Any news about fix to shield stacking sorcs?

Adernath · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...

Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

Vesper_BR · November 2017

I'm not posting here because I'm losing to sorcs... I'm doing it because even I'm killing them, they are unbalanced, as permablockers

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

So what you say is that everybody should change theirs builds to be in equal to sorcs?

Alright...
You are telling me that even penetration, crits and helping debuffs, components of offensive part of every build should be ignored? And stacked to high values, more than any heal...

At the same time sorcs can keep high crit and high pen... Alright, alright... I give up...

I'm crying okay... I'm a cry baby...

Let me Save my time and stupid attempts to insult to brighten and look for hypocrites....

Feanor · November 2017

This thread is a real good example why Sorcs are OP. On the forums at least. Bad players can’t kill them. Hence they must be OP. And before you ask, I’m playing without Harness Magicka in noCP.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

I'm not posting here because I'm losing to sorcs... I'm doing it because even I'm killing them, they are unbalanced, as permablockers

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

So what you say is that everybody should change theirs builds to be in equal to sorcs?

Alright...
You are telling me that even penetration, crits and helping debuffs, components of offensive part of every build should be ignored? And stacked to high values, more than any heal...

At the same time sorcs can keep high crit and high pen... Alright, alright... I give up...

I'm crying okay... I'm a cry baby...

Let me Save my time and stupid attempts to insult to brighten and look for hypocrites....

Oh totally forgot that only sorcs can shield stack. And I also forget that sorcs cannot attack other shield users.

A little hint for you: even the penetration from a sorc is redundant when he meets an enemy who shieldstacks. Alright, alright.

And maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't dish out more than you can take if you bumb at that cry baby comment.

idk · November 2017

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Any good stam player should always beat a good Sorc in a 1v1. Stop complaining.

True logic never wins in these threads. It could never a problem with the players skill but skills their opponent used.

Biro123 · November 2017

Thread is funny..

but then I still see enough shieldbreaker use out there to see that people are still learning to play.

Minno · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

I'm not posting here because I'm losing to sorcs... I'm doing it because even I'm killing them, they are unbalanced, as permablockers

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

So what you say is that everybody should change theirs builds to be in equal to sorcs?

Alright...
You are telling me that even penetration, crits and helping debuffs, components of offensive part of every build should be ignored? And stacked to high values, more than any heal...

At the same time sorcs can keep high crit and high pen... Alright, alright... I give up...

I'm crying okay... I'm a cry baby...

Let me Save my time and stupid attempts to insult to brighten and look for hypocrites....

I didn't see you kill many shield stacking sorcs. I did see you struggle as DKs don't really have high spamable burst like sorc's/nbs. But what sorcs/nbs don't have is the ability to block or Regen resorces outside of Regen.

In the end, it comes down to CC attempts and draining a sorcs stamina. In your videos, I saw the CC early in nearly every fight. Combined with no points in shattering blows means your real opener attacks are predictable, easily negated by a mobile Sorc whose playing on your lack of range to their advantage.

Your mobilty is correct. Mist form into talons/take flight. But dual snb DK, in my opinion is outdated in this mobilty meta without a way to use snare/cost poisons from range.

New players or not, if a Sorc is beating you in that build, it's because they outplayed you. Mobility>dmg.

Vesper_BR · November 2017

Minno wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

I'm not posting here because I'm losing to sorcs... I'm doing it because even I'm killing them, they are unbalanced, as permablockers

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

So what you say is that everybody should change theirs builds to be in equal to sorcs?

Alright...
You are telling me that even penetration, crits and helping debuffs, components of offensive part of every build should be ignored? And stacked to high values, more than any heal...

At the same time sorcs can keep high crit and high pen... Alright, alright... I give up...

I'm crying okay... I'm a cry baby...

Let me Save my time and stupid attempts to insult to brighten and look for hypocrites....

I didn't see you kill many shield stacking sorcs. I did see you struggle as DKs don't really have high spamable burst like sorc's/nbs. But what sorcs/nbs don't have is the ability to block or Regen resorces outside of Regen.

In the end, it comes down to CC attempts and draining a sorcs stamina. In your videos, I saw the CC early in nearly every fight. Combined with no points in shattering blows means your real opener attacks are predictable, easily negated by a mobile Sorc whose playing on your lack of range to their advantage.

Your mobilty is correct. Mist form into talons/take flight. But dual snb DK, in my opinion is outdated in this mobilty meta without a way to use snare/cost poisons from range.

New players or not, if a Sorc is beating you in that build, it's because they outplayed you. Mobility>dmg.

