Any news about fix to shield stacking sorcs?

Vesper_BR

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

@ZOS_Wrobel

SirMewser

Because that would go well.

SydneyGrey

They're forced to wear light armor if they want to do any sort of decent DPS, so they HAVE to be able to have shields. If you get rid of their ability to use shields, then ZOS needs to give them the ability to use medium or heavy armor effectively. Instead, ZOS just nerfed heavy armor some more.

Vesper_BR

SirMewser wrote: »

Because that would go well.

I don't know what's the reason to nerf sorcerer damage output... Let the sorcerer be the glass Cannon... Bit don't let them be the KEVLAR Cannon....

Vesper_BR

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They're forced to wear light armor if they want to do any sort of decent DPS, so they HAVE to be able to have shields. If you get rid of their ability to use shields, then ZOS needs to give them the ability to use medium or heavy armor effectively. Instead, ZOS just nerfed heavy armor some more.

The big problem is the extreme mobility of streak in conjunction with shield stacking... I can only assume you play a sorc to be ok with it...

It's possible to endure more damage than most of medium and heavy armor users and still have insane ranged damage and the best mobility skill in the game... Light armor users are meant to be squishy, not tank as a rock... We are used to it because it's common on eso now... But it shouldn't be like this...
No other games have it..

Strong Damage dealers need to have it's weakness... And mag sorcs have none...

Vesper_BR

And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...

I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...

Minno

Vesper_BR wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They're forced to wear light armor if they want to do any sort of decent DPS, so they HAVE to be able to have shields. If you get rid of their ability to use shields, then ZOS needs to give them the ability to use medium or heavy armor effectively. Instead, ZOS just nerfed heavy armor some more.

The big problem is the extreme mobility of streak in conjunction with shield stacking... I can only assume you play a sorc to be ok with it...

The can endure more damage than most of medium armor users and still have insane ranged damage and the best mobility skill in the game... Light armor users are meant to be squishy not tanky... We are used to it because it's common now... But it shouldn't be...

Strong Damage dealers need to have it's weakness... And mag sorcs have none...

everyone can be somewhat tanky in pvp, shield or no shield.

The only change they need to make, is remove that nerf to petrify range. Having another class, aside from sorc and NB, that can have a cc that ignores block is good for balance, but that 8-9m range nerf was terrible!

Other change is to make crushing shock/force pulse reflective again. This way sorcs not having a spamable is actually a good drawback and lets reflects have another skill they can counter.

Otherwise, use a strong DOT and put a max of 10% into shattering blows; your DOT will do tooltip dmg on their shield+10% extra dmg and then put pressure on them to force them to make a mistake. CC on cooldown and use cost reduction poisons or crit dmg reducing poisons to really mess with their DPS.

zParallaxz

Not every light armour wearer is a magsorc. The nerf you propose affects everyone.

LittlePinkDot

Im a magsorc level 40 and dying is a constant problem. Some quests require several potions and a few soul gems just to complete. Im only using boundless storm, was not aware it could stack with conjured ward.
Maybe the reason they nerfed the damage instead of the shields is because sorcs that are still leveling can barely make it as it is. And I lile to be Solo, I have nobody to help and I dont use summons

Betsararie

How ridiculous. The class is already ruined and garbage after the frags nerf and now you just want more. You just want other classes to be unable to play, that's your goal isn't it.

Because learning to play and learning to fight against a class with MIDDLE OF THE ROAD defensive capabilities (sorc) is just too much to ask. Just too much to ask of you

Vesper_BR

Blanco wrote: »

How ridiculous. The class is already ruined and garbage after the frags nerf and now you just want more. You just want other classes to be unable to play, that's your goal isn't it.

Because learning to play and learning to fight against a class with MIDDLE OF THE ROAD defensive capabilities (sorc) is just too much to ask. Just too much to ask of you

Let us see then...

I'm a console player...
And what I think when I see all you guys that cry when we ask for needed adjustments to sorc are cheese sorcerers I suppose...

Don't come and tell me about skillplay when what I see is sorcs taking damage from 5 to 10 players for some good seconds and running away... It's not fair... See the forums. Sorcs are overpowered, not because of frags. But because of shield stacking.

Period.

Vesper_BR

Zos is losing players, day after day... And know why? Because they don't adjust what need to be fixed... Permablockers. Tank heallers, shield stackers. Etc etc...

What eso needs is a better definition of roles...
Glass cannons are supposed to exist, but like I said.... Steel Cannon sorcs don't.

SirMewser

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Zos is losing players, day after day... And know why? Because they don't adjust what need to be fixed... Permablockers. Tank heallers, shield stackers. Etc etc...

What eso needs is a better definition of roles...
Glass cannons are supposed to exist, but like I said.... Steel Cannon sorcs don't.

