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Response to the Veteran Hard Mode Asylum Sanctorium Trial Exploit - Nov. 10

ZOS_JessicaFolsom
ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Community Manager
Recently, a small number of players discovered a way to kill Saint Olms + 2 (Hard mode in Veteran Asylum Sanctorium) from safely outside his room where he could not attack them. This is not only unintended and an exploit, but it cheapens the time and work put in by players who have legitimately beat this fight and earn a very difficult achievement and reward. As a result, we have permanently banned all players – 34 accounts in all – who used the exploit to complete the kill and earn the special achievement and skin in this way. We will not be considering overturns for these account bans. They are permanent and final.

We are working on a fix for this exploit, but we will not be able to deploy it until Monday at the earliest. We will be watching things closely over the weekend. After we deploy the fix on Monday, we will do another audit of kills for this fight. Be warned: we will permanently ban any additional players who use the exploit over the weekend.
Jessica Folsom
Associate Director of Community - ZeniMax Online Studios
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  • Woeler
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    Hooray! Thanks for the fast response and the fast action. Excellent job.
    Edited by Woeler on November 10, 2017 9:31PM
  • Alcast
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    Finally some rightful punishment thanks ZOS.

    Also for those that do not understand it: there is a HUGE difference between finding a bug and purposly abusing it.
    Edited by Alcast on November 10, 2017 10:03PM
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  • Turelus
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    Thanks Jessica.

    It really makes me happy to see announcements like this being made to make sure people are aware not to do things as well as actions being taken by ZOS.

    I hope this helps people think about their actions in future.
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  • JamieAubrey
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    Serves you right and deserve it
  • Shad0wfire99
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    Get rekt.


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  • Azicah
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    Damn.
  • lynog85
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    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.
  • Mady
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    REKT :D
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  • rhapsodious
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    lynog85 wrote: »
    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.

    Haha no. This was deliberate and you had to be trying to do it in this fashion, and know what you were doing was wrong.

    You're blaming aerosol can makers because some people huff the fumes.

  • GandTheImpaler
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    Awesome response
  • NateS4
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    Thank you for taking swift and decisive action against these players. Hopefully console can get a fix for these endless loading screens soon as well.
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  • Loralai_907
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    This. Thank you for not only taking care of this in a severe manner, but also for sharing the information and numbers with the community.
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  • Smaxx
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    lynog85 wrote: »
    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.

    Nope. Considering this is clearly something that's beyond broken and nothing you can "complete" by accident. If you fight a boss and he misses a few hits, fine. But just clearing an encounter without the boss ever being able to hit you sounds like just too much.
  • White wabbit
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    lynog85 wrote: »
    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.

    Really I'm guessing you would use an exploit if you could , I say great job Zos
  • Lexxypwns
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  • Arthg
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    Way to go.

    At long last.
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  • Turelus
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    lynog85 wrote: »
    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.
    There is a nice little Terms of Service we all agree to when we join the game. In there we agree it's not their fault and if we abuse them we're subject to any punishment they deem fitting.

    It's very simple to not abuse bugs like this, and it's very clear when you're doing it. These actions are for the better of the game.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Fallewarrior
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    Justice prevails
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  • Horowonnoe
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    ZOS nerfhammer is now fully leveled.
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  • LiquidPony
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    lynog85 wrote: »
    Perma bans way too harsh imo. Zos are releasing unfinished content with these exploits only being possible because of THEM. I hope all accounts who done this get it overturned.

    lol

    The people who did this didn't accidentally exploit something.

    They figured it out on normal and then went back and intentionally exploited it on vet HM.

    And then some other people found out about it, got the details, and did the same thing. Some of those people are long-time players with 700+ CP who are regularly on the leaderboards. Who then were advertising in zone chats that they were selling vAS HM skin runs.

    So on top of exploiting and getting a skin and title that all end game PvE guilds covet, they then tried to use the exploit to make a bunch of in-game money.

    Can't imagine how dumb you have to be to risk a permanent ban for something like this.

    But I'm sure they stashed a bunch of gold and gear in a guild bank somewhere and they'll be back by the end of the day on new accounts.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom it'd be a real shame if you guys took a look at guild bank deposit transactions from the banned accounts and made all that money disappear ... most of which was probably earned via exploits like this one anyway.

    Good riddance. GG ZOS.
    Edited by LiquidPony on November 10, 2017 10:05PM
  • Lascelly
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    As someone on Xbox EU, I'm happy that you are taking this so seriously. The few guilds left standing are putting in hours to complete the trial legitimately and the exploit was just a smack in the face. Thank you ZOS!
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  • yodased
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    get shrekt
    Edited by yodased on November 10, 2017 10:06PM
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • Dont_do_drugs
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    awesome.

    Get Stuff like this (but not this stuff)


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  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Rekt

  • Vaoh
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    Yes!!! Thank you. I’m very surprised to see them take real action against this exploit. It’s a welcome sort of surprise lol.
  • Idinuse
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    I love this! Now apply it on Cyrodiil as well! Thank you!
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  • DisgracefulMind
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    Thank you for your decision on this matter and for following up with the community and really sticking up for your players that put an effort into the content you produce. I know that we've very much enjoyed vAS HM, and I'm glad that the incentive to try the content and to push for clears won't be ruined by exploiters. Thanks, ZoS. (:
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  • Foxic
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    Awesome to hear.
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  • Zaldan
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    Recently, a small number of players discovered a way to kill Saint Olms + 2 (Hard mode in Veteran Asylum Sanctorium) from safely outside his room where he could not attack them. This is not only unintended and an exploit, but it cheapens the time and work put in by players who have legitimately beat this fight and earn a very difficult achievement and reward. As a result, we have permanently banned all players – 34 accounts in all – who used the exploit to complete the kill and earn the special achievement and skin in this way. We will not be considering overturns for these account bans. They are permanent and final.

    We are working on a fix for this exploit, but we will not be able to deploy it until Monday at the earliest. We will be watching things closely over the weekend. After we deploy the fix on Monday, we will do another audit of kills for this fight. Be warned: we will permanently ban any additional players who use the exploit over the weekend.

    yeah whatever, past actions remove all credibility.
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