How many times I need to say that I'm not asking because I'm losing to sorcs? Stam nb are by far my worst nightmare, but even not perfect, they are very balanced in terms of priorities in build. If planned for offense, they are a glass Cannons, if you try to be tanky, you will have less damage, and so on. But sorcs don't.

Me and my friend just notice, as a majority of known players know too, that sorcs are overperfoming...
The true is that only adepts of shields tacking are answering here, and keep defending it...
in every response people tend to get personal and trying to see if is my build is wrong, l2p or etc... No I'm not playing magdk anymore, i can kill easyly most of mag sorcs with it, if you talk mag/stam dks I can agree with you in pointing most of broken things in the class. As I can do in all four initial classes (I don't have Wardens).

I have one of each class and play commonly with and by side of all of them. Mag sorcs are by far the most broken and unbalanced...

And no, not just because I play as a sorc I will not will defend it, like you guys are doing... As I said and will say again, like many other brokens things in eso...
Sorcs need to be fixed..
note that I don't say nerfed, but at least fixed. To be played equally to other classes in terms of trade offs for offense and defense.

I'm becoming tired of this cancerous community, everything is taken personal, just look and see. Is there for everyone, I'm not talking about permablockers, there are posts about it, I'm talking about sorcs, not me, not you... Stoping taking it personal.

If u still think that it's balanced and play as a sorc... My friend... You're really selfish.

Valen_Byte · November 2017

Shield breaker

Biro123 · November 2017

The thing is, the only way to stop shieldstacking without totally breaking sorc is to provide other methods of defence to the class.

Sorcs have no way to gain resources or heal while blocking, have very poor heals/defensive buffs and nothing that synergises with heavy armour.

Sorc damage is also balanced around light armour. Force them into heavy and their damage tanks waay below anybody elses.

The single biggest problem I have with most 'nerf-sorc' threads is the statement in the initial post that 'sorcs are supposed to be glass-cannons'. Well, they are not. That is an ingrained view that comes from other mmo's. Mmo's where tanks can't heal, healers can't tank and dd's can't do either.

In this meta of tanks.. why should magsorc be the only class that is killable? And don't give me any 'tanks don't do damage' bs.. I've seen plenty of DK's soak much more damage than a shield-stacking sorc - and then drop a much higher burst too.. not as often, but the damage IS there.

The thing is, Zos have decided to balance in other ways. the frags nerf is actually a survivability nerf - because having a stun-component to a main damage ability is massively disruptive to your opponents attack patterns, taking pressure off your shields etc. Also its damage was reduced just prior to that. dark-deal cast time massively increased.. another survivability nerf.
Sounds a lot to me like they don't want to change the shield mechanics and will balance in other ways. This kind of means that they could end up taking away all of sorcs dmg and cc and mobility - but there will still be people saying 'nerf shield-stacking cos sorcs should be glass-cannons'...

Feanor · November 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

The thing is, the only way to stop shieldstacking without totally breaking sorc is to provide other methods of defence to the class.

Sorcs have no way to gain resources or heal while blocking, have very poor heals/defensive buffs and nothing that synergises with heavy armour.

Sorc damage is also balanced around light armour. Force them into heavy and their damage tanks waay below anybody elses.

The single biggest problem I have with most 'nerf-sorc' threads is the statement in the initial post that 'sorcs are supposed to be glass-cannons'. Well, they are not. That is an ingrained view that comes from other mmo's. Mmo's where tanks can't heal, healers can't tank and dd's can't do either.

In this meta of tanks.. why should magsorc be the only class that is killable? And don't give me any 'tanks don't do damage' bs.. I've seen plenty of DK's soak much more damage than a shield-stacking sorc - and then drop a much higher burst too.. not as often, but the damage IS there.

We’ve been preaching that for what feels like an eternity. At this point I think a solid white wall is more likely to listen. I’m actually fine with Harness magicka not being able to stack with Hardened or Empowered Ward - if you buff the base shield strength of Hardened and Empowered Ward or give Sorc a reliable burst heal that is not a pet.

My prediction is that in this case the QQ would only shift to the new defensive mechanics then. Sorcs aren’t allowed to live through the opponents damage it seems.

Apherius · November 2017

1 issue , lot of solutions.