If people are leaving because of permablockers and all that you listed, then good, I got irritated of the silly pugs chasing around a guy that is built for survival but can't kill good players.

It's their fault for letting him stall them, they made the choice, they got fooled while the keep got flipped.
That is on the people that made the decision of following some guy for half an hour, not the person who played them out, and certainly not Zenimax.

Sucks to be tricked, but just learn.

Apache_Kid

SirMewser wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Zos is losing players, day after day... And know why? Because they don't adjust what need to be fixed... Permablockers. Tank heallers, shield stackers. Etc etc...

What eso needs is a better definition of roles...
Glass cannons are supposed to exist, but like I said.... Steel Cannon sorcs don't.

If people are leaving because of permablockers and all that you listed, then good, I got irritated of the silly pugs chasing around a guy that is built for survival but can't kill good players.

It's their fault for letting him stall them, they made the choice, they got fooled while the keep got flipped.
That is on the people that made the decision of following some guy for half an hour, not the person who played them out, and certainly not Zenimax.

Sucks to be tricked, but just learn.

What about when those permablockers are sitting on objectives in Battlegrounds? Simply walking away isn't an option or you will lose the match. How do I learn and not be "tricked" by these permablockers in objective game modes?

Sixty5

Stuff like this is why I'm switching to Stamblade.

I can run Shield Breaker without any real loss in damage, given how stupid my bases are, in order to counter sorcs, and I have an easy CC that drops block.

charley222

something fix in Combat Mechanics

RandomName123

Vesper_BR wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They're forced to wear light armor if they want to do any sort of decent DPS, so they HAVE to be able to have shields. If you get rid of their ability to use shields, then ZOS needs to give them the ability to use medium or heavy armor effectively. Instead, ZOS just nerfed heavy armor some more.

The big problem is the extreme mobility of streak in conjunction with shield stacking... I can only assume you play a sorc to be ok with it...

It's possible to endure more damage than most of medium and heavy armor users and still have insane ranged damage and the best mobility skill in the game... Light armor users are meant to be squishy, not tank as a rock... We are used to it because it's common on eso now... But it shouldn't be like this...
No other games have it..

Strong Damage dealers need to have it's weakness... And mag sorcs have none...

You are spot on! If you want the range and the DPS then you shouldn't have shields galore. It's called a glass cannon class but instead of making them out of glass, ZOS lets the cannons be made from titanium with 0 drawbacks. In fact the same stats that allows them stronger DPS allows them to have stronger defense as well. This is ZOS logic. There is no reason why shields are so strong and so easily stacked in this game... oh wait, Wrobel...

Azurya

Vesper_BR wrote: »

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

@ZOS_Wrobel

they fixed by changing the passives on heavy armour
that is their way to hanle such problems
Now we have tanks, who can´t load out some dmg, but we still have the shieldstacking sorcs

rafaelcsmaia

And then whats next? Nerf cloak because they can dodge projectiles or reset a fight? Nerf bol so templars cant heal anymore? bury DKs in the ground removing their tankiness? Seriously, this "nerf mentality" is what makes people leave, no one like to have their class destroyed because people whine.

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Ragnarock41

as a Dk Im having much bigger problems vs permacloak-perma roll- eternal hunt lameblades at the moment.
Both classes have absolutely zero sustain issues, but sorc is at least manageable.
Nbs on the other hand are disgusting.

For other classes this might be the other way around but It seems to me that a Nb can always kite a Dk, as long as he needs to. a sorc on the other hand needs to sacrifice if he wants to be a streak spammer.

I don't want to turn this class into a nerf nb thread but IF you gonna nerf shield stacking, change cloak so that dots keep hitting.
Its unfair to Dks who usually rely on dots.

GrigorijMalahevich

Yes!!!! #nerfsorc

I was playing my magsorc yesterday and fighting this stamnb... I was trying to predict where he is going to appear and the fight lasted about 5 minutes, nobody could get the upper hand, until he went in to hide and I thought he decided to leave and I turned towards another objective and he jumped out of nowhere and managed to burst me!!! NB could decide if he wants to engage or not and magsorc just waits. Why wait? Attacks from hide should strike through shields! No magician should be able to withstand an attack from behind!

P.S. no.

#Logicmuch
#Everyclasshasitsonplaystyle

Ragnarock41

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Zos is losing players, day after day... And know why? Because they don't adjust what need to be fixed... Permablockers. Tank heallers, shield stackers. Etc etc...

What eso needs is a better definition of roles...
Glass cannons are supposed to exist, but like I said.... Steel Cannon sorcs don't.

lets not forget how zos totally ruined Dk while trying to nerf permablockers in morrowind.
It ended up as a buff for them, I can't even block without sturdy gear now.

Pinja

Vesper_BR wrote: »

it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...

BRing Back my FRagS!!!

