title or achievement someone has? Because I’m not.
They also got the hardest skin in the game to get now legit, and plus your not supposed to be taking advantage of any kind of bug no matter what it is. Also as I might add not only did they cheese the fight they were selling skin runs for 3m each.
That is sort of funny. People are so use to Zos doing nothing, they were actually willing to pay 3 million gold to cheat.
No they were selling runs in general chat to the public (actual players) that have no idea it was an exploit1 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm gona say this again here as well.
"They knew what they were doing, these are the consequences of their actions, end of the story."
also to quote my favorite Khajiit guard: "Your break the LAW and the LAW will break you."Edited by xenowarrior92eb17_ESO on November 13, 2017 12:57AM7 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They cheated plain and simple.
They knew it was wrong and they knew they should not have done it.
They deserved what they got, but I would have been fine with a week or month long ban along with the items being removed from their accounts.
Needs to happen more oftenEdited by Katahdin on November 13, 2017 1:08AMBeta tester November 20135 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s just a game, people made mistakes.
At the end of the day, they are just trying to play in their way to having fun, taking away their right to play permanently is too harsh.
Yes they are cheaters and in the wrong and deserve the punishment, but perma ban is too harsh.
It’s just a game.
I’d say name and shame is all they needed.
They build themselves the reputation and status in the game, when everyone knows they are the cheaters, it’s enough punishment and shame.
No. The type of players and attitude that they had are not the type of playstyle MMORPGs want.
Sending a strong firm message is most beneficial. Clearing such rubbish from the game is most beneficial since the types of players who found the exploit and took advantage of it vs reporting it usually will repeat such behavior. I have seen it time and time again in years of playing MMOs.
MMOs generally fare better if players know a firm hand is taken against those that cheat.3 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I haven’t read the whole thread, so maybe someone said this already. But it is strange to me that an activity like this that has no impact on other players gets a perma ban. Yet the people who were using cheat engine in pvp, which does affect other peoples game play were let back in the game. Seems backwards to me.
Perhaps read it; it does affect other players. As well as other people - like ZOS who have to deal with this BS.
How? I guess they get a weapon out of it. But that isn’t much compared to what those that used cheat engine did. Or are you saying I’m some how affected because of a skin or title or achievement someone has? Because I’m not.
They also got the hardest skin in the game to get now legit, and plus your not supposed to be taking advantage of any kind of bug no matter what it is. Also as I might add not only did they cheese the fight they were selling skin runs for 3m each.
That is sort of funny. People are so use to Zos doing nothing, they were actually willing to pay 3 million gold to cheat.
No they were selling runs in general chat to the public (actual players) that have no idea it was an exploit
You would think they would put it together when the group was all, ‘ok now we all stand over here where the boss can never hit us...’
I mean I’m sure those poor innocent victims reported it as soon as they saw how it was done.2 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭I guess in the future, people will second guess whether or not to exploit.
I just hope that this is just the beginning of ZOS taking a harder stance on exploiters and cheaters.
Now, only if they would fix the bugs and lag in Cyrodiil. I'm really getting tired of fights with no sound. Half the time I don't hear incoming attacks, or know if my attacks are even going off.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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Imza✭✭✭✭They were selling skins and selling runs based on an exploit - they got what they deserved5 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just Yes or No. Votes are anonymous - let’s see what the majority is.
I believe it was too harsh.
Permanent bans should be reserved for those who use obvious cheats like hacking the game or using unauthorized third party programs. Exploiting unintended advantages in the existing game design isn't something I'm comfortable with the developers punishing players for - let alone banning them permanently from the game over.
Edited by Jeremy on November 13, 2017 6:21AM2