If they make shields useless ( With all these nerf sorc thread , i think a day they will

) and just something that you use to prevent incomming burst, they need to change the whole sorcerer gameplay:

Either they buff our Burst
Either they buff our Selfheal and reduce the cost ( matriarche ? )
Either they remove the Streak debuff in order to make the sorcerer something like Tracer in overwatch... I mean... a class whose main defense is arround mobility, they could do great things with this skill.
Eitheir they add the damage mitigation to the shields, actually you can just buff it with your mana Pool or the Bastion star, but they have 0 critical/physical/magic resistance i'm right ? ( if i'm not right , just say me please , i will edit my comment)

Minno · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

I'm not posting here because I'm losing to sorcs... I'm doing it because even I'm killing them, they are unbalanced, as permablockers

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

What is wrong in what I said?

Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...

So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?

ONLY MAX MAGICA

I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.

Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.

You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.

You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.

But god forbid crit + pen isn't best at every giving opponent.

And please anlighten me how max magicka impacts magicka regeneration.

Permablocking functions on whole different mechanics. Through a mix of HA and class passives, broken ways to calculate block costs and Ultimates.

In this game everything isn't the same. Yet.

Keep being ignorant baby...
I know you like it, like every crybaby.

So what you say is that everybody should change theirs builds to be in equal to sorcs?

Alright...
You are telling me that even penetration, crits and helping debuffs, components of offensive part of every build should be ignored? And stacked to high values, more than any heal...

At the same time sorcs can keep high crit and high pen... Alright, alright... I give up...

I'm crying okay... I'm a cry baby...

Let me Save my time and stupid attempts to insult to brighten and look for hypocrites....

I didn't see you kill many shield stacking sorcs. I did see you struggle as DKs don't really have high spamable burst like sorc's/nbs. But what sorcs/nbs don't have is the ability to block or Regen resorces outside of Regen.

In the end, it comes down to CC attempts and draining a sorcs stamina. In your videos, I saw the CC early in nearly every fight. Combined with no points in shattering blows means your real opener attacks are predictable, easily negated by a mobile Sorc whose playing on your lack of range to their advantage.

Your mobilty is correct. Mist form into talons/take flight. But dual snb DK, in my opinion is outdated in this mobilty meta without a way to use snare/cost poisons from range.

New players or not, if a Sorc is beating you in that build, it's because they outplayed you. Mobility>dmg.

How many times I need to say that I'm not asking because I'm losing to sorcs? Stam nb are by far my worst nightmare, but even not perfect, they are very balanced in terms of priorities in build. If planned for offense, they are a glass Cannons, if you try to be tanky, you will have less damage, and so on. But sorcs don't.

Me and my friend just notice, as a majority of known players know too, that sorcs are overperfoming...
The true is that only adepts of shields tacking are answering here, and keep defending it...
in every response people tend to get personal and trying to see if is my build is wrong, l2p or etc... No I'm not playing magdk anymore, i can kill easyly most of mag sorcs with it, if you talk mag/stam dks I can agree with you in pointing most of broken things in the class. As I can do in all four initial classes (I don't have Wardens).

I have one of each class and play commonly with and by side of all of them. Mag sorcs are by far the most broken and unbalanced...

And no, not just because I play as a sorc I will not will defend it, like you guys are doing... As I said and will say again, like many other brokens things in eso...
Sorcs need to be fixed..
note that I don't say nerfed, but at least fixed. To be played equally to other classes in terms of trade offs for offense and defense.

I'm becoming tired of this cancerous community, everything is taken personal, just look and see. Is there for everyone, I'm not talking about permablockers, there are posts about it, I'm talking about sorcs, not me, not you... Stoping taking it personal.

If u still think that it's balanced and play as a sorc... My friend... You're really selfish.

I'm a Templar main that builds for speed. I'd rather zos gives me better mobilty than to nerf sorcs.

Here's me sticking it to a magden that was shield stacking. The only difference between shieldden and Sorc stack, is there mobilty type. I'm a terrible player, btw yet I still managed to work enough burst to win the fight.

https://youtu.be/P3Tc8QFw_WQ

What is over performing are spamable immobilze /snares, block, high stamina DMG, cost poisons, and high power creep with high mitigation creep.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

How many times I need to say that I'm not asking because I'm losing to sorcs? Stam nb are by far my worst nightmare, but even not perfect, they are very balanced in terms of priorities in build. If planned for offense, they are a glass Cannons, if you try to be tanky, you will have less damage, and so on. But sorcs don't.

Me and my friend just notice, as a majority of known players know too, that sorcs are overperfoming...
The true is that only adepts of shields tacking are answering here, and keep defending it...
in every response people tend to get personal and trying to see if is my build is wrong, l2p or etc... No I'm not playing magdk anymore, i can kill easyly most of mag sorcs with it, if you talk mag/stam dks I can agree with you in pointing most of broken things in the class. As I can do in all four initial classes (I don't have Wardens).