Vesper_BR

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Shields aren't counter to high burst damage... They are counter to every damage... You think it's cool to force people to change theirs sets only to have a chance against sorceres when they have power to have insane burst, consistent damage, high sustain, ranged and non critable defenses? Templars and dks can sustain damage as much as shield stackers but they don't do high burst damage... Even more with high mobility...

Yesterday we tested the insanity of shield defense and my friend lv 19 was getting 6k shields and tanking alone one 660cp player easily... That's cool? And let's see the number of damage on shield can ensure... It's almost 7k each shield (mostly 20k all together if not more) in PvP with battle Spirit....
It's more than an average ultimates can do, and one shield that cost like 2k mag...
And sorcs can stack 3 of them...
at the same time his unblockable curse is hitting like a truck and his endless fury is waiting to proc in the same gcd as implosion to hitikill.... What's the counter play? You only talk about counter sets... That IMHO shouldn't exist if the shields were well designed and not overperforming... They created sets to counter shields... Lfmao! See how ridiculous it is?

I play eso Almost every day for like 5 to 8 hours and it's noticeable the difference of power when my friends play with theirs sorceres instead of another classes... Dueling or open world cirodill... It's became more ridiculous when I'm seeing almost 80% of my guild rolling sorcs to be competitive in PvP and pve... Due to the unbalanced distance in power to other classes....

Eso has its problems, everybody knows... Some persist for short time, other for more... But shielding has been around enough time to be addressed don't you think?

OdinForge

Wahhh..when i zerg a sorc they should just get stuck in one spot and die, so i don't have to make actual effort.

Wahhh..when i dot up a nb and he does the only thing his class enables him to do in order to survive, it's frustrating because I can't insta-nuke him while also being more tanky.

Let's make it so that NB only functions as a ganker, if they engage and don't kill their target in 1-2 hits they should be free AP.

Let's make it so that sorcs are literal free AP, the thing about sorcs is they can streak and run around dark dealing which is cool.

This gameee

Minno

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

And then whats next? Nerf cloak because they can dodge projectiles or reset a fight? Nerf bol so templars cant heal anymore? bury DKs in the ground removing their tankiness? Seriously, this "nerf mentality" is what makes people leave, no one like to have their class destroyed because people whine.

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Yes you can be a DMG class without those sets, its called using a cc right when his shield is about to expire. If you YOLO on the cc attempt, then the Sorc decides when he can put up his shield.

Templars have a unique cc ability which, if you can catch the Sorc with his pants down, will do unblocked reflect DMG that count as a dot against his shield (5000 a pop) with another 5k after 4 seconds. With puryfing light, you'll have another burst after 6 seconds assuming the Sorc didn't go full YOLO when you cast unstable core, and you will have put pressure on the Sorc.

Don't believe me?
https://youtu.be/ZSRqw7w09zo


I really don't understand how anyone can still have issues with sorcs in 2017; I'm a terrible player and even I feel they are killable.

Pinja

Vesper_BR wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Shields aren't counter to high burst damage... They are counter to every damage... You think it's cool to force people to change theirs sets only to have a chance against sorceres when they have power to have insane burst, consistent damage, high sustain, ranged and non critable defenses? Templars and dks can sustain damage as much as shield stackers but they don't do high burst damage... Even more with high mobility...

Yesterday we tested the insanity of shield defense and my friend lv 19 was getting 6k shields and tanking alone one 660cp player easily... That's cool? And let's see the number of damage on shield can ensure... It's almost 7k each shield (mostly 20k all together if not more) in PvP with battle Spirit....
It's more than an average ultimates can do, and one shield that cost like 2k mag...
And sorcs can stack 3 of them...
at the same time his unblockable curse is hitting like a truck and his endless fury is waiting to proc in the same gcd as implosion to hitikill.... What's the counter play? You only talk about counter sets... That IMHO shouldn't exist if the shields were well designed and not overperforming... They created sets to counter shields... Lfmao! See how ridiculous it is?

I play eso Almost every day for like 5 to 8 hours and it's noticeable the difference of power when my friends play with theirs sorceres instead of another classes... Dueling or open world cirodill... It's became more ridiculous when I'm seeing almost 80% of my guild rolling sorcs to be competitive in PvP and pve... Due to the unbalanced distance in power to other classes....

Eso has its problems, everybody knows... Some persist for short time, other for more... But shielding has been around enough time to be addressed don't you think?

Templars can do the same burst in the same time it's just spread out across the time. Were a sorc burst will hit you all on the 3rd-4th second a templars burst will hit you across the 4-6 seconds. With the... change you now a have ample opportunity to respond to the 3rd-4th second burst, even if you miss the clear & obvious block timing of the the 3rd second which will block the curse damage. Best way to counter a shield is to slot a stun, while their are kite builds all forms of shields are manageable.
Give me back my crystal. Curse Nightblades.

Vesper_BR

Bad sorcs are killable.. off course they are...
Like any other classes... But being killable it's not the same as balanced...
I've dueled and fought sorcs with my stam dk and mag dk... They are by far the most unbalanced class and hard to defeat... There's no trade off from offense to defense... That's.the problem... They can keep pressuring you even while taking insane damage... NBS can cloack but they can be taken if u slot detection pots... That's counter play that every player has access... Shield break aren't...

Stop shield stacking and sdjust it's values or make them critable... Problem solved

rafaelcsmaia

Vesper_BR wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Shields aren't counter to high burst damage... They are counter to every damage... You think it's cool to force people to change theirs sets only to have a chance against sorceres when they have power to have insane burst, consistent damage, high sustain, ranged and non critable defenses? Templars and dks can sustain damage as much as shield stackers but they don't do high burst damage... Even more with high mobility...

Yesterday we tested the insanity of shield defense and my friend lv 19 was getting 6k shields and tanking alone one 660cp player easily... That's cool? And let's see the number of damage on shield can ensure... It's almost 7k each shield (mostly 20k all together if not more) in PvP with battle Spirit....
It's more than an average ultimates can do, and one shield that cost like 2k mag...
And sorcs can stack 3 of them...
at the same time his unblockable curse is hitting like a truck and his endless fury is waiting to proc in the same gcd as implosion to hitikill.... What's the counter play? You only talk about counter sets... That IMHO shouldn't exist if the shields were well designed and not overperforming... They created sets to counter shields... Lfmao! See how ridiculous it is?

I play eso Almost every day for like 5 to 8 hours and it's noticeable the difference of power when my friends play with theirs sorceres instead of another classes... Dueling or open world cirodill... It's became more ridiculous when I'm seeing almost 80% of my guild rolling sorcs to be competitive in PvP and pve... Due to the unbalanced distance in power to other classes....

Eso has its problems, everybody knows... Some persist for short time, other for more... But shielding has been around enough time to be addressed don't you think?

Of course if you keep spamming shields you wont die, if you go full block or full heal is the same, its an mmo, sets counter sets and skills, have you played a sorc against unstable core? I did, its utterly pathetic, but i dont come crying in the forums asking for nerfs, classes will always have advantages and disadvantages against one another, if you want true balance, duel against the same class, same spec, and of course, naked, there you go, perfect balance.

Vesper_BR

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Any magicka class can stack 2 shields, and yes it is not hard to counter shield stacking, oblivion damage, shield breaker, knight slayer. You just cant wear shield destroying build and expect to perform well against non shield people, thats the way it is, its called "counter play", its no ones fault you wanna go yolo and play regular damage against shields and expect an easy life, the shield is the counterplay for you mega burst damage.

Shields aren't counter to high burst damage... They are counter to every damage... You think it's cool to force people to change theirs sets only to have a chance against sorceres when they have power to have insane burst, consistent damage, high sustain, ranged and non critable defenses? Templars and dks can sustain damage as much as shield stackers but they don't do high burst damage... Even more with high mobility...

Yesterday we tested the insanity of shield defense and my friend lv 19 was getting 6k shields and tanking alone one 660cp player easily... That's cool? And let's see the number of damage on shield can ensure... It's almost 7k each shield (mostly 20k all together if not more) in PvP with battle Spirit....
It's more than an average ultimates can do, and one shield that cost like 2k mag...
And sorcs can stack 3 of them...
at the same time his unblockable curse is hitting like a truck and his endless fury is waiting to proc in the same gcd as implosion to hitikill.... What's the counter play? You only talk about counter sets... That IMHO shouldn't exist if the shields were well designed and not overperforming... They created sets to counter shields... Lfmao! See how ridiculous it is?

I play eso Almost every day for like 5 to 8 hours and it's noticeable the difference of power when my friends play with theirs sorceres instead of another classes... Dueling or open world cirodill... It's became more ridiculous when I'm seeing almost 80% of my guild rolling sorcs to be competitive in PvP and pve... Due to the unbalanced distance in power to other classes....

Eso has its problems, everybody knows... Some persist for short time, other for more... But shielding has been around enough time to be addressed don't you think?

Of course if you keep spamming shields you wont die, if you go full block or full heal is the same, its an mmo, sets counter sets and skills, have you played a sorc against unstable core? I did, its utterly pathetic, but i dont come crying in the forums asking for nerfs, classes will always have advantages and disadvantages against one another, if you want true balance, duel against the same class, same spec, and of course, naked, there you go, perfect balance.

Okay now.. with this I can only assume you agreed with me. There's no argument to defend it...
Thanks!

Erraln

Bro, shieldsorc's been nerfed like, five times. Shield duration, mobility, skillcosts, on an on... If you still can't beat it that's on you.