I have one of each class and play commonly with and by side of all of them. Mag sorcs are by far the most broken and unbalanced...

I'm becoming tired of this cancerous community, everything is taken personal, just look and see.

Ahem... You shouldn't complain about discussion etiquette when you keep spewing things like this:

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And what I think when I see all you guys that cry when we ask for needed adjustments to sorc are cheese sorcerers I suppose...

Period.

Vesper_BR wrote: »

I can see that only sorcs post here to defend like it's a religion....

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

*Facepalm...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

The true is that only adepts of shields tacking are answering here, and keep defending it...

If u still think that it's balanced and play as a sorc... My friend... You're really selfish.

And might I ask what it is now? Do you have chars on every class or not?
I'd say wardens are more of an issue than sorcs.

You said some questionable things like that penetration-thingy. That makes it hard to believe you actually have what you claim: an unbiased, knowledgeable opinion about shields.

"Problem" is, people already agreed that shieldstacking needs to change. But it seems like you have more of a problem with shields per se. Issue is also that sorcs, in their current form, would be dead meat if you take away the shields.

Also, jokes on you, not everybody who answers and "defends" shields here are maining mag sorcs.

cschwingeb14_ESO · November 2017

I think that having shields be affected by +/-% healing taken and +/-% healing done is a fine idea. Get rid of Bastion too.

Kudos to the OP for his well thought out game balance change. I always wanted an argonian sorc anyway.

F'n think it through next time

SirMewser · November 2017

I don't stack shields, I just use one but if someone else can't stack shields then you can't stack stack AoEs, DoTs, debuffs etc... Fair?
No, L2P.

Survivability methods in the sorcs toolkit;

Dark magic abilities only heal when connecting with target/damaging.
Surge only heals with critical strikes, however, DoTs are tied into; AoEs, delayed damage, and proc damage. There are no target based constants to assure this in a pvp environment (unless you stand in AoEs like a fool).
Dark Exchange only heals when in channel.
Twilight Matriarch is our most reliable heal but has to be warded (which you want to take away, anyway).
Streak is a gap opener with cost penalty, many can just spam gap closers freely.
Lightning Form provides some speed mobility, the resistance is inconsequential when warded (which you want to take away, anyway).

Sorcerer's damage shields is what ensures we get the minuscule heal over time when dealing damage or micromanaged burst heals, it allows us to spend a few seconds after applying to; sustain pressure, take risks, and time a combo.

What you are suggesting is idiotic, not only would it ruin wards but pets would be useless.

Then we may as well reallocate points into normal resistance stats and wear heavy armour, that isn't going to stop good players from being hard hitting, it would just break the viability other abilities we have, sorry cutie.

idk · November 2017

Nvm. When OP stares at all these posts of players stating they have no issues when facing a shield stacking Sorc yet OP maintains that sorcs are somehow still OP it's pointless to shed a light of reality on them.

It's merely a matter that Sorcs are OP to players who are UP. Simple as that. I guess when faced which a challenge others do not find challenging it's easier to call for a nerf and have the game brought down to your level rather than rising to the occasion.

Waffennacht · November 2017

God I love facing a sorc 1v1 now-a-days. It's not a Stam warden, or a mag warden, or a mag NB, therefore I love killing them.

Lmao sorc mostly definitely is not top dog atm

Killset · November 2017

Didgerion wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

@ZOS_Wrobel

Shields has no resistance, If you make them critable the sorcerers will have no defense.
For big shields sorcs have to stack magica instead of spell power. The damage doesn't scale up so well of magica.
A true glass canon would have small shields as you mentioned - all good here.

Also shields last 6 seconds only, they have 0 resistance - one surprise attack is removing one shield - quite balanced to me, Sorcs need 2 shield casts and NB needs 2 attacks to strip you out of shields .. except NB can go stealth 4 seconds and all hits toward him miss - much more powerful than shields .
If a NB CCs you while shieldless then you are dead and NB has ton of CC.
All NB's burst combos stun you while mag sorcs have ZERO combos that stun now.

Magica sorc is one of the weakest and less mobile class out there in cirodiil right now. Sorc does not stand a chance against a good stamina build or a good HA DK magica build both mobility wise and burst wise.

Also consider changing your build, looks like you are trying to run a crit build.
Crit builds are very weak in PVP as 100% of good players have a very high crit resistance.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on these forums in a while. Mag Sorc is one of the weakest and less mobile classes in Cyrodiil right now? LOL!!! Sorc does not stand a chance against a good stam build or a good HA DK magical build both mobility wise and burst wise? I’m honestly not sure if you are new to the game or playing an entirely different game and just posted on the wrong forums.

As for ESO, Mag Sorc is the total package right now. Mobility, damage, range, and tankiness. It’s very hard to argue otherwise.

Cinbri · November 2017

Shieldstacking is same as permablocking, should be looked at for next update.

Ender1310 · November 2017

You sophists talk a hell of a game. Mag spec has been and continues to be the most Versatile class in the game. Most main stream pvp ers that stream agree on this.

I applaud you I really do. You got the op to show vids of himself and put himself out there while you did not. Good job. Mag sorcs are truth.

Waffennacht · November 2017

Ender1310 wrote: »

You sophists talk a hell of a game. Mag spec has been and continues to be the most Versatile class in the game. Most main stream pvp ers that stream agree on this.

I applaud you I really do. You got the op to show vids of himself and put himself out there while you did not. Good job. Mag sorcs are truth.

Who still streams a mag sorc?

Insanepirate01 · November 2017

No nerfs needed. Every class has their thing dks can perma block NBs can cloak spam sorcs can shield stack, templars can purge and bol spam. If we keep nerfing what makes every class unique we're going to end up all playing the exact same class with different animations. Shield stackers can die just like anyone else. It's only the good players that make sure their shields never drop while dishing out damage. Any class can be OP with the right build but we need to stop calling for nerfs on every play style we find to be annoying or can't beat or this games just going to get more and more boring.

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Magsorc is not about max magicka, it is about regen and balance between max magicka and mag regen.

No mag regen = dead sorc.

Stacking shields is overperforming only against magicka characters.

I don’t play with harness, but as a protest against _not needed_ frag nerf I feel like I should start playing with harness and mines...

elfantasmo · November 2017

Vesper_BR wrote: »

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

@ZOS_Wrobel

My only questions to you on this boring repeat of the last 400 threads are what class do you play and what is your AR?

Vesper_BR · November 2017

elfantasmo wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

@ZOS_Wrobel

My only questions to you on this boring repeat of the last 400 threads are what class do you play and what is your AR?

Omg... I really need to prove myself to you guys?

I play on console, I'm a dk mainly, but I have sorc, stamplar and a nb (this one i keep switching from mag to Stam).

I'm 5 stars on dk,
Tribune on sorc,
Colonel in nb and Sargeant in templar I think....

If u guys want check my profile on Xbox... I don't care.

ak_pvp · November 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Make shielded players take status effects.

This is happening already?
With shields, you eat every single snare, stun and root aimed at you. Every DoT applied. Every Major Breech, poison, resource-refilling heavy attack, enchantment, and so on.
Crits are no status effect. And if you want shields to be crittable, I want them to be able to crit for 50% more strength and have armor values applied to them.

I said I don't want them critted. Would take too much damage.

Shields can't take status effects like burning, poisoned, concussed etc. Things that have a chance to proc based on damage types.

Vesper_BR · November 2017

ak_pvp wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Bro, shieldsorc's been nerfed like, five times. Shield duration, mobility, skillcosts, on an on... If you still can't beat it that's on you.

DKs, nbs, and templars have been nerfed much much more.

Honestly, since the cfrags nerf, most sorcs switched to flame reach, thus nerfing damage. Meaning sorc now have tankiness and mobility, but lower burst.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Make shielded players take status effects.

This is happening already?
With shields, you eat every single snare, stun and root aimed at you. Every DoT applied. Every Major Breech, poison, resource-refilling heavy attack, enchantment, and so on.
Crits are no status effect. And if you want shields to be crittable, I want them to be able to crit for 50% more strength and have armor values applied to them.

I said I don't want them critted. Would take too much damage.

Shields can't take status effects like burning, poisoned, concussed etc. Things that have a chance to proc based on damage types.

Interesting, as what I was looking for was a discussion about it...
I told many times, no nerfs... Just fixing adjusting or whatever... Even if they needed to be boosted. So counter play and status effects are to be considered during battle... It's bad when I see that one could apply several debuffs on a sorc and almost none of them being effective, or being not as effective as should be.

My vote is for defiling and mending.
And getting rid of bastion, maybe... Zos should have the number better.

ak_pvp · November 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics

Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...

Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??

Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...

*Facepalm...

Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...

Vesper_BR wrote: »

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

Nothing in what he said was wrong. You backed up his point that because shields scale from mag not resists, shield stackers are effectively immune to pen.